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whywhywhywhy wrote...

ME1 fan on me3: I hope everything gets resolved since this is the last game in the series.
Gears of War fan on me3: We need better grenades, this sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!

ME1 fan on ME3: Wait, why are the Reapers landing instead of bombarding the planet ?
Gears of War fan on me3: I think I like the chainsaw better then the knife, it's sok.
Halo fan on me3: These vehicles can only be played on rails, that sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!

Me2 fan on ME3: COD Dude your right let's shoot stuff!
Cod fan shoots me2 fan.
Halo fan: Ughh, you just commited murder.
COD fan: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!


Your ignorance and blind fanboyism is just sad.

By the way, a ME1 fan would know why the Reapers are landing on Earth (harvesting)...:mellow:

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whywhywhywhy wrote...

ME1 fan on ME3: Wait, why are the Reapers landing instead of bombarding the planet ?


It was pretty clear that they are harvesting, since ME1 actually... you would prefer to harvest dust and ashes?

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Mecha Tengu wrote...

urgh

the call of duty audience

you mean that braindead infested, children screaming, casual crying, hitscan shooter with no teamwork, but plenty of pre-pubescent teens and "girl gamers" that we can easily squeeze for a $15 DLC map pack

I hate all you casual gamers.

Bioware this is completely against what you stand for and believe in. Don't give in to the EA devil, Dragon Age 2 was barely tolerable ZZZZZZ

The sad thing about this is you're probably serious.:?

Modifié par jreezy, 24 septembre 2011 - 09:55 .


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jreezy wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

urgh

the call of duty audience

you mean that braindead infested, children screaming, casual crying, hitscan shooter with no teamwork, but plenty of pre-pubescent teens and "girl gamers" that we can easily squeeze for a $15 DLC map pack

I hate all you casual gamers.

Bioware this is completely against what you stand for and believe in. Don't give in to the EA devil, Dragon Age 2 was barely tolerable ZZZZZZ

The sad thing about this is you're probably serious.:?


I find it to be hilariously sad, even.

Nothing about playing a goddamn game makes you any better than anyone else, armchair warriors.

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Someone With Mass wrote...
Nothing about playing a goddamn game makes you any better than anyone else, armchair warriors.


Sure it does. It's a caste system, the CoD kiddies are on the second to lowest caste. This isn't to say an enlightened individual can't play through it, but when you some level 100 prestige whatever, that's when you know.

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alex90c wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

alex90c wrote...

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The company is not to blame - it is the consumer.

All companies are designed to pander to the lowest common denominator.

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The only issue I had with ME 2 was the length of the combat obstacle courses - and the fact that the model for the suicide mission wasn't used throughout the entire game.


Well that just made the ME2 SM even better when you compare it to the other parts of the game, and using it too much would have taken away from its effectiveness.


The suicide mission should have started once we hit Horizon and that mission plus the Collector trap should have cost us each a squadmate.  Maybe not dead, but definitely captured.  It would have added so much to the whole thing.


I'm not a fan of forced deaths. I mean Virmire would have pissed me off to no end if I really liked both Ashley and Kaidan.


I didn't say there would be forced deaths, but forced deaths are nothing new.  We lost Jenkins, Nihlus, and Pressly...in that order.  

My point is something has to allude to the seriousness of the issue and I don't feel that was presented well enough.  Having my crew abducted after the IFF installation didn't do it.  If Joker were abducted despite all the work he did then that would have had me running after the Collectors.  Apart from Joker the only people I can talk to are Ken, Gabby, Kelly, Chakwas, and Gardner.  After being forced to work with/for Cerberus I'm not interested in talking with the rest of the crew except Chakwas.  Then there's the lack of a need to talk to them after you've done what they asked.  Only Ken and Gabby have something extra that includes a member of your squad.  Beyond that...there's nothing that serves to tether me to the crew.  

In fact, when the crew was abducted I didn't even remember that Chakwas was one of them taken.  My first run had me get her the brandy she wanted and I didn't pursue the medical upgrade to fix my Shepard's face.  The number of times I got "We are building a consensus" from Legion allowed me to avoid going anywhere near the medical bay.  As far as I was concerned Chakwas was tucked out of the way.

Random NPCs on a planet aren't going to make me care unless there's sufficient reason to care.  That colonies are being abducted might be enough for some, but the chance that one of your squad can be caught would get everyone to care because now you're short one combatant which means things can be more difficult.

