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[KJandrew]

dsl08002 wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

dsl08002 wrote...

The qunari hates magic more than anything else, you´ve seen how they treat their mages.

They don't hate them, they see them as deffective and dangerous tools. They pity them and will attempt to use them as best they can.

If a qunari would be given the choice of either hunt down and kill a mage or spread the qun they choose to hunt the mage down and kill it.

And you're basing this off what?

If you speak to Sten in Origins if you have high approval of him you often hear him speak about magic in a hostile way and i belive one of the response about that was this:

" what is this poisinous hate coming from" 

Then its the Shepherding quest in DA2 when you escort a saarebas and you meet the qunari who is responsible for keeping them leashed, if you have Anders in the Party then talk to him the qunari shouted out that Anders is mage and that the qun demanded Anders death. 

But that conversation just proves that the qunari hates magic
 



 

Hositility does not equal hate. Damn near everyone in Thedas is hostile towards mages.
The Arvaard is a mage hunter, its safe to assume he doesn't like mages. Plus Qunari say that Mages if left unatteneded will become possessed by spirits and do damage to those around them. Anders is possessed and sets of a giant explosion in the middle of a city, killing dozens at least and starting a international war.
You claimed that given the chance to kill a mage or serve the Qun a Qunari would kill a mage. Yet you've not given any evidence for this. Sten, the Arishok, Tallis, The Sten looking for his lost patrol and Taarbas are all willing to work with a mage as it serves the Qun rather than trying to murder him.

[Spartansfan8888]

So how is Sten in Origins able to follow a mage warden? Is it just because he is not arvaarad therefore his role doesn't have anything to do with mage control so he can let it go? Wouldn't he be overly concerned that the mage is really possessed? Does he see Alistair the former templar as the warden's arvaarad?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

[TEWR]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

[TheJediSaint]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

I'm pretty sure Sten is of the Beressad and answers to the Arishock, while any member of the Ben-Hassrath would answer to the Ariqun (I think).  So I'm pretty sure that Sten is not of the Ben-Hassrath.  Now with that being said, I'm not exactly sure what the Beressad are.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 03 novembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[Spartansfan8888]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

Can they really? Did one of the writers just say that or has there been an example given? Obviously not all mages would be placed into the army but I feel like a mage in the Ben-Hassrath or any other profession would just be a tool for their arvaarad.

[TEWR]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

Can they really? Did one of the writers just say that or has there been an example given? Obviously not all mages would be placed into the army but I feel like a mage in the Ben-Hassrath or any other profession would just be a tool for their arvaarad.

Taarbas the Qunari in Act 3 can say that a Mage Hawke would be Ben-Hassrath -- and the weapon he gives you is a weapon for a Ben-Hassrath who hasn't been brought to the Qun yet -- and Mary Kirby said somewhere on the forums that mages are a part of the Ben-Hassrath.

They're watched very carefully though by the Qunari.

[TEWR]

TheJediSaint wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

I'm pretty sure Sten is of the Beressad and answers to the Arishock, while any member of the Ben-Hassrath would answer to the Ariqun (I think).  So I'm pretty sure that Sten is not of the Ben-Hassrath.  Now with that being said, I'm not exactly sure what the Beressad are.

No you misunderstand. Sten says "Are you sure you're not an Ashkaari? You must be to find a single lost blade in a country at war."

I wasn't saying Sten is the Ashkaari. I was saying the Warden is. I just tend to say "he" when I refer to the Warden since all my Wardens are male.

[Spartansfan8888]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

Can they really? Did one of the writers just say that or has there been an example given? Obviously not all mages would be placed into the army but I feel like a mage in the Ben-Hassrath or any other profession would just be a tool for their arvaarad.

Taarbas the Qunari in Act 3 can say that a Mage Hawke would be Ben-Hassrath -- and the weapon he gives you is a weapon for a Ben-Hassrath who hasn't been brought to the Qun yet -- and Mary Kirby said somewhere on the forums that mages are a part of the Ben-Hassrath.

They're watched very carefully though by the Qunari.

That's interesting... it would be cool to see Seheron or Par Vollen and the whole of Qunari society. I doubt we will though until they invent enough Qunari language for them to speak it regularly haha.

[TEWR]

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Spartansfan8888 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

Can they really? Did one of the writers just say that or has there been an example given? Obviously not all mages would be placed into the army but I feel like a mage in the Ben-Hassrath or any other profession would just be a tool for their arvaarad.

Taarbas the Qunari in Act 3 can say that a Mage Hawke would be Ben-Hassrath -- and the weapon he gives you is a weapon for a Ben-Hassrath who hasn't been brought to the Qun yet -- and Mary Kirby said somewhere on the forums that mages are a part of the Ben-Hassrath.

They're watched very carefully though by the Qunari.

That's interesting... it would be cool to see Seheron or Par Vollen and the whole of Qunari society. I doubt we will though until they invent enough Qunari language for them to speak it regularly haha.

That's a good point. Most Qunari don't speak the common language that Thedas speaks and instead speak their own Qunari language per a DG post IIRC. How much of that language DG and the rest at Bioware have made is unknown, but that's a big reason why most Qunari stay silent. They don't really know the Thedosian language and are ashamed of that fact.

We might end up seeing Rivain's Qunari territory one day which would in theory speak the Thedosian language.

[TheJediSaint]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No you misunderstand. Sten says "Are you sure you're not an Ashkaari? You must be to find a single lost blade in a country at war."

I wasn't saying Sten is the Ashkaari. I was saying the Warden is. I just tend to say "he" when I refer to the Warden since all my Wardens are male.

Ah, so I did.  My apologies.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

I think the reason that Sten does not fear the Warden mage, and the mages in his company, is more because Sten would consider a Grey Warden Basvaarad than anything else. In the company of an Arvaarad (or Basvaarad) a Qunari have no need to fear a mage.

[Spartansfan8888]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I expect it's partly because he is not an arvaraad and partly because Sten comes to see the Warden as unique among bas.

That and the fact that he'd be an Ashkaari, which I think is a part of the Ben-Hassrath. And mages can be part of the Ben-Hassrath.

I think the reason that Sten does not fear the Warden mage, and the mages in his company, is more because Sten would consider a Grey Warden Basvaarad than anything else. In the company of an Arvaarad (or Basvaarad) a Qunari have no need to fear a mage.

So in this case Warden>Mage in regards to what Sten considers the Warden?

[EmperorSahlertz]

More or less, yes. The same way as to why he accepts a female warrior: because they are a Warden.

[dragonflight288]

Sten doesn't necessarily accept her as a Warden though. He sees her as a woman and her deeds in battle, but is completely confused because women fighting doesn't even fit in his mind.

Sten: You look like a woman.
Warden: I AM a woman.
Sten: You can't be. You fight. You're good at it, so I'm confused, you can't be a woman yet you look like one.

Based on his view and Tallis, I think the Ariqun and the Arishok view woman differently in how they can accomplish their goals.

[TEWR]

David Gaider said that Sten would consider the Wardens an army unto themselves, and Qunari society dictates that the army's soldiers -- the ones who do the actual fighting -- should be composed of all males.

So that's why Sten's confused by a female Warden. He'll still follow her, but in his eyes she's a woman who is a man.

So to speak. She's trying to fit desperately into a man's shoes in his eyes.