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[Terwox_]

AviramG wrote...

If I were a game dev.  I'd leak my own product out a few days before release, but put so many show-stopper bugs in it that it's impossible to advance in the game. showstopper bug after showstopper bug..
Then I'd make a deal with some law enforcement agencies to have at least a few pirates caught and charged with piracy..

Then when real release is up, I'll release the non-bug game.

Then I could tell who pirated by the type of bugs they complain about and when they match exactly to the pirated version planted bugs, tell law enforcement where to go (by tracking IP on bug forum complaints) and there u go.

In quite a few countries doing that would actually be quite illegal. And alot off the charges would be dropped due to improper and incorrect procedures in procuring eveidence.

[AviramG]

not if you set up with the law enforcement to recieve search warrants. after all, you know exactly what you're looking for and know for a fact that the person has a pirated (IE STOLEN) copy. you're pretty much telling the judge 'heres proof. the guy is in blabla lane number 3'.

[ByblosHex]

AviramG wrote...

not if you set up with the law enforcement to recieve search warrants. after all, you know exactly what you're looking for and know for a fact that the person has a pirated (IE STOLEN) copy. you're pretty much telling the judge 'heres proof. the guy is in blabla lane number 3'.

The problem with that is that a pirated game isnt stolen property. At least not legally.

[Phil119]

Kamenwati wrote...

I just think is great that microsoft has banned supposedly a lot of consoles this week from xbox live for being modded, wont stop them from pirating but at least they can't connect their systems online now for updates, add on's etc, cheap bastards.

Most people I know who pirate (on the 360) have already found a way around that.  It's just the noobs that get caught I'm afraid.  Personally I don't see a problem in downloading the torrents if you're still buying the game.  I've got a pre-order coming on the 6th but I'm seriously contemplating  downloading a copy if it comes out before the 6th.  Why should I wait until the 6th when everyone else gets it on the 3rd or 5th or whatever? 

It's not so much an issue for DAO but coming into a mulitplayer game like Modern Warfare of L4D 3 days later than everyone else can make a big difference.  Just to clarify though I agree with your statement, if you like the game you should show you support.  Especially when it's someone like bioware who have given us so many quality games aver the years.  I might have a different view on development studios who just release anytihngn to make a few bob (not mentioning any names)

P.s - Is it still copyright infringement if you download from the torrents but you've already bought a copy but not had it delivered?

[LokiHades]

I heard there's missing music and other issues, either way, they can go to hell for not supporting one of the best game companies out there.



Also @Phil: I think it is. It isn't the minute you own a physical copy, at which point the torrented file becomes a backup.

[Terwox_]

AviramG wrote...

not if you set up with the law enforcement to recieve search warrants. after all, you know exactly what you're looking for and know for a fact that the person has a pirated (IE STOLEN) copy. you're pretty much telling the judge 'heres proof. the guy is in blabla lane number 3'.

There are certain laws that forbids this kind off entrapment in several contries and that alone would give the developwer a severe headache and counter lawsuits

And lets not forget that the proper chain of evidence and how they are procured Coupled with various privacy laws.

To be honest, most countries would have to revamp their legal system  quite abit to even accomodate this. And as a result you could throw the "innocent until proven guilty" and any privacy laws out the window with them. And I don't consider loosing those in trade off for spending resources on taking down anyone who has a pirated version off the game regardless of if they already have bought the game before hand. I value my freedoms far too much for that.

[OswaldCash]

GhoXen wrote...

There was a thread in off-topics awhile ago about some people confessing that this is the first game they are "buying".

I can "confess" too, this is a very rare occasion that i buy a game (and not get it from friends or just torrent). I've bought DDE on steam and the Player's Guide (totalling in 90$), just to support Bioware on their quest of making good RPG's . Go Bioware!

P.S. Though, i must say, that in case this game dissapoints me (like MassEffect did) and kills my belief in RPG revival, i promise i will pirate all games forever! And also kill at least 3 puppies. Mb more.

Modifié par OswaldCash, 01 novembre 2009 - 11:29 .

[Terwox_]

You should at least kill 5 puppies tbh. And if you can, eat them.

[AviramG]

Byblo, please stop with the lying. if a pirated game wasn't stolen property then neither would a pirated movie or music track. I've heard of a few people slapped with VERY high fines for stealing those.
they're exactly the same thing. intellectual property. I didn't make up the term --- look it up. it's a legal term which exists exactly for the defense of such property against theft.


Terwox, it's not entrapment --- you don't MAKE the criminal commit the crime. you don't induce the crime.
The criminal in this case commits the crime, and then comes of their own free will to report it publically on forums. albeit without knowing.
It's the same way you catch drug dealers more or less. they think it's a drugee they're selling to, when in fact it's law enforcement agents.

Privacy laws also are a seperate matter. or it would be impossible to catch/indict spammers, for example.


Sure, it'll be a difficult sell and any company that pursues this path will get a few 'no's, eventually ,sell it hard enough, and you'll get a yes from even one place.. a few pirates is all you need..





Also, the act of releasing a game that's GOOD but full of advancement-halting bugs may spur otherwise 'casual' pirates to go 'ugh, this is a good game. damn, i'll just buy the thing and get on with it instead of suffering through with all these damn bugs' ...... this btw happened with batman: arkham assylum... at least according to a few forum posts heh

Modifié par AviramG, 01 novembre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Terwox_]

By leaking the game on purpose early so that it will be pirated so you can catch the pirates it can be counted as entrapment. Now if the game got pirated by external sources and not leaked on purpuse, that wouldn't be entrapment.

[AviramG]

Easy --- you don't 'leak it' on purpose.. you find a way in which it would be 'leaked' by someone else.

I can think of a few ways, none of which constitute entrapment.



sending review copies to unscrupulous people who may well leak stuff, for example.

Can think of loads.

[AviramG]

hmmmm...



I could work on this all day. this is an interesting concept. I wonder if its been refined and tried already somewhere. would make my day to catch a few bastards pirating on biowares backs

[Terwox_]

AviramG wrote...

Easy --- you don't 'leak it' on purpose.. you find a way in which it would be 'leaked' by someone else.
I can think of a few ways, none of which constitute entrapment.

sending review copies to unscrupulous people who may well leak stuff, for example.
Can think of loads.

Would still be illegal although harder to prove, which would make the developer/publisher just as bad as the pirates in my eyes. And alot off gamers worldwide would end up boycotting them, and just wait til someone bought the full game and pirated that before downloading, and thus alienating the very people they're trying to make money off.

Modifié par Terwox_, 01 novembre 2009 - 11:46 .

[Lucy Glitter]

ByblosHex wrote...

Dracula once said "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

There's no reason to not try to convince people to buy the game.

I have nothing to contribute but to say that Dracula was a really good book. That is all.

[s4nder]

I've been a pirate most of my life but recently I've bought all games I've played. Good games are worth the money.

[Chikkenstorm]

I wonder how many people here would pirate the game anyway. I don't think most of the pirates get involved on the forums etc. Those are the hardcore fans, and they'll buy the game.



I pirate pretty much every game I play, since I just don't have the money to buy all those cool games. However, I did preorder the RE of DA:O, simply because it will give me alot for those €40. Both in quality and quantity.

[Kevin Lynch]

While fascinating stuff, all this talk on the dos and don'ts of piracy is off-topic for the forum.



And yeah, basically if you want the game you should buy it (or have it gifted to you). Obviously.