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[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

It's really hard keeping up much hope up for the Dragon Age franchise. And I speak as a fan of both DA and anime. This visual style stands for everything I consider wrong with the direction DA has taken, and this ugly cel shading CGI crap represents one of the worst forms of "anime" I can think of, which I'd hardly even call anime. I'm usually trying to approach things with an open mind, but everything I saw, heard and read about this project makes me want to cry.

I'm personally holding out for "so bad it's good" territory here. If that ends up happening, me, a poorly translated version of this, some fellow nerds, and a bottle of jack have an appointment some time in 2012.

[Wulfram]

I'm surprised how much they seem to have taken directly from Origins. We see Cassandra doing the jump from the Ogre killing animation and her following the Riordan school of Dragon killing. While the Golems, Dragons and Demons all look pretty much exact.

[TEWR]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

It's really hard keeping up much hope up for the Dragon Age franchise. And I speak as a fan of both DA and anime. This visual style stands for everything I consider wrong with the direction DA has taken, and this ugly cel shading CGI crap represents one of the worst forms of "anime" I can think of, which I'd hardly even call anime. I'm usually trying to approach things with an open mind, but everything I saw, heard and read about this project makes me want to cry.

Personally I happen to like the CGI anime. Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn used it as the style for their cutscenes and I think it worked really well.

Granted they're two video games and not a movie, but it was very well executed and I liked it. Though some of the mook NPCs had horrible VAs -- which you'll see in the second link right away -- but the main characters had great VAs:


Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance cutscenes

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn cutscenes part 1

Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn cutscenes part 2


Side note: I hope a Fire Emblem game comes to a console and is fully voiced over. That'd be amazing.

Dave Exclamation Mark Yogonaut wrote....

also, the inherent humor in them making a dragon age anime after all the JRPG complaints. I seriously thought they were trolling people or doing some kind of viral marketing stunt until I saw the IMDB page and realized someone is actually spending money to make this.

1) They may have decided to make this prior to the JRPG complaints.

2) making an anime doesn't mean the entire franchise will turn into a complete JRPG.

3) Dragon Age could actually stand to see some JRPG elements, at least in terms of gameplay. 

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:12 .

[TEWR]

Wulfram wrote...

I'm surprised how much they seem to have taken directly from Origins. We see Cassandra doing the jump from the Ogre killing animation and her following the Riordan school of Dragon killing. While the Golems, Dragons and Demons all look pretty much exact.

I noticed all that as well and I have to say I'm glad they're doing all of that.

I hate though how they're using the new Darkspawn style, but I can kinda understand it since DAII did these changes and I doubt they're allowed to make any sort of tweaks to it.

Though I would've preferred DAO's Ogres over DAII's.

[Some Geth]

Wulfram wrote...

Presumably Bioware are thinking "Hey, we might get some japanese people to buy our game" and Funimation are thinking "Hey, we might get some westerners to watch out stuff".

Plus, a decent live action Dragon Age film would require a huge budget and western animation is stuck as a kids medium.

The Japanese did buy their game and Funimation has westerners who watch and buy their stuff.

Oh and western animation is not stuck as a "kids medium". 

Also DA:O plays like a JRPG, still don't know why no one gets that.

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:27 .

[Meris]

Some Geth wrote...

Also DA:O plays like a JRPG, still don't know why no one gets that.

From the top of my head, I'd agree with this assertion as far as combat goes but only partially. Both the JRPGs (I've played, which are all very very old) and BioWare games have their combat tuned as strategy games, though one is traditionally turn based and the other, real time based.

Isn't the definition of Anime animation from Japan? Of course it doesn't look like your average shojo or shonen manhwa, its supposed to be in line with DA2's art direction.

Modifié par Meris, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Wulfram]

Some Geth wrote...
The Japanese did buy their game and Funimation has westerners who watch and buy their stuff.

Some.  I'm sure they'd like more.

Oh and western animation is not stuck as a "kids medium".

Yes it is.  Well, kids and comedy I suppose.  Occasionally people try to defy this, but I don't think they have much success convincing a wide audience.

