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[Jedi Master of Orion]

Having recently played Through Shepherding Wolves for the third time and this time handing Ketojen over to Arvaraad, I have to admit his reaction is a little less hostile than I remember it. He still may still freak out at the very thought of loose mages but he did talk a little like he did actually respect him somewhat.

[Sharn01]

labargegrrrl wrote...

the qunari are complete monsters to mages. but i will give them one cookie for this: they don't practice the rite of tranquility. or, at least, it doesn't seem like they do.

Seems that Qunari have something very similer to the right of tranquility but they use it on anyone, not just mages.  They have a lot of mindless slave labor that they use, basicly those that do not follow the qun and cant be reeducated are made into mindless labor, while I dont know if its the same as tranquility, it sounds very similer.

[labargegrrrl]

Sharn01 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

the qunari are complete monsters to mages. but i will give them one cookie for this: they don't practice the rite of tranquility. or, at least, it doesn't seem like they do.

Seems that Qunari have something very similer to the right of tranquility but they use it on anyone, not just mages.  They have a lot of mindless slave labor that they use, basicly those that do not follow the qun and cant be reeducated are made into mindless labor, while I dont know if its the same as tranquility, it sounds very similer.

fair point.  no cookies for qunari then!

[Urzon]

Sharn01 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

the qunari are complete monsters to mages. but i will give them one cookie for this: they don't practice the rite of tranquility. or, at least, it doesn't seem like they do.

Seems that Qunari have something very similer to the right of tranquility but they use it on anyone, not just mages.  They have a lot of mindless slave labor that they use, basicly those that do not follow the qun and cant be reeducated are made into mindless labor, while I dont know if its the same as tranquility, it sounds very similer.

I guess it depends on how mindless is mindless. While tranquility can be evil, it leaves the tranquil anything but mindless. They can still make choices and whatnot. They just lack the emotions.

If the qunari method leaves the person brain-dead, while still retaining motor fuctions, i don't see any difference between that and just killing them outright. The body might be moving around but the people is dead on the inside, without any chance of recovery. Since the Qunari believe that the body is just a shell for the soul, and it leaves upon death, they don't see anything wrong with using the body they were just going to get rid of.

I think the most disturbing thing about this is, that the Qunari could easily have a zombie (voodoo not hollywood) army. They might be wielding a shovel at the moment, but it easy to give them a sword and say, "Swing <-- way."

[Fox In The Box]

labargegrrrl wrote...

fair point.  no cookies for qunari then!

Sten disapproves infinitely.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 02 novembre 2011 - 08:15 .

[xiiFezz]

I don't think they "hate" Mages but more fear them for the power they with hold like the Chantry/Templars do. Thats just my opinion.

[labargegrrrl]

Urzon wrote...

Sharn01 wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

the qunari are complete monsters to mages. but i will give them one cookie for this: they don't practice the rite of tranquility. or, at least, it doesn't seem like they do.

Seems that Qunari have something very similer to the right of tranquility but they use it on anyone, not just mages.  They have a lot of mindless slave labor that they use, basicly those that do not follow the qun and cant be reeducated are made into mindless labor, while I dont know if its the same as tranquility, it sounds very similer.

I guess it depends on how mindless is mindless. While tranquility can be evil, it leaves the tranquil anything but mindless. They can still make choices and whatnot. They just lack the emotions.

Um...no.  Not going to do the rabid mage fan forum version of murderknife over it.  Just    

[labargegrrrl]

Fox In The Box wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

fair point.  no cookies for qunari then!

Sten disapproves infinitely.

he shouldn't have expected more.  we all know the cake is a lie.  

[Bayz]

Qunari holy war for the cookies!!

[Sons of Horus]

Bayz wrote...

Qunari holy war for the cookies!!

Sounds a good idea to me.

[Fox In The Box]

Bayz wrote...

Qunari holy war for the cookies!!

To arms, my brothers! Load your cannons with gingerbread men and cupcakes!

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[Bayz]

The Qun started to hate mages because they once made a rage demon possess one Arishok's chips ahoy and it almost choked him. The skies are clear now!

[jamesp81]

Fox In The Box wrote...

labargegrrrl wrote...

fair point.  no cookies for qunari then!

Sten disapproves infinitely.

Sten can go die in a fire then:devil:

[Joy Divison]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Having recently played Through Shepherding Wolves for the third time and this time handing Ketojen over to Arvaraad, I have to admit his reaction is a little less hostile than I remember it. He still may still freak out at the very thought of loose mages but he did talk a little like he did actually respect him somewhat.

