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[TheAwesomologist]

First off, Kudos to David Gaider for being cool and chatting with this gal while on his vacation. Obvious fan girl but I've noticed that my female friends enjoyed DA2 more than I did. Not sure what that says about the game. Probably nothing.

Second, my conversation wouldn't have been as fan friendly ;-)

A few points of my own:
1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

2) Cool info on Malcolm. Pity more of that wasn't in game.

3) Meredith I never cared for because we didn't have much time to do much with her. For much of acts 1 & 2 she's merely painted as a fanatical tyrant. When we do meet her it's hard to see otherwise. When we fight her we come to realize that she's a fanatical tyrant driven mad by lyrium! Once again not sure what the draw to her character is.

Everything else was about the male NPC's and such. The only male NPC's I liked in the game were my hawke and Varric. Legacy let me like Carver a bit more.

So again kudos to DG for stopping in and making a fangirl's day but not much here to really chew on.

[happy_daiz]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Whats the obsession with Cullen?

He's eye candy. 

[Miashi]

Was a good read. Thanks for sharing.

The Carth Onasi / Burt Reynolds part made me lol.
No. Wai!

Modifié par Miashi, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[ladyofpayne]

So sad than Nath wasn't in DA 2. But may be in DA 3 he will?:happy:
So, Fenris become mad. I knew that choose Anders was right descision.
So sad that DG can't to put in game normal mages. :crying:And templar's line. DG really need to become a gamedesigner- DA 3 will be the greatest game ever.
And I hope we will see Starheaven in next DLC or addon.
About romances I laufted- DG is very funny man.
 

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:55 .

[Foolsfolly]

1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

Just for myself, I thought he was a bit of a ****** in the first game. In the second I held that same belief for much of my time in Kirkwall. But he's not so blind. He doesn't rape, torture, or murder mages. He sees the madness in Meredith and even talks to Hawke about it. And in the end, perhaps too late for some people's tastes, he says enough is enough and stands against Meredith.

That makes him the most rational Templar this side of Alistair. He's a good man, conflicted, but a hero in the end. That makes him a good guy in my opinion. And I like him because of that.

I hope he doesn't come back too angsty. I hope he's just learned from these years as a Templar. My hope being he's more independent and more of a leader. That he no longer believes all mages are good, and he no longer believes all Templars are good. He's seen abuse from both sides of the argument and now he has perspective few others have for it.

A growth of character. Not just whining and 'Oh woe is me' stuff. I actually see the guy becoming a Companion for a future Protagonist. A seasoned slightly disillusioned Templar voiced by Greg Ellis would be a great companion.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Nethalf]

happy_daiz wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Whats the obsession with Cullen?

He's eye candy. 

Don't. Don't start this girly-madness in that thread.

Actually, DG had spoken about this... extremely the maddest madness of all kind of madness. 

[Dave of Canada]

Foolsfolly wrote...

A growth of character. Not just whining and 'Oh woe is me' stuff. I actually see the guy becoming a Companion for a future Protagonist. A seasoned slightly disillusioned Templar voiced by Greg Ellis would be a great companion.

Could also work with the Mage / Templar war, as he'd be capable of leaning on both sides due to his disillusionment.

[ladyofpayne]

I wish to invite mr DG on lunch. I could to spek with him near the famousets russian meal- soupe named "борщ". And give him so famous toy "матрешку" and hat named "шапка-ушанка". I even can play on blalaika.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 27 septembre 2011 - 02:54 .

[ladyofpayne]

And still don't like Isabela. But very love Aveline.

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 27 septembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[Addai]

TheAwesomologist wrote...
A few points of my own:
1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

Good question.  I'm confused as well.

3) Meredith I never cared for because we didn't have much time to do much with her. For much of acts 1 & 2 she's merely painted as a fanatical tyrant. When we do meet her it's hard to see otherwise. When we fight her we come to realize that she's a fanatical tyrant driven mad by lyrium! Once again not sure what the draw to her character is.

Yes, unfortunate.

[TheAwesomologist]

Foolsfolly wrote...

