I'm kinda pissed that after all that squad building... we are back to ME1 squad sans Wrex.
Will there be anymore permanent squad members?
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#27
Posté 24 septembre 2011 - 03:05
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Here is a tweet from CHud posted about five hours ago:
@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
“@Honor16: @CaseyDHudson Will we have anymore PERMANENT squad members?" In the galactic war of #ME3, nothing can be assumed permanent.
@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
“@Honor16: @CaseyDHudson Will we have anymore PERMANENT squad members?" In the galactic war of #ME3, nothing can be assumed permanent.
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Posté 24 septembre 2011 - 07:34
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ladyvader wrote...
Here is a tweet from CHud posted about five hours ago:
@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
“@Honor16: @CaseyDHudson Will we have anymore PERMANENT squad members?" In the galactic war of #ME3, nothing can be assumed permanent.
Another ambigous quote that says very little and answers no question.
The problem i have with the things they keep saying is that rather than answer the question directly instead its answered in such a way that you can take whatever meaning you wish from it, be completely wrong, but because of how its phrased it gives so much wriggle room to bioware to say, well that's not what we meant.
For example, in war every single person can technically be killed therefore permanence loses its meaning because nothing is in fact permanent, so is this what's been said here or is it actually saying that because of the fluid nature of a complete galactic war, people may need to give their attention to different thing.
Shepard may be needed in one place while Mordin is needed elsewhere, so while we can meet up with Mordin, help each other out, the fluid everchanging situation of a galactic war will inevitably force us to part and force our attentions elsewhere.
Personally like i said earlier, i believe the orignal statment about a core squad and who comprise's that squad to be accurate, the me2 specific characters such as Mordin, Miranda etc, will be given a temp role and everything they say regarding squadmates when analysed later will prove that they didn't lie, they just didn't tell us the complete truth either.
#29
Posté 24 septembre 2011 - 07:58
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Ever heard of not wanting to reveal any spoilers? Which is what BW is doing when it comes to the characters. Either deal with or nor not. That's your problem actually. But acting like what was said six months ago is still accurate is not seeing the big picture. Things change. BioWare doesn't have actors doing all the lines at once. They do it in chunks. Then if something isn't working they go back and change it. Ali Hillis said this in an interview. Which is the opposite of what the devs of FF XIII do. She did her work and was done because those scene where actually done in game.
They, the devs, have backtracked on some of the statements from a few months ago. Which is why you can't go by an interview that was given six months ago. Even Evil Chris changed the name of the Confirmed Features thread to Known Features because he said there is nothing confirmed until the game is released.
I think only three people will be there more than most. Liara, Vega, and the VS. So, far those are the only characters getting AA that comes with the CE. Garrus isn't mentioned and neither is Tali.
I actually see Tali leaving Shepard if Shepard sides with the Geth in their conflict with the quarians. So, to say Tali is permanent would be false.
We won't know until March and who or who isn't in my squad isn't my concern. Nor was it in ME2. I'll use who I am giving. Then I'll make up my mind on who I want to use
Ever heard of not wanting to reveal any spoilers? Which is what BW is doing when it comes to the characters. Either deal with or nor not. That's your problem actually. But acting like what was said six months ago is still accurate is not seeing the big picture. Things change. BioWare doesn't have actors doing all the lines at once. They do it in chunks. Then if something isn't working they go back and change it. Ali Hillis said this in an interview. Which is the opposite of what the devs of FF XIII do. She did her work and was done because those scene where actually done in game.
They, the devs, have backtracked on some of the statements from a few months ago. Which is why you can't go by an interview that was given six months ago. Even Evil Chris changed the name of the Confirmed Features thread to Known Features because he said there is nothing confirmed until the game is released.
I think only three people will be there more than most. Liara, Vega, and the VS. So, far those are the only characters getting AA that comes with the CE. Garrus isn't mentioned and neither is Tali.
I actually see Tali leaving Shepard if Shepard sides with the Geth in their conflict with the quarians. So, to say Tali is permanent would be false.
