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[BatmanPWNS]

Fake a depression just so I can bang another woman on the Normandy.

[UserForFun]

My Shepard's current motivation for even struggling within this war ( Where everyone dismisses them ) is due to the LI. He's neither Paragon nor Renegade, it all depends on circumstances. He's a pragmatic individual, inclined towards Paragon, yet should one be killed to save a hundred, he'll kill that one person. Or 10.000 to save trillions, basic math error.

Either way, if the LI dies, then he'll loose his purpose to fight.. Yet, he'll be overwhelmed by emotions due to the death, and most likely hunt down the ones responsible. For example, if Reapers killed the LI, he'll attempt to annihilate them, and afterwards hunt the ones responsible for allowing the Reapers to reach the Milky Way in the first place. ( Council, Alliance.. And all the ones ignored him )

Suffice to say, he'll become the embodiment of revenge, and eventually it will destroy him. Perhaps a Zaeed-style-death, load Normandy with nuclear warheads, and vaporize the Citadel.

[CptData]

It's a funny thing ... although I believe Shepard is somewhat reliant to his/her LI, he/she won't become a murderer or change his/her personality entirely. Shepard, as a soldier, would still try to get that mission done. There's always time for mourning of the death of a lover - when the job is done.

[Faerlyte]

I'd want an option to go down in flames of epic glory saving the Universe to finish off my game. That is all.

[UserForFun]

CptData wrote...

It's a funny thing ... although I believe Shepard is somewhat reliant to his/her LI, he/she won't become a murderer or change his/her personality entirely. Shepard, as a soldier, would still try to get that mission done. There's always time for mourning of the death of a lover - when the job is done.

Take examples for real life, a police-officer shoots and kills a scum-bag, who belongs to a clan/cartel whatever.. The clan demands bloodshed for the demise of their lost member, killing the officer in question's wife or son, or whatever. ( That's why specific judges always have constant security watching over their families.. Like that works, but still ) and then the police-officer takes justice in his own hands, murdering the ones responsible, technically being called '' summary execution '' -- Google it, there would hint numerous cases.

Example: On December 18, 2004, New Mexico's Otero County Sgt. Billy Anders shot and killed Earl Flippen, who was handcuffed, after he killed Anders' partner and his own girlfriend. Anders pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaugther and served ten months of a one-year sentence.  Due to the circumstances surrounding the shooting, Anders gained much support from the community

Modifié par UserForFun, 29 septembre 2011 - 08:52 .

[CptData]

It's one possible reaction. Every person reacts differently to such traumatic events.

My paragon Shepard won't throw everything away for revenge. Can't say that for a renegade Shepard - but that's only because both Shepards are DIFFERENT persons.

And more important: police officers are just civilians. Shepard is depicted as a highly trained elite soldier and agent. That will make a great difference ...

[UserForFun]

And I completely agree, each Shepard would react differently, I stated and justified how my Shepard would react.

As for his high elite training -- You receive psychological training for death of comrades, civilians, individuals you have no connection with. Simple variables and numbers within the final equation; Aka mission, probability of success with limited casualties, etc..

You can't possible receive training for dealing with the death of your lover, given that in army, fraternization is forbidden.

Edit -- In theory, the moment you have any personal relationship, or romantic involvement with a member of your crew, you're a flawed, incompetent and selfish soldier. 

Modifié par UserForFun, 29 septembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[CptData]

Edit -- In theory, the moment you have any personal relationship, or romantic involvement with a member of your crew, you're a flawed, incompetent and selfish soldier. 

True. So the one BIG weakness is Shepards tendency to find love on every Normandy. 
Does that mean only a Shepard WITHOUT lover can save the galaxy?

[UserForFun]

Well, I did said in theory. It depends on the circumstances. It could either increase the probability of success, by offering a personal motivator, increases his performance ( Know that you're fighting for someone. Take example American soldiers in Iraq -- Some have family at home, and they know by eradicating the terrorists cells, they can keep their families safe, boosting their morale, and give a meaning to fight, not simple we fight for the sake of it. ) or end up in a complete mission failure by compelling Shepard to make an irrational decision, to be more accurate.. Putting the LI's life in front of the mission, or saving the LI instead of an entire crew... The variables are infinite.

Still, we're derailing. Provided anyone want to further add something, PM me. Let's keep the topic nice and clean.

[ReallyRue]

I imagine Shepard would feel like crap, and somewhat guilty. My canon one hasn't had a romance though, so it depends who is available in 3, when/how the the romance develops. None of that "snatching a moment before the final battle" business. That always made it harder for me to see Shepard's relationships as actual relationships (compared to the ones in DA).

Modifié par ReallyRue, 29 septembre 2011 - 10:03 .

[Cypher0020]

Its like this....

"Kaidan..... dead?"

then

BIOTIC RAAAAAAAGE


As an Adept.... Teddy can kick a lot of ass.....

[Siansonea]

Male Vanguard (Romanced Liara): "Noooooooooooo! Liara don't leave meeeee!!!!!"
Female Adept (Romanced Liara): "Noooooooooooo! Liara don't leave meeeeee!!!!!"
Male Sentinel (No romance): "I guess this doesn't apply to me."
Female Engineer (Romanced Kaidan): "This is unfortunate and unforeseen."
Male Infiltrator (Romanced Ashley and Jack): "Say, Miranda, now that I'm single..."
Female Soldier (Romanced Kaidan and Jacob—who died already): "I just love watching people die, this is so fun."

[PauseforEffect]

Finish the job, keep killing those who stand in Shepard's way.
Kill the ones who murdered those close to you if opportunity comes.
Kill the ones who got away if denied that opportunity.
Kill those who even raised a gun against Shepard
Kill every one who ever called Shepard an enemy
Keep killing until rest comes for the weary soldier
With no other ties left to hold her to the earth, let her rest amongst the ones who fell before her....

