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[didymos1120]

Zakatak757 wrote...

What does EA hope to gain with Origin that Steam does not already give them?

Um, not having to give Valve a cut of every sale?

[The Twilight God]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

I think the 3-4 month delay from Holidays 2011 into Mar 2012 suggests that BW isn't slacking off with ME3... Not majorly, anyway

I think they delayed it so it wouldn't compete with SWTOR for Holiday sales.

[Wereparrot]

Doofe2012 wrote...


This is my imploration for Bioware. Make this game as if it were the last one you all ever made, and make some history. Let's make Commander Shepard a household name. Let's sway the minds of people everywhere to not be afraid of aliens. Let's get more kids and teens interested in the development of space exploration and travel. Let's show people just why we cannot continue being divided and conflicted as nation-states. The potential is there. Time for something truly epic.

So ME should be an allegorical social and political statement? No thanks. It's gone too far in that direction anyway IMO. And they don't want us to talk about politics on here!

[whywhywhywhy]

Doofe2012 wrote...

I hope Bioware doesn't use that as an excuse to slack on any aspect of the game, and that they realize just how high the expectations for ME3 really are. It may not be a shared consensus, but I'm willing to bet a significant portion, maybe even a majority of Mass Effect fans expect ME3 to be the best game of this generation, and definitely one of the best games of all time.

Let's recap. Mass Effect 1 is nearly unparalleled when it comes to story, immersion, and background universe. ME2 improved greatly on the shortcomings of ME1, making it a very polished shooter, including epic presentation throughout the game rather than just at the beginning and end, doing a fantastic job with characterization, increasing the humor (just how many memes spawned from ME2 again?), among other things.

Mass Effect 1 was hailed as a gem representing a high-water mark for video games as a storytelling method. Mass Effect 2 was called the greatest game of the modern era by IGN. Bioware, realize what you have on your hands. Mass Effect 3, in this gamer's opinion, has a chance to be the greatest game ever up to this point in time. It definitely has the potential to make Mass Effect one of the greatest series of all time.

What will make this happen is if you include the best traits of both games according to the loyal fans who have been with Mass Effect from the start. I'm not talking about the hardcore RPG fans, but I'm definitely not talking about the shooter fans who are only looking for cool explosions and beastly guns. Stick to the company's roots, remove the impractical and include the modern action gameplay, but NOT at the expense of good storytelling, deep characterization, and real decision-making.

This is my imploration for Bioware. Make this game as if it were the last one you all ever made, and make some history. Let's make Commander Shepard a household name. Let's sway the minds of people everywhere to not be afraid of aliens. Let's get more kids and teens interested in the development of space exploration and travel. Let's show people just why we cannot continue being divided and conflicted as nation-states. The potential is there. Time for something truly epic.

I think if people find themselves overwhelmingly curious they'll rent or borrow the game.

[mulder1199]

doubtful that bioware slacks....they delayed by 3-4 months so that they could make sure things come out 'correctly'

[SnowHeart1]

ME was the reason I finally bought an Xbox. ME2 is the best game I've ever played on the Xbox, despite a few warts. DAO was a fantastic game. DA2 blew chunks. (Obviously all my personal opinion; YMMV.) My faith in Bioware was seriously shaken by DA2 and I am without a doubt holding off on DA3 until after I see a lot of post-release reviews and player feedback to determine if it's a game that will be enjoyable for me. That is not going to be a "buy no matter what," because that dev team and franchise screwed up so badly (IMO) that I don't trust them enough to spend another $60+ on their products.

But, the two franchises have different development teams and I perceive a bit more respect from the ME team for fan opinion and feedback. They realized without having to be hit on the head with it that they stripped a few too many RPG elements from ME2, and are finding ways to reintegrate those elements while still continuing to improve on the combat. Win-Win. I've placed a preorder for the CE with no qualms. I'm really not worried about the Mass Effect team (as a subpart of Bioware and under the direction of one C. Hudson) slacking off.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 26 septembre 2011 - 06:18 .

[whywhywhywhy]

zazei wrote...

Here is one customer Bioware actually lost. I own everything from BG2 to Me1 but luckily I had the chance to play a borrowed copy of ME2 before buying it and after that I promised myself I would never play for another Bioware game before testing it. Me1 was -very- short but it played like a interactive movie and a RPG. ME2 gave me the feeling I was playing a action game and those don't interest me at all.

Still keeping my eyes on ME3 though in case they manage to push it back in the right direction.

I don't think I agree with Me1 as a interactive movie but I agree it was a great game.  And everything else you've said is exactly how I feel and the position I maintain.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Probably a bargain bin for
me...if I'm feeling generous.
ME...BioWare games in general...  never
were about the graphics and shooting/slashing for me. It was about the
story/atmosphere.
And both DA2 and ME2 fail in that regard.

