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[Count Viceroy]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I buy all BW games. They are worth buying.

[Craig McDermott]

IIsatar wrote...

"Just putting the basics on DA:O"? Are you kidding me? That has been adressed 4000000001 times already. If you think Bioware is shafting you on content then you...well, there's not much hope for you.

He was talking about DRM...

[wonko33]

If I think something is worth playing, I pay for it.

If something is not worth buying, why would I want it anyway?

And if i'm broke, there are plenty of bargain games that have been out for a while, or sales, and if not I play an old game I have. I don't like sending my money to huge corporations either, but I do want the people who make these great games to have jobs, so I pay.

Modifié par wonko33, 01 novembre 2009 - 06:23 .

[McAdams]

Pirates hurt a company's profits. Companies counter that by offering add-ons and bonuses pirates do not give out. Life goes on.

[JessicaGlenn]

Yes, even now the 360 pirates won't be getting the Stone prisoner and various "available at start" bonuses that buyers will get.

[pewbz]

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate and raise two points here:

a) http://www.independe...ll-1812776.html

I think this might hold true for gamers as well.

wonko33: If someone actually IS broke and will never, ever buy the game.. but still wants to play it.. Who is hurt by the piracy? I think that's called a victimless crime


Excuse me while I go find me a cozy sh*tstorm-proof bunker.

Modifié par pewbz, 01 novembre 2009 - 10:22 .

[Icinix]

..I don't condone piracy, and I would never succumb to it, but by frakking hell. Some of the DRM issues I've come into have been shocking and I've wondered if it would easier. But that's the price we pay for living in a world where people believe they deserve something for nothing.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

Talking about piracy is forbidden, it doesn't matter if you endorse it or are calling for people to buy the game.

That you need to buy it is self-evident, it doesn't need a topic.

[SillyJerry]

Considering there was a massive banning of modded xbox's last week.. im not really worried this time.

[Terwox_]

A little something alot off people choose to ignore. Quite a few download a pirated game to test if the game is actually worth paying for.

And before you all start to flame me, keep in mind I didn't say I condone such actions. I'm just saying not everyone who download pirated games does it to screw over the developers/publishers. Hell, some people might not be in a position to afford the game otherwise at the time or for a long period off time. And tnen there's the large portion of downloaders who also have the legal game when they download a pirated game. In case you wonder why, its coz alot off people can't be arsed to change out dvd's everytime they want to play another game. So getting those ISO's and using virtual DVD software in place of dvd swapping is preferable for them.

Modifié par Terwox_, 01 novembre 2009 - 10:28 .

[Fraevar]

After the ME PC debacle concerning DRM, I'm actually feeling just a little bit of smug satisfaction that it's a console version, not a PC version of DA:O that's been leaked. Sorry, but that's just how I feel, not that I condone piracy, and as others have said, the pirates miss out on the DLC, and all the extra features that the Social Site brings.

Modifié par Delerius_Jedi, 01 novembre 2009 - 10:28 .

[Terwox_]

Delerius_Jedi wrote...

After the ME PC debacle concerning DRM, I'm actually feeling just a little bit of smug satisfaction that it's a console version, not a PC version of DA:O that's been leaked. Sorry, but that's just how I feel, not that I condone piracy, and as others have said, the pirates miss out on the DLC, and all the extra features that the Social Site brings.

I also find that whole "situation" rather amusing.

[sypherin]

Already pre-ordered but I'm clawing my skin waiting and considering getting this through 'other means'..

[Jonp382]

 HeathenKing you made my morning.

I don't think anyone here is going to steal the game. I mean every now and then you have fools who pirated the game post in the other BioWare help forums, but 99% of us are buying the game.

[AviramG]

pewbz wrote...


wonko33: If someone actually IS broke and will never, ever buy the game.. but still wants to play it.. Who is hurt by the piracy? I think that's called a victimless crime

Excuse me while I go find me a cozy sh*tstorm-proof bunker.

