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[CrazyCatDude]

 I've played through ME2 so many times I've lost count, and never heard a reference to him having his legs worked on by Cerberus until I saw it on the forums and the Mass Effect Wiki.  Where in game is this mentioned, or if not mentioned in game, where did the information come from?

[Skullheart]

Well, we never watch him using his legs with no help before he joined cerberus. When the SR1 was being attacked shepard carried him tothe scape pod. By the end of the SM whe see him firing an assault rifle. Those facts leave a lot for interpretation, but still, nothing is confirmed nor denied.

So he could have received and upgrade, or he is just a lazy ass who enjoys sitting on a chair the whole day. Im from those who believes that he loves the chairs.

[DNDynamite]

Reminds me of the quote he said in ME1 "I can make this ship dance if you'd like, but just don't expect me to dance unless you like the sound of my shins cracking." Something like that anyway. Then you look at ME2 where he runs on the Normandy SR2 while everyone is getting killed... Pretty much a guarantee, but truthfully I wouldn't doubt that modern medicine might of cured the disease in those two years Shepard was dead, and maybe the Alliance doctors or a friendly surgeon fixed 'em up.

[m00nsh1ne]

or it could be possible that he just built up his internal bad-ass meter and gutted through it. Adrenaline can do amazing things.

[Inutaisho7996]

He does mention in 1 that he can't walk without crutches. His ability to do so in 2 has made people suspect that Cerberus reinforced his leg bones.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:30 .

[SandTrout]

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

He does mention in 1 that he can't walk without crutches. His ability to do so in 2 has made people suspect that Cerberus played a part in that.

I think you may be mistaken here. I was under the impression that he could not walk without his braces, which are not the same as crutches. Braces would be exteral frames strapped to his legs in order to reinforce his skeleton. He probably keeps them on at all times when he's awake after the SR1 was destroyed, which would account for the difference.

On a side note, it allways irritated me that the Alliance would accept someone with a medical condition that makes them a liability to everyone else on the crew.

[ddv.rsa]

SandTrout wrote...

On a side note, it allways irritated me that the Alliance would accept someone with a medical condition that makes them a liability to everyone else on the crew.

Not really, he's a pilot. The only time his condition would matter is if the ship had to be evacuated. imo not enough to warrant rejecting an otherwise excellent candidate. In this regard the Alliance has made a lot of progress- any current military would reject Joker.

[AlexMBrennan]

imo not enough to warrant rejecting an otherwise excellent candidate.

An interesting opinion given that, e.g., the Royal Navy automatically rejects applications if the applicant is diabetic (which will have no effect on their ability to work a Hydrographic And Meteorology Officer)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 23 septembre 2011 - 11:49 .

[arne1234]

SandTrout wrote...

Inutaisho7996 wrote...

He does mention in 1 that he can't walk without crutches. His ability to do so in 2 has made people suspect that Cerberus played a part in that.

I think you may be mistaken here. I was under the impression that he could not walk without his braces, which are not the same as crutches. Braces would be exteral frames strapped to his legs in order to reinforce his skeleton. He probably keeps them on at all times when he's awake after the SR1 was destroyed, which would account for the difference.

On a side note, it allways irritated me that the Alliance would accept someone with a medical condition that makes them a liability to everyone else on the crew.

That's stupid Joker is one of the alliance (later cerberus) best pilotes and in his job his disability is of no concern. So if your good enough the military will overlook your disabilities. (Note that the navy hired some blind people to man sonars some time ago [that I remember from the top of my head])

[AlexMBrennan]

That's stupid Joker is one of the alliance (later cerberus) best pilotes and in his job his disability is of no concern.

The disability (indirectly, and combined with his refusal to follow orders) got his commanding officer killed though. And do you really prefer a pilot who is the best at his job but useless at everything else or another candidate who is marginally worse but could get to his station quickly (what if the Collectors had attacked when Joker was off duty/sleeping?), carry a colleague to safety if necessary, etc?

[Dark_Caduceus]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

That's stupid Joker is one of the alliance (later cerberus) best pilotes and in his job his disability is of no concern.

The disability (indirectly, and combined with his refusal to follow orders) got his commanding officer killed though. And do you really prefer a pilot who is the best at his job but useless at everything else or another candidate who is marginally worse but could get to his station quickly (what if the Collectors had attacked when Joker was off duty/sleeping?), carry a colleague to safety if necessary, etc?

Joker never sleeps, he's there everytime I visit the bridge.

