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[ProdigalKnight]

What are your thoughts on the fact that Udina was pretty-much made councilor at the end of ME1?  I'm personally a big fan of Anderson, & I nominated him as councilor, but Mass Effect: Retribution, the recent comic Conviction, as well as the upcoming novel Deception, have made it known that Anderson was promoted to Admiral, & Udina took the spot.  How does that work when alot of people choose the exact opposite?  Any thoughts and comments are appreciated.

[GodWood]

I imagine in ME3 if you chose Anderson as councilor he'll say he quit and that's the last you'll hear of it.

[ladyvader]

GodWood wrote...

I imagine in ME3 if you chose Anderson as councilor he'll say he quit and that's the last you'll hear of it.

There better be something mentioned to why Udina is Councilor.  Anderson is Councilor in most of my play throughs. 

When writing fiction that is based on players choices, the writer has to go one way or another, but if Anderson is no longer Councilor, BW better have an explaination in game to why he stepped down.

[ProdigalKnight]

Good point, but in my opinion, it seems like an error on the story department's part. I thought it was supposed to be a choice of the players, not the developers to change once many people have chosen.

[ProdigalKnight]

I agree ladyvader!

[GodWood]

ladyvader wrote...
There better be something mentioned to why Udina is Councilor.  Anderson is Councilor in most of my play throughs. 

When writing fiction that is based on players choices, the writer has to go one way or another, but if Anderson is no longer Councilor, BW better have an explaination in game to why he stepped down.

Well we already know Anderson didn't like being Councilor so I imagine he'll say something like "I didn't like being Councilor".

[Pockles]

If they make Udina Councilor not matter what, I'm going to be pissed. They may as well have not given us a choice at all in that case.

[AdmiralCheez]

ladyvader wrote...

There better be something mentioned to why Udina is Councilor.  Anderson is Councilor in most of my play throughs.

Me, too.

When writing fiction that is based on players choices, the writer has to go one way or another, but if Anderson is no longer Councilor, BW better have an explaination in game to why he stepped down.

I think they will.

But I don't think picking Anderson is in vain, since he was in office for two years.  The political environment will no doubt have changed just a little thanks to his presence.

Also, having him as Councilor makes it easier to get your Spectre status back.

[Quething]

Didn't he quit in one of the novels?

Choosing Anderson will still make a difference to some playthroughs, as the "still a Spectre/dead Council" combination will only be available to those players. But yeah, it does rather put the mocking, dismissive lie to the concept of meaningful player choice, doesn't it?

Edit: Cheez!

Modifié par Quething, 23 septembre 2011 - 08:57 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Maybe Councilor Udina will be present during the trial and Commander Shepard can say that he'd recommended Anderson for the job but everyone there will insist that he's crazy and it never happened.

[Mykel54]

Let me put this clear: bioware said that your choice of councilor will matter. In fact if you look carefully in ME2 (tip: listen to citadel newsnet) you already get some inks of what each councilor politics look like. Also, in the novels the author takes the freedom to make some choices of his own, otherwise it would be impossible to write them. This has nothing to do with what happens in your game.

If Anderson is councilor then in ME3 he will have some special excuse for appearing at shepard´s trial, like leaving Udina in charge temporaly while he goes to try and help you in the trial. Either way, Udina would end up acting as politician (councilor or not) while Anderson gets caught in the whole reaper invasion of earth while trying to help shepard, no matter if he is admiral or councilor.

I honestly don´t know why so many people have this idea that Anderson will be retconned as councilor, bioware said very clearly that the choice will matter, even if in ME3 Anderson is on earth, so he can´t do much politics with the reapers on his head.

In my opinion the most important part is not who is councilor at the start of ME3, but in those 2 years that shepard were dead, what has the human councilor done to prepare agaisnt the reapers or make humanity´s position stronger on the council. It will make a difference and my guess is that it will vary of how prepared humanity is to face the reapers, or how easily shepard is able to recruit allies.

Modifié par Mykel54, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:27 .

[bleetman]

Quething wrote...

Didn't he quit in one of the novels?

Yes, though as far as I remember he's refered to as a 'promiment political figure' following the battle for the citadel, rather than specifically a counciler, so it could go either way.

Modifié par bleetman, 23 septembre 2011 - 09:37 .

[ElitePinecone]

In Mass Effect Retribution, Udina is the Councilor and Anderson is his adviser.

During the course of the novel Anderson quits as the adviser to help another character deal with Cerberus (and he goes on a bunch of adventures in the new book as well).

I emailed Drew Karpyshyn about the discrepancy (why was Anderson not Councilor even when players had made him that) and he seemed to suggest that it was necessary for the story for that to happen, and that he understood that it wasn't what all players had done.

It's possible that after the end of ME2, Councilor Anderson's dislike of the job led to him promoting Udina to Councilor anyway, which would then allow him to be an adviser in time for Karpyshyn's novel whether or not he was chosen as that by the player.

So basically: if Anderson was Councilor at the end of ME2 he steps down to do other things some time before the start of ME3. It's not a great explanation, but the writers seem to want to have Udina as the Councilor for some reason in ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

Here's an interesting thought experiment:

Just what in the plot of any of the written media would have to change if Anderson were Councilor and Udina was his adviser?

[ProdigalKnight]

All great responses & views! Thanks for your thoughts guys.

[Ryzaki]

If Udina's councilor I better be able to renuke the council.

[Iakus]

Prodical95 wrote...

Good point, but in my opinion, it seems like an error on the story department's part. I thought it was supposed to be a choice of the players, not the developers to change once many people have chosen.

Sure it's the player's choice.  And if the player chooses wrong, the game will "gently nudge" the story back on track.

[Oblivious]

Ryzaki wrote...

If Udina's councilor I better be able to renuke the council.

This. With the exception of the Salarian councilor (he never says much) if Udina is councilor then I officially hate the entire council and they can die.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Quething wrote...

Didn't he quit in one of the novels?

He never actually did. Retribution started with him already as an advisor for [Councilor] Udina. It is, however, assumed that he stepped down and let Udina take his position at some point between ME2 and Retribution.

And no worries here; I'm confident this will be covered in ME3--if only with a couple lines of dialogue.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 24 septembre 2011 - 08:11 .