[HogarthHughes 3]

As my two Shepards Lance & Ariel are a Colonist and Sole Survivor respectively, they'd just add it to the list. They would handle it in slightly different ways however: Lance would get slightly more hostile and angry for a time, while Ariel would bottle her grief up.

As for me, I'd likely laugh if it were as cheesy and melodramatic as I'd expect it to be. Or maybe I'd cry, but I doubt the death of any characters other than EDI, Joker, or Wrex could elicit such a response from me.

[General Ferdinand Foch]

JoeLaTurkey wrote...

"Kelly Chambers to the Commander's Quarters...I need a little 'cheering up.' Bring the Tali helmet."

OMG…. I laughed so hard I spit up on the monitor.  that was perfect!

[Ieldra]

As a player: ragequit.

As Shepard:
(1) Turn full Renegade if I can't save the LI.
(2) If I can save the LI *and* win the war by sacrificing myself, I'll do that.

If it's a choice - i.e. if by making certain suboptimal decisions, I can maneuver my Shepards into a situation where either they or their LI must die - then I'll use that end for one of my playthroughs. But if it's forced on me I'll put the ME3 DVD in a bowl of acid.

[Eyeshield21]

Ieldra2 wrote...

As a player: ragequit.

As Shepard:
(1) Turn full Renegade if I can't save the LI.
(2) If I can save the LI *and* win the war by sacrificing myself, I'll do that.

If it's a choice - i.e. if by making certain suboptimal decisions, I can maneuver my Shepards into a situation where either they or their LI must die - then I'll use that end for one of my playthroughs. But if it's forced on me I'll put the ME3 DVD in a bowl of acid.

this, and I will never buy BW games ever again.

[General Ferdinand Foch]

When I first started reading this thread I felt like most that I’d have to quit and just never play the game again. I know I’d be depressed. Really depressed, which got me to thinking how well BW wrote the stories and captured enough feelings in these relationships that the idea of script killing them has let to such vitriol responses is amazing. Way to go BW!! But I digress. Some of the best movies/books I have seen/read do not have perfect endings. That they wrote into ME1 the death of a main crew mate really made the story come home, what you were fighting for and why. It made it more real more personal. If you had a choice between your LI and saving the counsel what would your Shepard do? What about your LI and earth? Or your LI and another crew member? I’m not saying I WANT my LI to get killed (I have saves with Tali, Ash, and Liara ) but if BW did it right it would be a very powerful story. I think to do it right though, they would need to add a lot more depth to the story line and give time for shep (and you) to figure out how to deal with it. maybe a para shep would get choices that would lead him/her to become a renegade or vise versa. How cool would that be?
That said how my shep would react depends on which shep and which LI there are so many variables.
In general I think any of my para sheps would not go on a rampage because in general the LI would not want that. ( except maybe jack). Don’t get me wrong almost certainly someone would pay but he would greave and move on, the curse of being para I guess.
My ren shep ( I only have two games like this, for some reason I feel kinda slimy after I play them for a while ) would probably go ren^2 and hunt down anything the breathed the same air of anyone involved in LI’s death. Yeah it would be bad, ultimately becoming a problem so bad they’d have to send out Specters to deal with him/her. Now that’s sad, but its also very human.

[Whyp_2]

Sad, but it would be necessary.

[General Ferdinand Foch]

also the LI would be a factor. I don't think my sheps would react the same for each LI as the relationships are different... If Tali has to go because of scripting though I'll be very disappointed  

Modifié par General Ferdinand Foch, 06 octobre 2011 - 12:38 .

[goofyomnivore]

Press on. You can't honor their memory if you and your civilization is dead.

[CptBomBom00]

He would be devasted at first but then kill everyone who stands in his way.

[MatrixTheRenegade]

Well, my main shepard is a racist (not as much nowadays I guess) dedicated soldier with a penchant for retribution and a powerful survival drive. Naturally, he and Williams were made for each other and all he gets on the way to the SM is a photograph and a hand to ASSUME CONTROL (what am I, the millionth guy to make that joke?). Also, he's a Colonist, which means everyone he ever cared about died when he was like 10 and he had to continue onwards emotionally stunted forever, unable to deal with grief with anything less than an eye for an eye. Or, numerous eyes, preferably.

So, yeah. He'd get busted up to all hell about it. That kinda match just don't happen often. Hell, the events of ME2 even chisel down his racism to less than Ashley's! They would be a lil' Alliance soldier factory, man. So, yeah. Murder. So much murder. He would chase those responsible to hell and back and kill them as brutally as possible, and that sure as hell better be an option if the situation arises. You should've seen what I did to that batarian terrorist in Bringing Down the Sky, and I didn't even know that Batarian OR the people on that colony.


My new shep is a sociopath and a megalomaniac, so any LI she bumps uglies with is just a fun lay and nothin' more. If it was like, Garrus, she might tell him that he was a good servant and commend his service, or something. Then she'd get him to wear a bomb vest or something to get the bad(der) guys that come after them. She might track down the killers just to have a good fight and do some murdering.

Somehow I don't think I'll get THOSE options, though.

[Badpie]

My Shep would carry on but he would be a cold, broken man. I dare say he would lose his humanity and become even more bitter and angry. Might even decide he doesn't give a crap if the Reapers win. But he'll still go out fighting. HARD. And PISSED. Few things are more dangerous and unpredictable than a soldier who has nothing to lose, nothing to gain and no more mercy.

I, myself would probably rage quit and boycott Bioware for the rest of my broken hearted, miserable existence.