We won't know until March and who or who isn't in my squad isn't my concern. Nor was it in ME2. I'll use who I am giving. Then I'll make up my mind on who I want to use
#30
Posté 24 septembre 2011 - 08:24
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Maybe we'll get more with DLCs.
#31
Posté 24 septembre 2011 - 08:42
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They've been more mum on DLC than they have on the squad. I'm not holding my breath on much in way of DLC. I do expect armor/weapon packs along with AA packs, but not much in ways of story line driven DLC.Volus Warlord wrote...
Maybe we'll get more with DLCs.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:18
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DeathDragon185 wrote...
I only want Kasumi to be permanent
well my signature doesnt deny that
i really hope shes in the game
i mean with the amount of news we "dont" hear about her i will settle with dlc
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:20
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ladyvader wrote...
They've been more mum on DLC than they have on the squad. I'm not holding my breath on much in way of DLC. I do expect armor/weapon packs along with AA packs, but not much in ways of story line driven DLC.Volus Warlord wrote...
Maybe we'll get more with DLCs.
I don't know, the critical reception for a few of ME2's story-driven DLCs was very, very positive. I'd imagine EA would wish to repeat that.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 01:08
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I think the problem with new squadmembers will be that there won't be enough time to properly flesh them out as characters.
Think about this: ME3 is going to be the action-packed climax of a very popular game trilogy. Everything you did in any of the previous games has been leading up to this point. There is going to be a lot of stuff going on, and our Shep will probably be quite busy to put it mildly. This provides a lot of opportunity for good interaction with people we already know, because we are familiar with their character and can focus on how they deal with the fact that the whole universe is collapsing around them.
With new squadmates, we have to get the whole "Getting to Know You" part out of the way first. I'm just afraid their characterization won't be able to hold a candle to other characters we have already known for at least one whole game, and that they will look unremarkable and pale in comparison.
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Ah yes. When confronted with a simple and straightforward question, give an answer that tells people exactly bugger all. A skill mastered by game developers and politicians around the world
Think about this: ME3 is going to be the action-packed climax of a very popular game trilogy. Everything you did in any of the previous games has been leading up to this point. There is going to be a lot of stuff going on, and our Shep will probably be quite busy to put it mildly. This provides a lot of opportunity for good interaction with people we already know, because we are familiar with their character and can focus on how they deal with the fact that the whole universe is collapsing around them.
With new squadmates, we have to get the whole "Getting to Know You" part out of the way first. I'm just afraid their characterization won't be able to hold a candle to other characters we have already known for at least one whole game, and that they will look unremarkable and pale in comparison.
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ladyvader wrote...
Here is a tweet from CHud posted about five hours ago:
@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
“@Honor16: @CaseyDHudson Will we have anymore PERMANENT squad members?" In the galactic war of #ME3, nothing can be assumed permanent.
Ah yes. When confronted with a simple and straightforward question, give an answer that tells people exactly bugger all. A skill mastered by game developers and politicians around the world
Modifié par julian08, 25 septembre 2011 - 01:09 .
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:00
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How though? Most people raged on Arrival where most loved LotSB. Overlord was alright, but nothing I do on all my playthroughs. Where in the timeline does it go? That is why I dont' think t here will be much story-line driven DLC. Once the war is over/end game. Where does it go from there? You'd have to put the story-driven DLC timeline wise before the end of the war. This is the end of Shepard's story.JeffZero wrote...
ladyvader wrote...
They've been more mum on DLC than they have on the squad. I'm not holding my breath on much in way of DLC. I do expect armor/weapon packs along with AA packs, but not much in ways of story line driven DLC.Volus Warlord wrote...
Maybe we'll get more with DLCs.
I don't know, the critical reception for a few of ME2's story-driven DLCs was very, very positive. I'd imagine EA would wish to repeat that.
I can see adding a squadmate DLC like with Kasumi.
You'll notice I left off the free DLC that went through the Cerberus Network. Cause, those were free to those that had the network and that was free as well to those that bought the game new.
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#36
Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 03:12
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@ladyvader
Its one thing not wishing to reveal spoilers and i'm all for that, the problem though is this.