I think it's a matter of law, not of personal preference, so it's kind of pointless to argue for personal preference..  in fact I think that's what law is for.  The victim in that case is probably the whole of society and economics.
I may as well decide that I'm broke and will never ever buy a car, and then ... well, you follow me.

[ByblosHex]

AviramG wrote...

pewbz wrote...


wonko33: If someone actually IS broke and will never, ever buy the game.. but still wants to play it.. Who is hurt by the piracy? I think that's called a victimless crime

Excuse me while I go find me a cozy sh*tstorm-proof bunker.

I think it's a matter of law, not of personal preference, so it's kind of pointless to argue for personal preference..  in fact I think that's what law is for.  The victim in that case is probably the whole of society and economics.
I may as well decide that I'm broke and will never ever buy a car, and then ... well, you follow me.

I don't know about all of that. I mean, the law? Seriously? Has anyone ever been convicted in a criminal case for pirating a video game? Ever?

[pewbz]

AviramG wrote...

pewbz wrote...


wonko33: If someone actually IS broke and will never, ever buy the game.. but still wants to play it.. Who is hurt by the piracy? I think that's called a victimless crime

Excuse me while I go find me a cozy sh*tstorm-proof bunker.

I think it's a matter of law, not of personal preference, so it's kind of pointless to argue for personal preference..  in fact I think that's what law is for.  The victim in that case is probably the whole of society and economics.
I may as well decide that I'm broke and will never ever buy a car, and then ... well, you follow me.

Well, no. I very much don't. With game piracy it's a digital copy. Noone will have one less game. If you go and get yourself a car by illegal means, someone is actually missing a car. That is _stealing_.

If you advanced far enough to make yourself a copy of the car, I wouldn't complain. In fact, good for you!

[Terwox_]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Talking about piracy is forbidden, it doesn't matter if you endorse it or are calling for people to buy the game.

That you need to buy it is self-evident, it doesn't need a topic.

Ok, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. And I am speaking about games in general ONLY. But alot off games that comes out theese days are utter crap. So much off them in fact that the question if a game is actually worth the price is something close to all gamers in the very least has asked themselves. So as a gamer you don't "need" to buy a game that turns out to be not for you, or just turns out to be crap. But the problem is, until you actually get your hands on the actual game and play it for yourself, you won't be 100% sure if the game is worth buying. Luckily, with the increased availability off gameplay trailers, the average gamer has an increased chance off being right when he/she buys a game he/she thinks will be worth it.

This is one off the reasons why I prefer gameplay trailers and game demo's over written reviews and previews any day (although I do still read reviews from a few major reviewers, and I still value their input). Because there is no guarantee that you and the previewer/reviewer agree's on anything. But with gameplay trailers you'll be able to actually see how things work, and with demo's actually experience first hand how the game handles. Thus enabling you to make a more informed decision when the time comes to make up your mind about  if the game is worth buying or not.

[Mordaedil]

ByblosHex wrote...

I don't know about all of that. I mean, the law? Seriously? Has anyone ever been convicted in a criminal case for pirating a video game? Ever?

Yes. But it wasn't just one video game, they were pirating very large quanities of music, video games, movies and other media otherwise meant to be costly on the net, and then they distributed them onwards to other pirates.

Going after single users would be a big waste of everyones time and money these days.

[AviramG]

pewbz wrote...

AviramG wrote...

pewbz wrote...


wonko33: If someone actually IS broke and will never, ever buy the game.. but still wants to play it.. Who is hurt by the piracy? I think that's called a victimless crime

Excuse me while I go find me a cozy sh*tstorm-proof bunker.

I think it's a matter of law, not of personal preference, so it's kind of pointless to argue for personal preference..  in fact I think that's what law is for.  The victim in that case is probably the whole of society and economics.
I may as well decide that I'm broke and will never ever buy a car, and then ... well, you follow me.

