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[Aradace]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Actually, if memory serves, she kind of does and I quote; "Demons are just spirits like any other, they cant help how they are." Or something along those lines.  (Ive literally played through DA2 around 2 dozen times already and because of that, have around 75-80% of all dialog more or less memorized lol.  Feel free to prove me wrong as I would welcome it.  But I dont think I am this time.

Merrill says: "Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human."
- NOT that one is Evil and one is Good. She also says: "There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous."

Yea, she says that.  But there is actual dialog I think at some point where she refers to them as spirits in the way I referred.  Im not playing DA2 right now at this very moment but will be within the next couple of days.  Im pretty sure she has a line (not party banter) where she says more or less what I said before.  How they are spirits like any other and that they cant help how they are.  I wish I could remember exactly what point in the game this dialog occurs without having to physically find out but it's there.  The only thing I remember for certain is that it isnt party banter but actual dialog.

Modifié par Aradace, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:17 .

[TEWR]

Aradace wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Actually, if memory serves, she kind of does and I quote; "Demons are just spirits like any other, they cant help how they are." Or something along those lines.  (Ive literally played through DA2 around 2 dozen times already and because of that, have around 75-80% of all dialog more or less memorized lol.  Feel free to prove me wrong as I would welcome it.  But I dont think I am this time.

Merrill says: "Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human."
- NOT that one is Evil and one is Good. She also says: "There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was. All spirits are dangerous."

Yea, she says that.  But there is actual dialog I think at some point where she refers to them as spirits in the way I referred.  Im not playing DA2 right now at this very moment but will be within the next couple of days.  Im pretty sure she has a line (not party banter) where she says more or less what I said before.  How they are spirits like any other and that they cant help how they are.  I wish I could remember exactly what point in the game this dialog occurs without having to physically find out but it's there.  The only thing I remember for certain is that it isnt party banter but actual dialog.

she calls it a demon in there. There may be other times.

[Aradace]

That's not the one. It's before that. I think it's a dialog where you have Anders in the party? Like I said, I dont remember exactly where and when it occurs but I'll find it lol.

[Gemini1179]

Aradace wrote...

That's not the one. It's before that. I think it's a dialog where you have Anders in the party? Like I said, I dont remember exactly where and when it occurs but I'll find it lol.

Honestly, I've lost what I was trying to clarify. What did Gaider say about Demons and Spirits? Personally, I think the term "Spirits" applies to them all, but it is simply easier to differentiate the 'blatanty' bad ones as Demons and the ones that 'seem' to do no harm as Spirits. I think that's probably along the lines of Merrill's position as well.

[Aradace]

Gemini1179 wrote...
Honestly, I've lost what I was trying to clarify. What did Gaider say about Demons and Spirits? Personally, I think the term "Spirits" applies to them all, but it is simply easier to differentiate the 'blatanty' bad ones as Demons and the ones that 'seem' to do no harm as Spirits. I think that's probably along the lines of Merrill's position as well.

Essentially yes, and that was what I was saying basically 

[Gemini1179]

Aradace wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
Honestly, I've lost what I was trying to clarify. What did Gaider say about Demons and Spirits? Personally, I think the term "Spirits" applies to them all, but it is simply easier to differentiate the 'blatanty' bad ones as Demons and the ones that 'seem' to do no harm as Spirits. I think that's probably along the lines of Merrill's position as well.

Essentially yes, and that was what I was saying basically 

...I'll shut up now...

[Aradace]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...
Honestly, I've lost what I was trying to clarify. What did Gaider say about Demons and Spirits? Personally, I think the term "Spirits" applies to them all, but it is simply easier to differentiate the 'blatanty' bad ones as Demons and the ones that 'seem' to do no harm as Spirits. I think that's probably along the lines of Merrill's position as well.

Essentially yes, and that was what I was saying basically 

...I'll shut up now...

Probably my fault lol.  I have this unhealthy obsession with picking things apart.  Sometimes it goes the way I want it to.  Others, it doesnt.  So again, probably my fault 

[Addai]

Gemini1179 wrote...

Do none of the female players listen to what Cullen says? He's just as crazy a fanatic as the next guy. He believes Mages are little more than dogs that just need proper care. Isn't he sweet?

