esper wrote...
It is just that with al lot of the possession we have seen the demon is not the sole source of power. To make an arcane horror for example a pride demon is not enough, you need a pride demon + a dead mage if you don't have the mage it doesn't matter what kind of demon it is. It can't wield its magic (which is connection to the Fade) if it gets stuck in a non-magic dead body. It seems to work differently with living hosts, and there are differrent kind of possession as well.
Although, I'm not exactly sure why a pride demon would choose to possess a corpse of a mage, there's no denying it happens. But the very fact that a corpse means just that - dead - leads me to think that there is no more a connection of the mage to the Fade. So I'm not sure why a pride demon possessing the corpse of a mage should give the demon magical abilities. In fact, it is the case that the demon already had magic within itself, which I'll get to later.
Of course I don't think that there are many pride demons stupid enough to get stuck in non-mage corspes, so that might be why none such think has been noticed...
We'll at least need one example for this. A pride demon bound to a non-mage corpse (or even a non mage) and not being able to wield magic.
Also Pride Demons are the strongest in the Fade so naturally they have acces to the strongest power in themself before they possess anyone - but all points to the fact that the hosts power comes into play.
Look at
this: "Thus why I think the distinction needs to be made between 'level of magic power' and 'level of power', insofar as the latter provides the person with access to the machinery that they'd need to exert influence."
(I'd advise come caution with this, because Mr. Epler isn't a writer of the lore, but his comments are rational, at least to me.)
Forexample I don't think that Emile de Laucent is in danger of ever becoming a pride abormination because I think that no Pride Demon would even dain to think of him as a host.
It could also be about the number of bargaining chips that a mage has (to bargain with a powerful-enough demon). For instance read
this. There is a concept in there about "how much of a rational ability and power of the demon would remain across the Veil after possession." In short, there are reasons why a pride demon might consider Emile a "poor target." And it may not be what you think it is.
Also I think that everything regarding with demon and possession needs to be not taken word for word if it is written by a circle mage since they don't have the best condition to study it objectively. (They have good reasons to fear the demons and as much of the danger that can be placed at the demons hand is properly placed there.)
Well, how about
a lecture given about pride demons by a templar-commander, then? It says specifically that a pride demon in its pure form has certain spell casting abilities. And the templar was talking about pride demons that had either crossed the Veil or had been summoned into the mortal realm.
So it's simple for me to think that a pride demon, in its pure form, or its possessed form, in the mortal realm is able to wield magic. Now it remains to be seen if there is a pride demon in some form that isn't able to wield magic, which would put doubt to this understanding, but otherwise, I think it's safe to believe what Senior Enchanter Bader says about demonic possession.
Indeed, as I admitted it earlier, what Marethari says about Feynrial is curious, to say the least. At least being a dreamer is a very rare thing, so it's likely that possession of dreamers isn't all that well understood, even by Marethari, who could be entirely wrong about it.
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