[sorentoft]

It was not Joker's disability that got Shepard killed. It was because he did not want to leave the Normandy. Play the first section of the game again.

Modifié par sorentoft, 23 septembre 2011 - 02:48 .

[AlexMBrennan]

No, Shepard had managed to convince Joker to evacuate seconds before the complete destruction of the Normandy. They both would have made it to the escape pod in time if Joker had been able to walk.

[sorentoft]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

No, Shepard had managed to convince Joker to evacuate seconds before the complete destruction of the Normandy. They both would have made it to the escape pod in time if Joker had been able to walk.

They would have had a lot more time if Shepard did not have to convince him first, hence death. If Joker did not need convincing he could just have gotten out of the chair and into a pod before Shepard arrived.

Regardless the plot demanded Shepard's death so this discussion is pointless. Anyway, if you really want to place blame, place it at the Collectors.

[Ruathrar]

Joker's Upgrade 

[Patchwork]

If Shepard had just got into the escape pod after Joker instead of trying to get a look at the attacking vessel she wouldn't have died.

I'm sure Joker talks about his crutches in ME1 but I can't chase down the dialogue right now.

[SandTrout]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Not really, he's a pilot. The only time his condition would matter is if the ship had to be evacuated. imo not enough to warrant rejecting an otherwise excellent candidate. In this regard the Alliance has made a lot of progress- any current military would reject Joker.

This is exactly my point. Millitary personel are selected under the premise that they will constantly be in high-risk and violent situations. If cannot help your crewmates during a casualty onboard the ship, you are necessarily a hazard to everyone else. This is a part of military thinking that should not 'progress', because it is among the most reasonable parts of military culture.

That's stupid Joker is one of the alliance (later cerberus) best pilotes
and in his job his disability is of no concern. So if your good enough
the military will overlook your disabilities. (Note that the navy hired
some blind people to man sonars some time ago [that I remember from the
top of my head]

It's not stupid, its very real, practical, and reasonable. I don't know about your blind sonarman, but I'm going to guess that he was accepted during WW2. As a matter of practice, disabilities such as blindness, deafness, amputations/paralysis, and even color-blindness can disqualify you from joining the military, or at least specific jobs within the military.

To be fair, I knew of a hearing-impared sonarman in modern times that was rejected from the marines due to his hearing loss before he joined the navy, but you can turn up the volume on a sonar set, but if you can't hear orders on the battlefield, you're going to get someone killed.

[Sylvanpyxie]

The exact quote from ME1 is: Even with crutches and my leg braces it's hard to get around.

So it's a fair assumption from the ME community that he got upgrades, cause he wouldn't be able to walk around in ME2 without them. It's not a confirmed fact from anyone on the Bioware team though, as far as i know.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 23 septembre 2011 - 06:01 .

[SandTrout]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

The exact quote from ME1 is: Even with crutches and my leg braces it's hard to get around.

So it's a fair assumption from the ME community that he got upgrades, cause he wouldn't be able to walk around in ME2 without them.

Ah, cool. I wasn't remembering the line quite right, then. My appologies.

[ladyvader]

Ser Bard wrote...

If Shepard had just got into the escape pod after Joker instead of trying to get a look at the attacking vessel she wouldn't have died.

I'm sure Joker talks about his crutches in ME1 but I can't chase down the dialogue right now.

I put 80% on Joker for not obeying the evac order and 20% on Shep for not following Joker into the escape pod also Shep had to take one last look at the damage. 

[Mr.Pink]

What I don't get, in ME1, it was just his legs that had vrolic syndrome, but in ME2, it's all over his body, he breaks an arm when the SR1 gets destroyed, he breaks ribs when they crash onto the collector base, etc. When did it spread?

[InvaderErl]

I don't think he ever specified only his legs were brittle and correct me if I'm wrong but that's not how brittle bone disease would work anyway.

[RhiPanda]

I think it always affected his whole body, maybe he just didn't feel like mentioning the rest of it in ME1

[Sylvanpyxie]

Joker - ME1.
"Hips, thighs, ankles. My bones were breaking in the womb."
"The bones in my legs never developed properly they're basically hollow."

Joker ME2 -
"What was i meant to do break my arm at them?"
"I think i broke a rib.. Or all of them."

ME1 implies it's only from the waist down. ME2 implies it's a full body condition. Bioware obviously like to be totally clear on the information they put into their dialogue... Sarcasm Sarcasm.

It's best assumed that Joker has a full body condition.