It's the healing power of loooove, my friend.

And please, do not lump all female players together.  Cullen:  No quiero.

But you have to admit that all the LIs in DA2 were off their rocker anyway.

[Cobra's_back]

Addai67 wrote...

Gemini1179 wrote...

Do none of the female players listen to what Cullen says? He's just as crazy a fanatic as the next guy. He believes Mages are little more than dogs that just need proper care. Isn't he sweet?

It's the healing power of loooove, my friend.

And please, do not lump all female players together.  Cullen:  No quiero.

But you have to admit that all the LIs in DA2 were off their rocker anyway.

I agree. The DA2 had the worst possible picks for LI. There was loopy Ander where you can love him and his friend. Excuse me honey cause I have to blow up an old lady.

The other choice is Mr prickly Fenris love you one night see three years later.  I had to wonder why my female mage threw him up against the wall.

[Carmen_Willow]

Addai67 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

If that's the only criteria, I'd put Nathaniel Howe above Cullen.  Waaaaay above.

Me too this. Nathaniel Howe as an LI in 3. 

[Sabariel]

Cullen is sooooooooo creepy in DAO. Then in DA2 he told my mage that she wasn't a person. He lost all his brownie points for that one.

[Morroian]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...
I think the "logical" conclusion, whether real or imagined, is that since he was in both DAO and DA2, he MUST be a planned LI for DA3. Right? Well, that remains to be seen.

If that's the only criteria, I'd put Nathaniel Howe above Cullen.  Waaaaay above.

Me too this. Nathaniel Howe as an LI in 3. 

And Sigrun

[ladyofpayne]

I feell that Nathanial and Cullen will be in party in DA 3. And LI of cource- so many fans here. Because- party need Gray Warden, blondie(Cullen) and rogue.
My MHawke can choose both. But Nath will be so pretty in blue.

[NedPepper]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

I don't want a full game in Kirkwall, I'd just like to visit Starkhaven as part of a dlc, like Legacy and etc.

Sebastian is a prince of the area and has to go reclaim his throne. The many references to Starkhaven in DA2 simply made me curious.

Yes, Kirkwall itself, not the Free Marches a a whole, should be considered a disaster area as if it was the victim of some kind of nuclear explosion, which isn't too far from what actually happened. Thin veil, plenty of crazy mages, homicidal templars, etc. I'd be surprised if Ferelden wasn't getting refugees from the Free Marches after the events in DA2.

Also, it's too bad that Nathaniel wasn't Sebastian.  Nathaniel was probably more popular than Anders, and he is one of the few characters from Origins+dlc that actually looks better in DA2 (another being Cullen).  I'm sure there are plenty of people who would have preferred Nathaniel be in DA2 instead of Anders, especially after Anders has his downfall, and goes from one of the popular Origins companions to one of the more hated DA2 characters (I didn't mind him so much, but his fate was disappointing).

IMO, Anders downfall is what MAKES him a great character.  It's heartbreaking.  Anders literally loses his mind and his perspective.  It was great story arc.

[Urzon]

Morroian wrote...

And Sigrun

Don't make me cry. I miss her so much.

Hopefully, we will see more of Warden Team Awakening(!) in DA3, even Velanna. She might be a racist elvaan supremacist, but she was the Warden's racist elvaan supremacist. Plus he/she can get her to at least tolerate them in the end.

......I miss Sigrun so much.

[ladyofpayne]

no Vellanna. To simple and clishe char.

[Merilsell]

Romances - Gaider believes that Fenris and Anders occupy the same kind of “romantic space,” the ‘oh, you musn’t love me’ man pain thing. He regrets that and wished they would have been differentiated more, but it was an accident. When he and Jennifer came together with what they wrote, they went with it but sort of felt, and I quote: “Oh god, we made Twilight.”

Playing through the DA2 romances, I had the same feeling  (And no, that is not a good thing.)

Modifié par Merilsell, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:03 .

[rak72]

Gemini1179 wrote...



Do none of the female players listen to what Cullen says?