1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

Just for myself, I thought he was a bit of a ****** in the first game. In the second I held that same belief for much of my time in Kirkwall. But he's not so blind. He doesn't rape, torture, or murder mages. He sees the madness in Meredith and even talks to Hawke about it. And in the end, perhaps too late for some people's tastes, he says enough is enough and stands against Meredith.

That makes him the most rational Templar this side of Alistair. He's a good man, conflicted, but a hero in the end. That makes him a good guy in my opinion. And I like him because of that.

I hope he doesn't come back too angsty. I hope he's just learned from these years as a Templar. My hope being he's more independent and more of a leader. That he no longer believes all mages are good, and he no longer believes all Templars are good. He's seen abuse from both sides of the argument and now he has perspective few others have for it.

A growth of character. Not just whining and 'Oh woe is me' stuff. I actually see the guy becoming a Companion for a future Protagonist. A seasoned slightly disillusioned Templar voiced by Greg Ellis would be a great companion.

Did we have any sane companions in DA2 besides Aveline and Varric? Dog? Yeah, i coud totally buy into a templar character who is rightfully fearful of Mages but also understands that some of the fault lies with the Templar order.

I just don't see that kind of character development coming. If DA2 was any sign, all good templars will die and all mages are psychotic bloodmages or just stupid.

For me though Cullen just acted too late, even if you side with the Templars. His character is just a missed opportunity. 

[happy_daiz]

Nethalf wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Whats the obsession with Cullen?

He's eye candy. 

Don't. Don't start this girly-madness in that thread.

Actually, DG had spoken about this... extremely the maddest madness of all kind of madness. 

Honestly, he was a cutie patootie in DA2, but I only brought up the point as being the reason for all the new-found Cullen love. Like Gaider said, he ended up being quite attractive (the quite is my own descriptor); and add to that DAA Anders voice, and you've got a fangirl's dream. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but it opened up the possibilities in peoples' minds for another LI. He's nice to look at, has morals, and seems to have grown from DAO.

I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[maxernst]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

Just for myself, I thought he was a bit of a ****** in the first game. In the second I held that same belief for much of my time in Kirkwall. But he's not so blind. He doesn't rape, torture, or murder mages. He sees the madness in Meredith and even talks to Hawke about it. And in the end, perhaps too late for some people's tastes, he says enough is enough and stands against Meredith.

That makes him the most rational Templar this side of Alistair. He's a good man, conflicted, but a hero in the end. That makes him a good guy in my opinion. And I like him because of that.

I hope he doesn't come back too angsty. I hope he's just learned from these years as a Templar. My hope being he's more independent and more of a leader. That he no longer believes all mages are good, and he no longer believes all Templars are good. He's seen abuse from both sides of the argument and now he has perspective few others have for it.

A growth of character. Not just whining and 'Oh woe is me' stuff. I actually see the guy becoming a Companion for a future Protagonist. A seasoned slightly disillusioned Templar voiced by Greg Ellis would be a great companion.

Did we have any sane companions in DA2 besides Aveline and Varric? Dog? Yeah, i coud totally buy into a templar character who is rightfully fearful of Mages but also understands that some of the fault lies with the Templar order.

I just don't see that kind of character development coming. If DA2 was any sign, all good templars will die and all mages are psychotic bloodmages or just stupid.

For me though Cullen just acted too late, even if you side with the Templars. His character is just a missed opportunity. 

I realize a lot of people don't like Isabela, but she's far from crazy.  As for Cullen, I've never really seen it.  I view Thrask as DA2's tragic hero.  Cullen is one of the three people (Hawke and Elthina are the other two) whom I hold most responsible for the mess in Kirkwall.  Most of the other major players are nuts.  He's rational, he's in a position to both see what's going on and act, and he fails to until it's far too late.  It's already too late by the beginning of Act 3.

[Arthur Cousland]

ladyofpayne wrote...

