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[simonsteele]

I remember being laughed out of the water by some bioware dude around here back when I suggested the W2 might be better than the upcoming Dragon Age 2 game.

But now that time has passed I think it's a universal acknowledgement by lovers of the RPG that not only is the Witcher 2 better, but Dragon Age 2 is awful.

I just picked the game up last week to give it a try (Blockbuster sends games through the mail now!), and Dragon Age 2 is about as bad as it gets. The graphics are worse, the story jumps around and doesn't feel at all epic, and the characters are boring. Bland. Poorly modeled, poorly acted, and overall just poor.

I feel bad saying these things as looking back I really did like many aspects of Origins. I think all I really disliked about that game were some of the insanely long dungeon crawls, but even then, I think I'll go back and play it.

The Witcher 2 on the other hand is a phenomenal game through its character development, great story, and the continual improvement of choice. Geralt is far more interesting than Hawke, of course Geralt was created by a novelist, a writer with a lot of talent, so it is probably hard to compete in that department.

I just can't understand how Dragon Age 2 fell so far down...except that it was a rush job maybe. Oh well, at least I didn't buy it.

[addiction21]

Go away

[Melca36]

You do realize these posts do not encourage people to buy the game, it does the opposite because you're trolling.

Expect this post to be locked

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simonsteele wrote...

I remember being laughed out of the water by some bioware dude around here back when I suggested the W2 might be better than the upcoming Dragon Age 2 game.

yeah i remember people thinking it would average a 9.5 review rating

[simonsteele]

It's not a trolling post, it's a valid question. Bioware has a long history of quality games, including the original Dragon Age Origins. I personally find it very interesting that such a new company as the one that created the Witcher was able to outdo Dragon Age 2 so handily.

But I digress. I know there are plenty of Bioware fans here, and you do not appreciate hearing bad things about the company.

I think they have taken a stance of charging as much money as possible for every aspect of their games, and it has hurt the quality immensley. I never played the Baldur's Gate series until this last year just to see what all the fuss what about, and there is no doubt a powerful quality to those games. A love of game creation behind those game. I think Dragon Age 2 feels almost soulless in comparison.

[Zanallen]

The Witcher 2 being better than Dragon Age 2 is subjective and not a universal truth. That being said, I would say that the main reason the Witcher 2 may have been better than DA2 is development time. The Witcher 2 had several years of development while Dragon Age 2 had only eighteen months or so.

[Satyricon331]

Zanallen wrote...
The Witcher 2 being better than Dragon Age 2 is subjective and not a universal truth. That being said, I would say that the main reason the Witcher 2 may have been better than DA2 is development time. The Witcher 2 had several years of development while Dragon Age 2 had only eighteen months or so.

I'd agree here.  I'd also say that another issue I think might be causing a bunch of the reaction is that TW2 (seemingly) tried to take its setting seriously, whereas DA2 stepped back from that, at least a bit.  I think DA2 had some very severe gameplay-story segregation and a lot of people (including me) viewed some of the art and animations as generating undue art-story segregation.  There's always going to be some such segregation (even on holodecks!) but DA2 had really unfortunate amounts.

But now I feel like I've posted this post several dozen times... 

[dreadpiratesnugglecakes]

simonsteele wrote...

It's not a trolling post, it's a valid question. Bioware has a long history of quality games, including the original Dragon Age Origins. I personally find it very interesting that such a new company as the one that created the Witcher was able to outdo Dragon Age 2 so handily.

But I digress. I know there are plenty of Bioware fans here, and you do not appreciate hearing bad things about the company.

I think they have taken a stance of charging as much money as possible for every aspect of their games, and it has hurt the quality immensley. I never played the Baldur's Gate series until this last year just to see what all the fuss what about, and there is no doubt a powerful quality to those games. A love of game creation behind those game. I think Dragon Age 2 feels almost soulless in comparison.

I wasn't going to touch this thread thinking it would get locked but I do agree with your last point.  Baldur's Gate, BGII and Planescape Torment, even with the dated graphics remain magnificent RPG games.  DA2 actually bored me; I wanted it to end because I was sick of so many aspects of it.  Normally, I want my games to be long; to continue the story; I hate for them to end; then I turn around and replay them.  DA2 was the first Bioware game that bored me; and I have no desire to go back and try it out.  Part of the reason is I felt no draw to the characters; Varric and Aveline were the only 2 that didn't make me want to vomit.  The rest of them I could have happily let Anders lock in the chantry and burn to death with the orphans.  It didn't feel like a Bioware game at all.

[Nadia]

I don't really like Witcher or Witcher 2 even remotely as much as I adore Dragon Age 2 for many reasons, so this is a very subjective thing. The title of this topic isn't appropriate in my opinion.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

Sex.