Well, no. I very much don't. With game piracy it's a digital copy. Noone will have one less game. If you go and get yourself a car by illegal means, someone is actually missing a car. That is _stealing_.

If you advanced far enough to make yourself a copy of the car, I wouldn't complain. In fact, good for you!

not good for you. copyright laws. intellectual property is exactly property, which can be (and is) stolen.

Someone else posted something about how many people got arrested for pirating games... which of course is silly and has nothing to do with the subject being discussed. it's not a criminal law, it's civil law. transaction law, etc.  you probably won't get arreseted if caught, but you can be made to pay a serious fine, if anyone decides to pursue it, since you clearly break the law when u pirate.

Thats how it is I guess.
Stupid lazy people think they're entitled to the works of smart creative people for free. the law explicitly states otherwise.
im not arguing anything here. law is law as far as im concerned. that is to say, it's well defined and dry. so when ppl argue their subjective reasoning in the face of the judge they usually don't go to far






If I were a game dev.  I'd leak my own product out a few days before release, but put so many show-stopper bugs in it that it's impossible to advance in the game. showstopper bug after showstopper bug..
Then I'd make a deal with some law enforcement agencies to have at least a few pirates caught and charged with piracy..

Then when real release is up, I'll release the non-bug game.

Then I could tell who pirated by the type of bugs they complain about and when they match exactly to the pirated version planted bugs, tell law enforcement where to go (by tracking IP on bug forum complaints) and there u go.

Modifié par AviramG, 01 novembre 2009 - 11:01 .

[Arconi4n03]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

I buy all BW games. They are worth buying.

This:police:. Oeh do I get to say something funny now...ehm...Ok

So a Human and his Elven serf walk into a bar. The human orders an ale and starts drinking heavily and he says "Give me another one before there's gonna be trouble!" The barkeep looks at him strangely but pours him another one, which the human downs in seconds and says "Gimme another one before there's gonna be trouble!" While the barkeep pours him another one the barkeep asks "How do you expect to pay for this?" To which the human says "There you have it, there's gonna be trouble!"

Then they went outside and lynched the Elf

[ByblosHex]

Mordaedil wrote...

ByblosHex wrote...

I don't know about all of that. I mean, the law? Seriously? Has anyone ever been convicted in a criminal case for pirating a video game? Ever?

Yes. But it wasn't just one video game, they were pirating very large quanities of music, video games, movies and other media otherwise meant to be costly on the net, and then they distributed them onwards to other pirates.

Going after single users would be a big waste of everyones time and money these days.

I was only responding to the person that said "It's not a matter of preference, it's a matter of law" when it isn't really against any actual law, if it was, there would be criminial cases. Laws are only made after the first criminal case on the topic.

[Terwox_]

AviramG wrote...

Stupid lazy people think they're entitled to the works of smart creative people for free.

You're talking about only a portion off the people downloading pirated games here. To be quite honest, if we could get actual accurate numbers on how many people who download pirated games also either already own the game legally, or buys the game afterwards coz they like the game. I think most people would be surprised. As in way more people in the two categories that I mentioned than people in general suspcts or want to believe.

[AviramG]

Bylbo. not many people get arrested for crossing the street in a red light, but in some places at least, this is against the law.
All you're saying is 'well, i haven't been caught yet, i don't see many getting caught, so its perfectly legal'



never mind, forget i ever entered this debate. it is full-on retarded

Modifié par AviramG, 01 novembre 2009 - 11:08 .

[ByblosHex]

AviramG wrote...

Bylbo. not many people get arrested for crossing the street in a red light, but in some places at least, this is against the law.
All you're saying is 'well, i haven't been caught yet, i don't see many getting caught, so its perfectly legal'

Not many is completely different than none.
I'm not saying that no one get's caught, I'm saying it's not actualy against the law. If it were, there would have to be be at least 1 criminal case.