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[CrazyRah]

TheChris92 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't like Ash's new hair. It's all in her eyes. How is she supposed to get all those head shots? I like this concept art better. It's a fresh new Ash, but not foreign enough to be called "out of character". I wish they used this instead.




Just my $0.02

I like that pic. Ash's hair would look good with that kind of a ponytail.

I so agree, that pic is awesome and Ash really look amazing in a ponytail

[TheChris92]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

^ Provided it doesn't obscure her vision in combat or prevent her from wearing a sealed helmet in hostile environments.

It'll probably be like in Dragon Age. The hair will put in a bun or something, so it won't get in her eyes when wearing a helmet during combat. Provided that she does get one I suppose.

Modifié par TheChris92, 24 septembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[ADLegend21]

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't like Ash's new hair. It's all in her eyes. How is she supposed to get all those head shots? I like this concept art better. It's a fresh new Ash, but not foreign enough to be called "out of character". I wish they used this instead.




Just my $0.02

That's fan art not concept art. It's be Deelane on deviantart

Link

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Sepewrath wrote...

And what should a video game be? If we're talking about "realism" again, then no more alien LI's, no Reapers, no Mass Relays, no Mass Effect. A video game is about entertainment, the point is that its NOT burdened by reality, that's why Shepard can date blue women and giant cuttlebones. That's why Shepard will win an impossible war against giant death machines from the great beyond. That is why everyone in the universe wants to have sex with Shepard, the moment they glance at them.

So yes it is "just" a video game and that's all it needs to be. And by the laws of video games, entertainment and fiction in general, you can look however the hell you want and it doesn't make the least bit of difference. That is why Tarzan can fight Gorilla's in a lioncloth, that's why Two Face can have acid throw in his face and it only makes him half ugly. And that's why Ashley can have a hairstyle like this.

You're
forgetting that any work of fiction is subject to criticism. Video games
can also be viewed as an art form; hell, that's what the industry wants
the world to believe.

It's the reason why movies like the Star Wars Prequels, Transformers and Avatar are judged so harshly;
they're judged not solely for their entertainment value, but also for
their construction and their relevance in the medium as art. Your
perspective falls in line with the average movie goer; they couldn't
care less about movies as long as they are entertained by them. I doubt the average gamer would care about the series' continuity or shift in art direction, but it does matter nevertheless.

And, seriously. Tarzan? Why not use Curious George as an example of why "realism" or "verisimilitude" aren't needed in fiction? You obviously don't understand why those things are needed in a fictional world like Mass Effect if you're seriously questioning their importance in entertainment.

Silly, silly person.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 24 septembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[cactusberry]

I don't like Ash's new hair, personally. It feels too.. Casual. I don't see her like that.

[Iakus]

ADLegend21 wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I don't like Ash's new hair. It's all in her eyes. How is she supposed to get all those head shots? I like this concept art better. It's a fresh new Ash, but not foreign enough to be called "out of character". I wish they used this instead.




Just my $0.02

That's fan art not concept art. It's be Deelane on deviantart

Link

A pity.  Slap a couple of plates on the torso and it would be perfect.

[Iakus]

jreezy wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

monrapias wrote...

I can't believe that people care so much about her hair. (except for the female members here)

It's just hair.

But it isn't just hair; it's her personality.

Sorry but it is just hair. Making assumptions of someone's personality based on their appearance seems pretty shallow.

Video games are a visual medium.  To an extent, how characters appear reflects who they are.  Especially with Bioware's "iconic looks" fascination.  

Ashley was a practical, hard nosed soldier.  Simple, direct, uncompromising.  Her appearance (well except for the coloration of the armor) reflected this.  Hair in a bun.  Nice solid armor and a big gun.  

The hair flies in the face of that.  Literally.  It's not that the hair is long, or that it's worn down.  Or even if it's worn that way casually.  It's that it's flying around loose like "Renegon brand shampoo and conditioner" commercial.  As seen in that demo, it obscures half her face.  This is neither practical nor professional.  It is not Ash.  

And it's not just hair.

[Iakus]

A pity that a single screenshot or piece of concept art would answer all questions right now.

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

jreezy wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

monrapias wrote...

I can't believe that people care so much about her hair. (except for the female members here)

It's just hair.

But it isn't just hair; it's her personality.