I heard what he said, and he has good reason for feeling that way.  For someone who was tourtured for several weeks by mages, he came out of it to be the most fair and objective person in Kirkwall.    let's not act like all the mages were sitting around with halos around their head.

[Yuqi]

 I thought Fenris had more of an FF feel, specificly he was like cloud strife.  

[Carmen_Willow]

Urzon wrote...

Morroian wrote...

And Sigrun

Don't make me cry. I miss her so much.

Hopefully, we will see more of Warden Team Awakening(!) in DA3, even Velanna. She might be a racist elvaan supremacist, but she was the Warden's racist elvaan supremacist. Plus he/she can get her to at least tolerate them in the end.

......I miss Sigrun so much.

Me too! I loved Sigrun!

[Nethalf]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Urzon wrote...

Morroian wrote...

And Sigrun

......I miss Sigrun so much.

Me too! I loved Sigrun!

Music for my ears. Well, u all can see at my userbar what I think 'bout this idea.

[Arthur Cousland]

Hawke can tell Varric something like, "Have I ever given you the idea that I was put off by crazy?", meaning that a sarcastic Hawke likes the crazies.

My diplomatic Hawke would have romanced Aveline if possible. Too bad there was no option to duel Donnic for her love.

I'm also a Sigrun fan. Her personality was energetic, unique and refreshing, at least in the DA universe.

I'd also like to see Nathaniel return in DA3. If only Anders was a companion due to Bioware not wanting to over-do the "handwaving", then let Nate get his turn in DA3. Anders should be pre-occupied with seeing a psychiatrist and an exorcist. Also, hopefully Nate keeps his face+voice from DA2. As much as I liked him in Awakening, he was a bit ugly.

[enderandrew]

I pre-ordered DA2 but since I'm constantly busy and never have time for games, I just finally got around to beating it.

It is really hard to imagine that DA:O and DA:2 had the same lead writer. The art/combat/interface changes you can attribute to other people, but the style of story is so much different. DA:O takes a very difficult task of telling a meaningful interactive story that can operate successfully from 6 different origins. And while there is an interesting choice towards the end, you're fighting an obvious evil. And while Loghain's motivations could be understood to an extent, it was still a story of traditional heroism against identifiable villians.

DA:2 made my uncomfortable, and not because of dark/mature content. I have no qualms with that. I often felt like I was being forced into choices I did not like. Neither side felt right at times. And playing any side completely has some really nasty consequences. Despite what Varrick may say (in a friendship) Hawke isn't exactly a hero. And even if you do your damnest to do right by people and make good decisions, you directly cause a lot of harm.

I get that it is a story with telling, but I would have preferred a story like this as a DA novel. As a game, I really didn't particularly enjoy putting myself in Hawke's shoes. Quite frankly, if Hawke never came to Kirkwall, the world would have been better. 

And if I had the opportunity to sit down with DG for lunch, I guess the question I'd ask is why bring back Flemeth and feature her in the demo, but barely use her in the final game? I think even a small inclusion later in the game to suggest that she *might* be manipulating Templars/Mages towards conflict for her own reasons would have added some intrigue.

While I expect each DA game to be its own offering and necessarily directly linked stories, I'd like to see Flemeth continue to tie them together loosely.

Modifié par enderandrew, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

DA:2 made my uncomfortable, and not because of dark/mature content. I have no qualms with that. I often felt like I was being forced into choices I did not like. Neither side felt right at times. And playing any side completely has some really nasty consequences.

... and this is why I love the DA2 story way more than the DAO story. (Not saying you're wrong to feel differently! I can see why someone would form that opinion; I just personally preferred making morally grey decisions about a conflict between people to saving the world from a dragon.)

[Eudaemonium]

Andrastee wrote...

DA:2 made my uncomfortable, and not because of dark/mature content. I have no qualms with that. I often felt like I was being forced into choices I did not like. Neither side felt right at times. And playing any side completely has some really nasty consequences.

... and this is why I love the DA2 story way more than the DAO story. (Not saying you're wrong to feel differently! I can see why someone would form that opinion; I just personally preferred making morally grey decisions about a conflict between people to saving the world from a dragon.)

^ Similarly! But yeah, I do understand why some people might have issues with it. DAO was far, far more heroic in tone.