So sad than Nath wasn't in DA 2. But may be in DA 3 he will?:happy:
So, Fenris become mad. I knew that choose Anders was right descision.
So sad that DG can't to put in game normal mages. :crying:And templar's line. DG really need to become a gamedesigner- DA 3 will be the greatest game ever.
And I hope we will see Starheaven in next DLC or addon.
About romances I laufted- DG is very funny man.
 

Nathaniel did appear in DA2, though he only got around 5 minutes of screen time, which was hardly enough.

Did you happen to import a file where he went with the Warden at the end of Awakening?  He's also supposed to appear with one of the presets, though I'm not sure which one.

[Nethalf]

happy_daiz wrote...
Honestly, he was a cutie patootie in DA2

I'm not listening, I'm not listening! © Bethany. 

happy_daiz wrote...
Honestly, he was a cutie patootie in DA2, but I only brought up the point as being the reason for all the new-found Cullen love. Like Gaider said, he ended up being quite attractive (the quite is my own descriptor); and add to that DAA Anders voice, and you've got a fangirl's dream. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but it opened up the possibilities in peoples' minds for another LI. He's nice to look at, has morals, and seems to have grown from DAO.

I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

Good point. I apologize, then.  But there are too many grown-up characters and too many warriors as potential companions: Cassandra, Meraas, maybe some orleisian chevallier (cuz it would be awesome), any former DAO/DA2 warrior (cuz I'm sure somebody would be). So I think Cullen's awesomeness has a worthy rival of Cassandra's one, for example. 

Modifié par Nethalf, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[LobselVith8]

Addai67 wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

A few points of my own:
1) Whats the obsession with Cullen? I thought he was a toolbag in the first game and when he showed up in DA2 the only thought in my mind was "They brought this guy back?" But okay, cool he changes, whatever, but when you go to turn Anders in, like the goggles, he does nothing. He only grows a spine once someone else is willing to take on Meredith. Not sure why he gets so much praise. Not looking forward to any more angsty characters for DA.

Good question.  I'm confused as well.

You're not the only one. I would have preferred Ser Thrask surviving over seeing Cullen again.

[Addai]

happy_daiz wrote...
I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

If that's the only criteria, I'd put Nathaniel Howe above Cullen.  Waaaaay above.

[Drone696]

^ Seconded! (Yes, I know, "handwaving"...)

Modifié par rapunzel696, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:33 .

[TheAwesomologist]

maxernst wrote...
I realize a lot of people don't like Isabela, but she's far from crazy.  As for Cullen, I've never really seen it.  I view Thrask as DA2's tragic hero.  Cullen is one of the three people (Hawke and Elthina are the other two) whom I hold most responsible for the mess in Kirkwall.  Most of the other major players are nuts.  He's rational, he's in a position to both see what's going on and act, and he fails to until it's far too late.  It's already too late by the beginning of Act 3.

Isabella's not "crazy" but she's not exactly normal. Merril, Sebastian, and Bethany aren't "crazy" either they just have their character flaws and that's fine. That said, only Varric and Aveline struck me as level headed and even mature (yes Varric is mature in several meanings).

Thrask was fine until he decided to do the kidnapping. Lost all respect for the character after he was written into the trap, so yeah I can see how Cullen becomes an even more sympathetic character.

It's hard to like Kirkwall. There aren't many good people there.

Addai67 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

If that's the only criteria, I'd put Nathaniel Howe above Cullen.  Waaaaay above.

I've said this before, but when I first did the Find Nathaniel quest with Bethany as a GW for whatever reason I got it in my head that Nathaniel wasn't just looking for a fellow Warden. Ever since then I've considered them a pair. But that's just me.

[happy_daiz]

Addai67 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

If that's the only criteria, I'd put Nathaniel Howe above Cullen.  Waaaaay above.

So would I. Definitely. I wasn't really expressing my own personal opinion there; I was trying to explain how I've heard that criteria misinterpreted...and I should have made it more clear that I was being a little sarcastic. The written word can be so difficult at times. 

Nathaniel Howe is one of those characters that I can't help but respect, because he doesn't just fall at the PC's feet, professing his undying love, like every other companion/LI does. You have to earn his friendship. How can you not respect that?