[TEWR]

for DAO playing like a JRPG somewhat, that's true. it happens to utilize the same system of commands FFXII had -- the gambit system -- so that's a JRPG point.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:40 .

[Meris]

Does it really matter what is the general perception of animation if you're targetting a core audience, presumably Anime fans and DA fans, who, respectively, do not perceive Anime as a kids medium and certainly won't expect a DA story to be directed at children. This should be even more evident from the fact that the movie'll be direct to DVD in the US.

Imagine if, God forbid, this movie wasn't a side story but rather an adaptation from either Dragon Ages' story. The Connor arc wouldn't be for the kids.

[Some Geth]

DA:O gameplat as in the combat is very much like FFXII, no really go watch some vids or play it.

And yeah if this movie gets more fans the better I say.

As for comedy western cartoons being just for kids have you seen Adventure Time? or hell anything on Cartoon Network nowadays?

[Meris]

Some Geth wrote...

DA:O gameplat as in the combat is very much like FFXII, no really go watch some vids or play it.

Its rather bizarre that I forgot about FFXII, being my favorite final fantasy from the post FF VII era (in which I include VII). 

Ironically, FFXII is closer to DA:O than DA2, so much for 2 being a JRPG. Or perhaps the word JRPG means as much as 'dumbed down' in the BSN?

Modifié par Meris, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:41 .

[Some Geth]

Meris wrote...

Does it really matter what is the general perception of animation if you're targetting a core audience, presumably Anime fans and DA fans, who, respectively, do not perceive Anime as a kids medium and certainly won't expect a DA story to be directed at children. This should be even more evident from the fact that the movie'll be direct to DVD in the US.

Imagine if, God forbid, this movie wasn't a side story but rather an adaptation from either Dragon Ages' story. The Connor arc wouldn't be for the kids.

But then again kid anime(or well old ones) can get away with a lot.

 

Also yeah DA2 is less like a JRPG than DA:O.

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:43 .

[TEWR]

Adventure time is now one of my favorite shows. While I dislike the animation style, I think it's probably one of the best new shows to grace Cartoon Network since the fall of Toonami -- R.I.P. Toonami. You will be missed -- and the subsequent lack of showing the old shows I grew up with.

Also, Jake's a beast.

And it does deal with some very heavy, non-kid appropriate stuff sometimes.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:47 .

[Some Geth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Adventure time is now one of my favorite shows. While I dislike the animation style, I think it's probably one of the best new shows to grace Cartoon Network since the fall of Toonami -- R.I.P. Toonami. You will be missed -- and the subsequent lack of showing the old shows I grew up with.

Also, Jake's a beast.

But it is the type of show that needs an animation style like the one it has.

Also watch Young Justice.

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:49 .

[Meris]

[Double Post]

Modifié par Meris, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:53 .

[Meris]

Some Geth wrote...  

Meris wrote...

Imagine if, God forbid, this movie wasn't a side story but rather an adaptation from either Dragon Ages' story. The Connor arc wouldn't be for the kids.

But then again kid anime(or well old ones) can get away with a lot.

 

Yes indeedy, and its my turn to ask*: let's say, while I laugh a bit, that all Anime is targetted at children, so what's the problem, exactly? I mean, if by targetting children you can produce two extremes like extremely gory and violent anime and Kung Fu Panda, I think a DA story tends to go for the former.

*REFERENCE

Modifié par Meris, 23 décembre 2011 - 09:55 .

[TEWR]

Some Geth wrote...

But it is the type of show that needs an animation style like the one it has.

I dunno, I think it could've had the people looking better than they do. Unless you mean as a way to kinda make it feel less dark than it really is sometimes, in which case I agree and disagree. I think it could've still felt not as dark as the themes of the episode can be with a different animation style.

Also watch Young Justice.

I think I've seen a few episodes of that. Good show. Does Cartoon Network still show it?

[Some Geth]

Meris wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

But then again kid anime(or well old ones) can get away with a lot.

 

Oh, yes indeedy and its your turn to ask a question*. If that's animation targetted at children, what's the problem with being targetted at children anyway?