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Tell him Bethany is a mage and you'll see him freak out that you are *related* to one.  His reaction is worse than saying, "there are no more oreos."

Modifié par Joy Divison, 02 novembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[Lazy Jer]

Just wanted to toss in my two coppers.

Asking what the Qunari think about mages is a bit like asking what the Templars think about mages.  There's a party line of the Chantry "Magic is ment to help mankind, not rule over him" and there's the beliefs of the individual members (Thrask's opinion differs greatly from Cullen's for example).

You see less of this in the Qunari because (a) you don't see them as much and ( let's face it they're less vocal with their opinions anyway, but I have no doubt that you'll have what the Qun's party line on the subject of magic and you'll have different reactions from different individual members.

Say can I have a cookie?

[Wereparrot]

I think they employed mages when they attacked Kirkwall. So they are hypocrites.

[Sylvianus]

If you want really to know, let them know your sister is a mage, and you'll see their reaction. 
They even feel insulted. ' You spat on me. '

Mages are like wolves of war. They are educated, ready to be used as tools, tamed.

But they are considered dangerous if they are seen in nature, free, without no necklace, no chain, and no master to oversee them.

Considered as wild animals. So that's not hate,  but may be a logical and thought entirely different.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 02 novembre 2011 - 04:42 .

[AnniLau]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

Now, following the logic of Anders (killing innocent people peripheral to the actual problem in order to create a bigger problem)

If you're talking about the Revered Mother, she wasn't peripheral. She was the head of the Chantry in Kirkwall and therefore the only person in a position to at least attempt to control Meredith, but she refused. Repeatedly.

She may not have abused the mages directly, but she still had a responsibility to them. She wasn't innocent.


Oh, and on topic, I think the Qunari view mages as dangerous, but useful, tools.

Modifié par AnniLau, 02 novembre 2011 - 04:35 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Joy Divison wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Having recently played Through Shepherding Wolves for the third time and this time handing Ketojen over to Arvaraad, I have to admit his reaction is a little less hostile than I remember it. He still may still freak out at the very thought of loose mages but he did talk a little like he did actually respect him somewhat.

.

Tell him Bethany is a mage and you'll see him freak out that you are *related* to one.  His reaction is worse than saying, "there are no more oreos."

That was actually the very first choice I made the first time I played the game. I thought it was actually a little hilarious, especially considering asking your companions to chime in uusally solves the situation without combat.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 novembre 2011 - 09:42 .

[dsl08002]

The qunari hates magic more than anything else, you´ve seen how they treat their mages.

If a qunari would be given the choice of either hunt down and kill a mage or spread the qun they choose to hunt the mage down and kill it.

[Bayz]

They actually love them. Specially with BBQ sauce.

Saarebas Subway FTW

[KJandrew]

dsl08002 wrote...

The qunari hates magic more than anything else, you´ve seen how they treat their mages.

They don't hate them, they see them as deffective and dangerous tools. They pity them and will attempt to use them as best they can.

If a qunari would be given the choice of either hunt down and kill a mage or spread the qun they choose to hunt the mage down and kill it.

And you're basing this off what?

[labargegrrrl]

sarebas is a role. i don't think hate or love or fear factor into roles in the qun. which makes it worse, in my view. "The opposite of love is not hate, but indifference."

so no cookies.

[dsl08002]

KJandrew wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

The qunari hates magic more than anything else, you´ve seen how they treat their mages.

They don't hate them, they see them as deffective and dangerous tools. They pity them and will attempt to use them as best they can.

If a qunari would be given the choice of either hunt down and kill a mage or spread the qun they choose to hunt the mage down and kill it.

And you're basing this off what?

If you speak to Sten in Origins if you have high approval of him you often hear him speak about magic in a hostile way and i belive one of the response about that was this:

" what is this poisinous hate coming from" 

Then its the Shepherding quest in DA2 when you escort a saarebas and you meet the qunari who is responsible for keeping them leashed, if you have Anders in the Party then talk to him the qunari shouted out that Anders is mage and that the qun demanded Anders death. 

But that conversation just proves that the qunari hates magic
 



 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

In Arvaraad's case, that's probably because it was his role to hunt or leash mages not to enlighten bas about the Qun.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 02 novembre 2011 - 11:46 .