Sorry but it is just hair. Making assumptions of someone's personality based on their appearance seems pretty shallow.

Video games are a visual medium.  To an extent, how characters appear reflects who they are.  Especially with Bioware's "iconic looks" fascination.  

Ashley was a practical, hard nosed soldier.  Simple, direct, uncompromising.  Her appearance (well except for the coloration of the armor) reflected this.  Hair in a bun.  Nice solid armor and a big gun.  

The hair flies in the face of that.  Literally.  It's not that the hair is long, or that it's worn down.  Or even if it's worn that way casually.  It's that it's flying around loose like "Renegon brand shampoo and conditioner" commercial.  As seen in that demo, it obscures half her face.  This is neither practical nor professional.  It is not Ash.  

And it's not just hair.

I look at Ash as a woman, and women change their appearance all the time, dependent on their moods and what they're going through in life. So I have no problem with her changing her appearance.

[Iakus]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I look at Ash as a woman, and women change their appearance all the time, dependent on their moods and what they're going through in life. So I have no problem with her changing her appearance.

Well, then I can't wait for Miranda to appear in ME3 in Blood Dragon armor.  Complete with nonremovable helmet 

But seriously.  I have said over and over I dont mind her changing her appearace as a casual look.  But when she's fighting for her life, looking pretty should be a secondary concern.  Hair blowing in her eye would get her and/or others killed.  Women (and men) change their looks.  But Ash is also a professional soldier.  I highly doubt that's changed

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I look at Ash as a woman, and women change their appearance all the time, dependent on their moods and what they're going through in life. So I have no problem with her changing her appearance.

Well, then I can't wait for Miranda to appear in ME3 in Blood Dragon armor.  Complete with nonremovable helmet 

But seriously.  I have said over and over I dont mind her changing her appearace as a casual look.  But when she's fighting for her life, looking pretty should be a secondary concern.  Hair blowing in her eye would get her and/or others killed.  Women (and men) change their looks.  But Ash is also a professional soldier.  I highly doubt that's changed

Well I'm going to enjoy looking at her while we kill Reapers, you have fun being unhappy about something that's not important. 

[Iakus]

Almostfaceman wrote...
Well I'm going to enjoy looking at her while we kill Reapers, you have fun being unhappy about something that's not important. 

Thank you for that instruction on what I should and should not find important in my games.

[Nashiktal]

sponge56 wrote...


And the sky might fall tomorrow.  Sorry, im trivilising what you said but I honestly don't believe that they would change Ashley's character.  The only character they actually ever changed was Liara, and they addressed that in LoTSB and provided a good reason for this change.  Ashley may even look different in Battle

Maybe not on purpose, but ASHLEYS WRITER LEFT. Which means they have a new writer assigned to her. That writer probably won't purposely changer her character, but has the writer played the games, or at least watched the cutscenes and read all the lines she has said? 

Even then, the writer will probably put his/her own spin on her. Despit how she acted before, a new writer is bringing a different perspective, which while not bad for a new character can be disasterous to a recurrent one.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 25 septembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[Nashiktal]

Almostfaceman wrote...

iakus wrote...

jreezy wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

monrapias wrote...

I can't believe that people care so much about her hair. (except for the female members here)

It's just hair.

But it isn't just hair; it's her personality.

Sorry but it is just hair. Making assumptions of someone's personality based on their appearance seems pretty shallow.

Video games are a visual medium.  To an extent, how characters appear reflects who they are.  Especially with Bioware's "iconic looks" fascination.  

Ashley was a practical, hard nosed soldier.  Simple, direct, uncompromising.  Her appearance (well except for the coloration of the armor) reflected this.  Hair in a bun.  Nice solid armor and a big gun.  

The hair flies in the face of that.  Literally.  It's not that the hair is long, or that it's worn down.  Or even if it's worn that way casually.  It's that it's flying around loose like "Renegon brand shampoo and conditioner" commercial.  As seen in that demo, it obscures half her face.  This is neither practical nor professional.  It is not Ash.  

And it's not just hair.

I look at Ash as a woman, and women change their appearance all the time, dependent on their moods and what they're going through in life. So I have no problem with her changing her appearance.

Don't know too many soldiers do you?