Going back to forced deaths, it happens all the time: Jenkins, Nihlus, and Pressly.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

urgh

the call of duty audience

you mean that braindead infested, children screaming, casual crying, hitscan shooter with no teamwork, but plenty of pre-pubescent teens and "girl gamers" that we can easily squeeze for a $15 DLC map pack

I hate all you casual gamers.

Bioware this is completely against what you stand for and believe in. Don't give in to the EA devil, Dragon Age 2 was barely tolerable ZZZZZZ

The sad thing about this is you're probably serious.:?


I find it to be hilariously sad, even.

Nothing about playing a goddamn game makes you any better than anyone else, armchair warriors.


Superior master race armchair warrior here

600 lbs heavyweight champ with a neckbeard thicker than molasses. Never left the basement and can be found usually in my room or the toilet. Can speak Klingon and Japanese, but have never talked to a female ****** sapien besides my mom in my entire life.

gewd?



ok look the children can keep their call of duty,  but I would like my RPGs to remain RPGs

a little homogenization is fine, but if I wanted a hitscan sniping fest I know where I can find it.

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 25 septembre 2011 - 02:41 .


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I can't criticize a game that hasn't come out yet.

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Yes. Having action in the action-RPG is selling out.

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It's like a SWTOR thread in reverse

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I like the fact Bioware hasn't revealed much of the story since I want to be as surprised as possible when I play ME3 for the first time I don't mind the bits and pieces we've received so far, but the less I know about the main (duh) and secondary parts of the story (especially for those importing characters from ME 1& 2) the better.

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You know most Gears and Battlefield fans are fairly intelligent
People who have played the old Rainbow Six & Ghost Recons have become tactical geniuses
Then we have the brainless zombies who are Call Of Duty fans

Why does Bioware want the third set? Why not Deus Ex or Sims fans?

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Il Divo wrote...

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God forbid that a game about a war actually contains a war.


No, that would be stupid. Mass Effect 3 should be an epic drama about the struggles of an Alliance Marine during every day life. I'm sure that would be much more acceptable.


Unless you want to change the style of the game, what is your point? Aside from trying to make a remark that only shows your lack of thought in the subject?

Shepard isn't going to scratch the paint on any of the reapers with his pathethic handweapons, so your claim of "war" containing "war" is kinda odd since I predict we will see very little actual WAR, and just a strung out series of skirmishes where less than a handfull of peeps will run around and gun stuff down (Shepard and 2 companions).

Is that your idea of War?

War is massive, and is about fielding ARMIES and ARMADAS against the opposing forces. There's nothing warlike about 3 peeps running around and gunning stuff. Quite the opposite, actually. If you want war, you will need to fire up a simulatorgame or tactical game.

Claiming skirmishes are a war makes you come of as having no clues at what a supposedly "galactic war" really means.

If anything, Shepard TALKING alot would actually be closer to bringing about how to deal with a war, since war is about combined efforts, and in order to be able to combine anything you need to... communicate... Shocking, I know... :blink:

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I seriously question the legitimacy of this "story". It's another recruiting mission. And we get to save earth for the zillionth time in the history of mankind. Looks like plenty of corridor Gears of War shooting to be had, though. No thanks.

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whywhywhywhy wrote...

ME1 fan on me3: I hope everything gets resolved since this is the last game in the series.
Gears of War fan on me3: We need better grenades, this sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!

ME1 fan on ME3: Wait, why are the Reapers landing instead of bombarding the planet ?
Gears of War fan on me3: I think I like the chainsaw better then the knife, it's sok.
Halo fan on me3: These vehicles can only be played on rails, that sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!

Me2 fan on ME3: COD Dude your right let's shoot stuff!
Cod fan shoots me2 fan.
Halo fan: Ughh, you just commited murder.
COD fan: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!


Lol. Right on! :)

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Can't we combine the two. Like plot heavy exposition peppered with tiny choices while fighting a seemingly impossible battle combined with a very tight timer?

I believe even Cliff Belinsky (Gears creator) was surprised that Mass Effect 3 was about saving Earth. He had this twitter post where he said that if he did Mass Effect he wouldn't even mention Earth and design all sorts of alien environments for the player to shoot & kill in.

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if they just make a game with mass effect 1 story(or better) and the mass effect 2 gameplay and mechanics it will be the greatest game in human history

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

Can't we combine the two. Like plot heavy exposition peppered with tiny choices while fighting a seemingly impossible battle combined with a very tight timer?

It would be too much streamlined, that's more a recipe for a shooter with some story inside than for an RPG.