Sex in Witcher 2 is far superior, and THAT made it far better game. Its probably best made sex in any game to this date. (besides the fantastic story, insane graphic details, gorgeous music and perfect voice acting(EN version) )

However it too has its own problems which the starter of this post fail to point out. The 3rd act of game was cut short, and even the overall length of the game is about as half as Dragon Age 2. It also suffers from many bugs and that "push the button" events might not be to everyone's liking, as instead of mind it tests your reflexes.

And because of all this it still won`t beat Planescape:Torment, but it did came close - a year of development up to what it took and it could have being King of RPGs.

[Johnny20]

Dragon Age 2 was rushed out. It shows. I've not played the Witcher 2 so cannot comment on whats better. Either way, everyone has a different opinion.

[xkg]

TW2 development time was around 2.5 years (that include making the entire new game engine from the scratch).
In 1.5 years BW couldn't even make enough areas for their game so there is no comparison here.
Not to mention outdated DA2 graphics.

Besides looking at critics and players overal reception ... well no comments.

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
the overall length of the game is about as half as Dragon Age 2.

LMAO you must be joking right ? hahaha

[Firky]

I loved both games.

It's probably not quite this simple, but ... The Witcher 2 conformed more closely to old RPG style conventions, whereas DAII tried to find solutions to old problems, with arguable success/lack of.

Like, in Witcher 2 you could totally fill your backpack with reams of pink cloth and never actually use it, which is totally RPG. In DAII, you find a crafting reagent once and you can use it, easily, from Hawke's house or whatever, whenever you want to buy the stuff made from it, much of which you are likely to need, like elfroot potions.

The Witcher 2 had many, many little niggles for me. (And, IMO, it was no Witcher 1.) But gamers can forgive a lot when the right buttons are pushed, largely choice/consequence both in narrative and gameplay - and RPG stuff like a backpack full of (often) useless items - but choice! Also, Witcher 2s gfx really were great, the quests were structured well and the world was a fun place to explore.

I don't think Witcher 2 was "better" but it was more closely aligned with the RPG gamer in me. DAII was easier to love, for me, and had some amazing story moments and punishing combat. (I do like getting my ass kicked.)

[Matchy Pointy]

I'm not aware that it was better, since I personally had more fun with DA2 then I had with TW2.

[billy the squid]

Short development time combined with some very dubious design choices which were not well recieved by a lot of people, hamstrung DA2. TW2 had time, the engine was entirely new and by and large it gave people a treat with storylines, lore and characters, which grabbed people's attention.

DA2, I thought to be decidedly mediocre, it had its good points, but really, I either disliked it or was simply indifferent to it. A shame really.

[Krusty84]

Much better world and setting and true european flavor.

Modifié par Krusty84, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Sinmara]

I agree with Dali - dont compare, just enjoy the differences. differences are wonderful.
I guess, BW will do some things better in DA3, but I had my fun with DA2 - and with TW.

[goandkissurmuthersbehind]

simonsteele wrote...
I think they have taken a stance of charging as much money as possible...
...A love of game creation behind those game. I think Dragon Age 2 feels almost soulless in comparison.

truth

[Gibb_Shepard]

Dalira Montanti wrote...

wish people would stop compering the two games though, they are totally diffrent style of rpg games, its like trying to compare a tomatoe with a peanut

The only difference between the two is companion based combat.

Seeing as they both share nearly all the basic RPG concepts, they are compared frequently with good reason.

[Ulathar]

simonsteele wrote...
But now that time has passed I think it's a universal acknowledgement by lovers of the RPG that not only is the Witcher 2 better, but Dragon Age 2 is awful.

I love RPGs and I enjoy playing both games and I think both games are good. They take very different approaches in various parts so comparing them only works to an extent anyways. If you think one game is better than the other or that a game was awful, that's fine, but please don't go out and say your opinion is shared by everyone, because it's not.

[furryrage59]

Zanallen wrote...

The Witcher 2 being better than Dragon Age 2 is subjective and not a universal truth. That being said, I would say that the main reason the Witcher 2 may have been better than DA2 is development time. The Witcher 2 had several years of development while Dragon Age 2 had only eighteen months or so.

Agree with this.

Although it's very, very hard not to view TW2 as better in all areas.

[Chaos Lord Malek]

xkg wrote...

Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
the overall length of the game is about as half as Dragon Age 2.

LMAO you must be joking right ? hahaha

I finished it around 25-26 hours with Troll Trouble DLC too. And Dragon Age 2 with Sebastian and BE DLCs took around 45-50 hours.

And before you ask - no i did`t used guides or cheat, i never do.