[KBomb]

Exposed cleavage, garters, high heels, barbies and harlots? Lol This thread is the epitome of exaggerations and ridiculousness.

[Almostfaceman]

iakus wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...
Well I'm going to enjoy looking at her while we kill Reapers, you have fun being unhappy about something that's not important. 

Thank you for that instruction on what I should and should not find important in my games.

You're welcome, you'll find yourself complaining a lot less.

[Nashiktal]

So depth perception problems instead?

[Xeranx]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Ah yes, the "realism" fallacy. I'm not asking for realism or for ME to be hard science fiction (which it never was). What I am asking for is verisimilitude. ME1 had it. ME2 on the other hand, had... space-spandex, tactical heels, and bra-belts. Fun fun.

And no, ridiculous comic-book outfits are nowhere on the same level as faster-than-light travel or million year old sapient kilometer-long genocidal warships. Can't believe people actually still use that as an argument.

Just want to add to that the ridiculousness of the heels though I agree with everything in the bold especially.  I was playing through the suicide mission when we get to the human reaper.  I had Tali and Morinth with me.  When the platforms started to fall, Tali takes a tumble and Morinth's left trying to get her balance.  I remember noticing her heels and thinking her ankles should have been severely twisted after that event.  Both of them.

The ridiculousness of these things diminishes the narrative.  Everything is a part of it.  Like it was referenced before I knew who Jack was before I had a chance to play the game.  I knew what she was supposed to represent, and I knew what the end result would most likely be for her character.  The looks of characters in a video game are done to tell us something.  It's part of the narrative.  Everything from dialogue to aesthetics.  Impracticality on a character written to embody practicality (with zeal no less) speaks volumes about where they might be taking said character.  In this case it's Ashley.

[Sepewrath]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...
You're
forgetting that any work of fiction is subject to criticism. Video games
can also be viewed as an art form; hell, that's what the industry wants
the world to believe.

It's the reason why movies like the Star Wars Prequels, Transformers and Avatar are judged so harshly;
they're judged not solely for their entertainment value, but also for
their construction and their relevance in the medium as art. Your
perspective falls in line with the average movie goer; they couldn't
care less about movies as long as they are entertained by them. I doubt the average gamer would care about the series' continuity or shift in art direction, but it does matter nevertheless.

And, seriously. Tarzan? Why not use Curious George as an example of why "realism" or "verisimilitude" aren't needed in fiction? You obviously don't understand why those things are needed in a fictional world like Mass Effect if you're seriously questioning their importance in entertainment.

Silly, silly person.

Is this a joke? It must be if you think realism is necessary in a game, particularly a game where nothing is realistic. Its like demanding that Mario Kart has realistic physics, because destroying karts with green shells and bananna peels oozes realism. Here's a dose of reality, not all games are going to be art(particularly with the pigeonholed view of what is considered art), most are just for entertainment. But games that you want to call art, are not required to be realistic and their not realistic. And guess what, Mass Effect would definitely be out and its not because of Ashley's hair.

So by your own definition, you are excluding it from ever being relevant as art, so what difference does anything else make now? Realism is not needed in fiction and it can still be relevant as artistic expression in the medium. If you really believe that realism is necessary, well you just doomed the whole game industry from ever being considered art. And to that all i I can is

silly, silly person.

[VelvetStraitjacket]

KBomb wrote...

Exposed cleavage, garters, high heels, barbies and harlots? Lol This thread is the epitome of exaggerations and ridiculousness.

No. This whole forum is the epitome of exaggerations and ridiculousness. There were 10 threads complaining about FemShep's hair color when the blonde version won, not to mention the 20 threads ****ing about Ashley's new "sexualized" look.

You guys think Ashley is sexualized? Take a look at this...


Now that is a sexualized female character. Huge ass ****** with cleavage going down to her bellybutton. Not to mention that her eyes are completly covered by her hair...and you people call Ashley's look impractical. Now don't get me wrong, I'm gay to the bone and all but I still don't mind sexualized females and I would rather have a chick that looks good on my team than a realistic, covered up one. It may sound shallow, but this is BSN, where people judge characters by their look all the time....remember all the Jack hate threads? Or how about the James ones? Oh, or when people called Blonde FemShep a stupid blonde and a barbie. 
In my opinon, Ashley is still respectable. I just think that she found her feminine side  

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:00 .