Modifié par happy_daiz, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[happy_daiz]

Nethalf wrote...

Good point. I apologize, then.  But there are too many grown-up characters and too many warriors as potential companions: Cassandra, Meraas, maybe some orleisian chevallier (cuz it would be awesome), any former DAO/DA2 warrior (cuz I'm sure somebody would be). So I think Cullen's awesomeness has a worthy rival of Cassandra's one, for example. 

No worries.  I agree; there are sooo many potential companions that would be awesome. I like your companion ideas, and I'd add these to the the list: Charade, Feynriel, Keran, etc. It always seemed to me like Meraas HAD to serve a bigger part in the big scheme of things than to just stand there in the Hanged Man after his warning, but what do I know. I'm crossing my fingers for a cameo at the least for him. But, before I turn it into a "who do you want to see in DA3" thread, I'll cut this off.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:03 .

[Quething]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Isabella's not "crazy" but she's not exactly normal. Merril, Sebastian, and Bethany aren't "crazy" either they just have their character flaws and that's fine. That said, only Varric and Aveline struck me as level headed and even mature (yes Varric is mature in several meanings).

IDK, Aveline is pretty insecure and hypocritical. I'd put her and Izzy on the same level for maturity and general horse sense.

Varric's fine, but then he's the one telling the story, of course he is

Thrask was fine until he decided to do the kidnapping. Lost all respect for the character after he was written into the trap, so yeah I can see how Cullen becomes an even more sympathetic character.

Thrask kidnaps your baby sister, Cullen kidnaps your baby sister... I don't see the distinction, really.

[Aradace]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Lastly, Gaider implied that spirits and demons are, by nature, different, something which I was never quite clear on. They are not exactly the same thing, despite what Merrill and others would have you believe.

Addressing this specific point, Merrill never actually calls them the same thing or claims anything of the sort. She just says that they're all dangerous. She's obviously keen to the fact that there are distinctions to be made and that they are by nature different, but that doesn't mean only one is dangerous.

Actually, if memory serves, she kind of does and I quote; "Demons are just spirits like any other, they cant help how they are." Or something along those lines.  (Ive literally played through DA2 around 2 dozen times already and because of that, have around 75-80% of all dialog more or less memorized lol.  Feel free to prove me wrong as I would welcome it.  But I dont think I am this time.

Urzon wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

skylinepigeon wrote...

We’ve got this one really wrong, guys. The webseries? Apparently Felicia Day’s idea, and it came about while the DLC was being planned. She got to talk to Gaider about canon questions, and he was expecting really basic ones. Instead, she asked lots of complicated things about Seheron, Qunari culture, etc. So she’s not lying when she says she’s a huge fan. Also, he called it Mask of the Defender (I think, some D word), so that was one of several alternate titles. He says he likes it better than Legacy.

*Raises eyebrow* 

Fascinating.

Felicia Day..... Pro-Qunari?

Or just a fan of the Arishok's horns?

If so, I want to have her babies:wub: lol.  I myself am very pro-qunari 

[Gemini1179]

Aradace wrote...

Actually, if memory serves, she kind of does and I quote; "Demons are just spirits like any other, they cant help how they are." Or something along those lines.  (Ive literally played through DA2 around 2 dozen times already and because of that, have around 75-80% of all dialog more or less memorized lol.  Feel free to prove me wrong as I would welcome it.  But I dont think I am this time.

Merrill says: "Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human."
- NOT that one is Evil and one is Good. She also says: "There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous."

[Gemini1179]

happy_daiz wrote...

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Whats the obsession with Cullen?

He's eye candy. 

Do none of the female players listen to what Cullen says? He's just as crazy a fanatic as the next guy. He believes Mages are little more than dogs that just need proper care. Isn't he sweet?

The ONLY time I get a kick out of Cullen is his moment of "SWEET BLOOD OF ANDRASTE!!". That bit cracks me up. It's also funny how he mentions Alain has a convenient turn of conscience only to then later do the same thing himself.