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I think there's a little room for improvement in terms of executing the story well and giving the consequences an air of tangiblility and this could be emphasised through gameplay not purely through dialogue and mise en scene.

I've loved everything thus far so I have faith ME3 will be phenomenal.

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whywhywhywhy wrote...

ME1 fan on me3: I hope everything gets resolved since this is the last game in the series.
Gears of War fan on me3: We need better grenades, this sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!

ME1 fan on ME3: Wait, why are the Reapers landing instead of bombarding the planet ?
Gears of War fan on me3: I think I like the chainsaw better then the knife, it's sok.
Halo fan on me3: These vehicles can only be played on rails, that sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!

Me2 fan on ME3: COD Dude your right let's shoot stuff!
Cod fan shoots me2 fan.
Halo fan: Ughh, you just commited murder.
COD fan: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!



Horrible stereotypes.

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whywhywhywhy wrote...

ME1 fan on me3: I hope everything gets resolved since this is the last game in the series.
Gears of War fan on me3: We need better grenades, this sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!

ME1 fan on ME3: Wait, why are the Reapers landing instead of bombarding the planet ?
Gears of War fan on me3: I think I like the chainsaw better then the knife, it's sok.
Halo fan on me3: These vehicles can only be played on rails, that sucks!
COD fan on me3: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!

Me2 fan on ME3: COD Dude your right let's shoot stuff!
Cod fan shoots me2 fan.
Halo fan: Ughh, you just commited murder.
COD fan: Man, I don't care. I just want to shoot stuff!!!


ME1 gameplay: press one button to become either invincible or to disable all enemies (indefinitely) - you're not fighting, but "playing" a sadistic executioner instead.

ME2, COD, GOW, HALO gameplay include enemies who actually fight back.

If you love cheating, god-mode and beating up a two year old child with a baseball bat to feel powerful - play ME1. If you like action, tactics, teamwork, and some thought - play one of the other games.

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Confused-Shepard wrote...

You know most Gears and Battlefield fans are fairly intelligent
People who have played the old Rainbow Six & Ghost Recons have become tactical geniuses
Then we have the brainless zombies who are Call Of Duty fans

Why does Bioware want the third set? Why not Deus Ex or Sims fans?


Maybe because Call of Duty: Black Ops sold 12 million copies in the U.S alone, and Modern Warfare 2 sold about 7.5 million copies? Of course you'd rather appeal to CoD fans than Deus Ex fans.

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111987 wrote...

Your ignorance and blind fanboyism is just
sad.

I would absolutely love for you to prove my "ignorance and blind fanboyism" I encourage you to try. :devil:

mauro2222 wrote...

It was pretty clear that they are harvesting, since ME1 actually... you would prefer to harvest dust and ashes.

111987 wrote...
By the way, a ME1 fan would know why the Reapers are
landing on Earth (harvesting)...[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

So in the trailer all of the people dying from being shot stomped and all the other things they can do was just my imagination ?  Or is that harvesting ?

It's simple I expect machines to be cold and calculating ridding the planet of all threats then harvesting, that's best accomplished through orbital bombardment.  Then sending down a force to deal with the pockets of resistance left over.  But hey I understand you run and gun types it's not about thinking it's all about twitch reflexes, right ?

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:04 .


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Unless you want to change the style of the game, what is your point? Aside from trying to make a remark that only shows your lack of thought in the subject?

Shepard isn't going to scratch the paint on any of the reapers with his pathethic handweapons, so your claim of "war" containing "war" is kinda odd since I predict we will see very little actual WAR, and just a strung out series of skirmishes where less than a handfull of peeps will run around and gun stuff down (Shepard and 2 companions).

Is that your idea of War?

War is massive, and is about fielding ARMIES and ARMADAS against the opposing forces. There's nothing warlike about 3 peeps running around and gunning stuff. Quite the opposite, actually. If you want war, you will need to fire up a simulatorgame or tactical game.

Claiming skirmishes are a war makes you come of as having no clues at what a supposedly "galactic war" really means.

If anything, Shepard TALKING alot would actually be closer to bringing about how to deal with a war, since war is about combined efforts, and in order to be able to combine anything you need to... communicate... Shocking, I know... :blink:


Gathering large armies on the ground or near the planet's surface is just stupid. Why? Orbital bombardment or bombardment from the safe side of the solar system. I think the Reapers are more than capable of that.

Plus, it's been proven that a small strike force can accomplish what an army couldn't.

Wars don't need to have massive armies a la Lord of the Rings to be classified as such either.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:31 .


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Call of Mass 3?