*REFERENCE INCOMING

The manga is even better.

From this http://www.mangaread...hapter-197.html to this http://www.mangaread...hapter-198.html and then last to this http://www.mangaread...hapter-198.html not the best way to go but hey it's for kids!


Oh and there is nothing wrong with something targetter at children at all.

And no I mean it fits the feel of Adventure Time well and yes they still show Young Justice when they want to that is.<_<

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Meris]

Some Geth wrote...
Oh and there is nothing wrong with something targetter at children at all.

Well, I do get you don't think so, but its nearly funny some of the conclusions people are drawing around here. The Anime is a failure either because:

A) Its another way BioWare to not stand true to its 'non-JRPGy' roots.

Because people think animation is for children, so they won't watch it.

C) Because it will be targetted at children, therefore it will suck like all things that are targetted at children. Two fallacies in one, though one is understandable.

[TEWR]

Ah okay. Yea it does fit the feeling, but I think other styles could've also fit as well.

[Some Geth]

Meris wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
Oh and there is nothing wrong with something targetter at children at all.

Well, I do get you don't think so, but its nearly funny some of the conclusions people are drawing around here. The Anime is a failure either because:

A) Its another way BioWare to not stand true to its 'non-JRPGy' roots.

Because people think animation is for children, so they won't watch it.

C) Because it will be targetted at children, therefore it will suck like all things that are targetted at children. Two fallacies in one, though one is understandable.

And them people are kind of stupid in my view.

And to Redux well we will never know.

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:10 .

[TEWR]

Also -- and this isn't currently directed at anyone -- I still watch Pokemon. You don't have to be a kid to enjoy some of the shows out there like some of the forumites believe. Hell, the MLP fans out there are evidence of that.

Pokemon tends to have some very adult themes in their episodes if you actually look for them. Hell they've dealt with poaching in some of their episodes and have killed off characters -- both Pokemon and people -- before.

And you're right. We never will.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[Some Geth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Also -- and this isn't currently directed at anyone -- I still watch Pokemon. You don't have to be a kid to enjoy some of the shows out there like some of the forumites believe. Hell, the MLP fans out there are evidence of that.

Pokemon tends to have some very adult themes in their episodes if you actually look for them. Hell they've dealt with poaching in some of their episodes and have killed off characters -- both Pokemon and people -- before.

And you're right. We never will.

Pokémon is a fine a show, most people think it got bad but I say it has been at the same level since the start.

MLP is a good show, it is good for kids and anyone to have.

And again some kid stuff is very good and has adult themes and can be really dark(looks at Hunter x Hunter, oh how I love you).

Modifié par Some Geth, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:19 .

[Morroian]

Meris wrote...

Well, I do get you don't think so, but its nearly funny some of the conclusions people are drawing around here. The Anime is a failure either because:

A) Its another way BioWare to not stand true to its 'non-JRPGy' roots.

Which ignores the fact that it was first announced well before DA2 was announced.

[TEWR]

Some Geth wrote...

Pokémon is a fine a show, most people think it got bad but I say it has been at the same level since the start.

I think it did lose some quality, for a few reasons:

1) The VAs changed for Ash, Professor Oak, and other main characters. For the fanbase, this was not well received because the voices we had grown up with now vanished and were replaced with voices that didn't really fit with the characters.

2) Ash is still 10. At least 3 times in the series they have said that "it's been a year since such and such happened", meaning Ash should be at least 13 by now. I guess they want to keep it targeted to the kids still, but this wouldn't require Ash being stuck in Groundhog Day for the rest of his life.

3) Ash forgot everything he learned and is now a novice trainer again. I guess again, they're doing this under the same line of thought for his age, but Ash doesn't need to be a novice again for the new fans to be introduced to key concepts about the world.

4) Iris constantly saying "such a kid!". It got old real fast and made me want to slap her. So anytime I hear her say that I just kinda go "Ugh....."

It's still a great show -- and the moves now look better -- but it's lost some of what made it great in the attempt to make it more kid-friendly when that was unnecessary.


But I think now we're straying too far off topic.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 décembre 2011 - 10:34 .