To suggest the reason your not giving info on squadmate status is that it spoils the story has to then stand up with the other information you release, when you look at the info released both in the comics and in vids, dev chats, magazines thus far, then that statement doesn't exactly ring true.
We've received so much info already that is much more spoilerific than a simple confirmation of who's in our squad, that you begin to wonder just what the reason for staying so mum on the squadmates really is.
I could give examples of how much of the storyline and context of mass effect 3 has been spoiled so far, but i won't since perhaps not everyone has seen these spoilers.
All i'll say is this, knowing what we already know about certain characters, events, groups and places in me3 is more spoilerific than knowing if Mordin or Miranda are full or temp or play a cameo role imo.
The reason i made reference to the original info released was because it was only after release that ambiguity and double talk began, it was when people began to question the squadmate role and question whether or not character A or character B would return, that we heard the whole non permanent lines and squadmates work differently in me3.
I still contend that the original was the truth and that since then all we've gotten is backtracking, double speak and answers that don't clarify, this is the same tactic used during the same period for me2, when people asked about the vs and wrex.
We were given almost a breakdown of the me2 squad then, focus was on a few specific characters and we were told that they couldn't tell us about the vs or wrex as it spoiled the story, closer to release we heard about wrex's cameo but still nothing regarding the vs and look how that turned out.
Bioware don't like giving news that people may not like until the latest possible time, instead they answer questions without answering them leaving enough wiggle room to come back later and say "you took the wrong meaning from what we said".
Call me negative if you wish, but i can see definite parellells between how they're handling the squadmate issue now and how they did so leading to me2's release, that time i gave the benefit of the doubt, this time not so much.
Its one thing not wishing to reveal spoilers and i'm all for that, the problem though is this.
To suggest the reason your not giving info on squadmate status is that it spoils the story has to then stand up with the other information you release, when you look at the info released both in the comics and in vids, dev chats, magazines thus far, then that statement doesn't exactly ring true.
We've received so much info already that is much more spoilerific than a simple confirmation of who's in our squad, that you begin to wonder just what the reason for staying so mum on the squadmates really is.
I could give examples of how much of the storyline and context of mass effect 3 has been spoiled so far, but i won't since perhaps not everyone has seen these spoilers.
All i'll say is this, knowing what we already know about certain characters, events, groups and places in me3 is more spoilerific than knowing if Mordin or Miranda are full or temp or play a cameo role imo.
The reason i made reference to the original info released was because it was only after release that ambiguity and double talk began, it was when people began to question the squadmate role and question whether or not character A or character B would return, that we heard the whole non permanent lines and squadmates work differently in me3.
I still contend that the original was the truth and that since then all we've gotten is backtracking, double speak and answers that don't clarify, this is the same tactic used during the same period for me2, when people asked about the vs and wrex.
We were given almost a breakdown of the me2 squad then, focus was on a few specific characters and we were told that they couldn't tell us about the vs or wrex as it spoiled the story, closer to release we heard about wrex's cameo but still nothing regarding the vs and look how that turned out.
Bioware don't like giving news that people may not like until the latest possible time, instead they answer questions without answering them leaving enough wiggle room to come back later and say "you took the wrong meaning from what we said".
Call me negative if you wish, but i can see definite parellells between how they're handling the squadmate issue now and how they did so leading to me2's release, that time i gave the benefit of the doubt, this time not so much.
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 05:00
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I think they probably don't want to hear all the whining that will go on if some people's favorites aren't permanent.
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Posté 26 septembre 2011 - 05:14
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BBK4114 wrote...
I think they probably don't want to hear all the whining that will go on if some people's favorites aren't permanent.
I believe this is the main reason why they answer how they do, it was the same with the status of the Vs, for me2, don't confirm/don't deny just answer in a way that leaves room for the answer to be right without making a definite statment.
We don't need specific details of the exact storyline of a character, a simple confirmation that if alive a character will be a permanent squadmate wouldn't spoil anything.
Example knowing garrus was a full squadmate in me2 prior to meeting him on omega spoils garrus's storyline how?