I'm
not even sure I want to see the end of the story. I'd rather live in
blisfull ingorance than to face a dissapointing story.

Bargin bin, rental or borrow it.  It's kind of looking that way.

[Funkcase]

Tbh, just about everything thing I've seen and heard about this gave has me really excited! I'm sure Bioware will not slack off on any aspect of the game, this is the end of Shepards story, I'm sure Bioware want to make this the most memorable game they possibly can.

[TheRevanchist]

SnowHeart1 wrote...

ME was the reason I finally bought an Xbox. ME2 is the best game I've ever played on the Xbox, despite a few warts. DAO was a fantastic game. DA2 blew chunks. (Obviously all my personal opinion; YMMV.) My faith in Bioware was seriously shaken by DA2 and I am without a doubt holding off on DA3 until after I see a lot of post-release reviews and player feedback to determine if it's a game that will be enjoyable for me. That is not going to be a "buy no matter what," because that dev team and franchise screwed up so badly (IMO) that I don't trust them enough to spend another $60+ on their products.

But, the two franchises have different development teams and I perceive a bit more respect from the ME team for fan opinion and feedback. They realized without having to be hit on the head with it that they stripped a few too many RPG elements from ME2, and are finding ways to reintegrate those elements while still continuing to improve on the combat. Win-Win. I've placed a preorder for the CE with no qualms. I'm really not worried about the Mass Effect team (as a subpart of Bioware and under the direction of one C. Hudson) slacking off.

This is pretty much my exact opinion...i lost total faith in the DA team completely...but in the end it was EA's fault because they wanted the game released before the "DA Fanbase dried up"....which was counter productive in reality. The ME team however has yet to disapoint me aside from the loads of wasted potential present in ME2. Like I said before...if ME3 don't blow my mind away I'm probably done with Bioware because ever since EA came around their quality has droped QUICKLY. and not even Ray's promise that their not done with Jade Empire yet will keep me around. However I doubt ME3 will suffer the fate of DA2...because I have a friend who goes to game development school in Canada...and a dev on the Mass Effect team, who I will not name for their own sake. Made a guest appearence in her class...and expressed disguest for DA2 saying "DA2 is not the sequal to DAO, it is a different game, a rushed game, and I have said too much already." While that don't exactly equal disgust that personally tells me pleanty.

Modifié par kylecouch, 26 septembre 2011 - 06:50 .

[Aggie Punbot]

PXXL wrote...

I'm am not saying that not buying ME3 won't be the ultimate way of showing your discontent. Hell, even if you get a thousand people to join you they will even feel it a little.

But you will just throw away 4 years you invested in one of the best games out there just because it has an option/feature that you do not like? Let alone you will never see the implications/conclusion of the the story you obviously like.

That is correct. I will be extremely disappointed but life will go on. There is a vast number of games out there that I haven't played yet that I could focus on instead of the Mass Effect series. Sure, I'd be sad but it's not the end of the world.

[matt-bassist]

anyone who thinks the push-back is because of anything other than the release of TOR is wrong.
its simply business. when they originally set the tentative release date for ME3, they clearly didn't know if TOR would be ready or not.
now that they know for sure, and have set a release date over the Christmas period to maximize sales, they would've been so stupid business-wise to keep ME3's original release date.
they know that many many people will buy ME3 regardless, it's just that at that time of the year there are so many other good games getting released AND now TOR... people might want to buy ME3, but they sure won;t have the money.
it's good business. maximizing revenues ensures more high quality games in the future. it's nothing sinister.

please note Bioware hasn't given a real reason for the push back. So technically they haven't lied about anything.

[Soul Cool]

TwistedComplex wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

Thats totaly different...people are over obsessed with stupid cell phones these days...EA is major sukzor at pleaseing customers and their even chargeing ppl to pre order TOR on it....

TOR is 60 dollars including the pre-order charge, so it makes no difference

EA does fine with customers. Whats an example of them pissing of customers, aside from the fact that people blow things out of proportion

I dunno, do you consider price gouging the hell out of people hosting BF3 on dedicated servers to be something that will ****** customers off? It pissed me off. That's why I'm not buying it. It's infuriating, and they aren't getting my money for it.

[whywhywhywhy]

matt-bassist wrote...

anyone who thinks the push-back is because of anything other than the release of TOR is wrong.
its simply business. when they originally set the tentative release date for ME3, they clearly didn't know if TOR would be ready or not.
now that they know for sure, and have set a release date over the Christmas period to maximize sales, they would've been so stupid business-wise to keep ME3's original release date.
they know that many many people will buy ME3 regardless, it's just that at that time of the year there are so many other good games getting released AND now TOR... people might want to buy ME3, but they sure won;t have the money.
it's good business. maximizing revenues ensures more high quality games in the future. it's nothing sinister.

please note Bioware hasn't given a real reason for the push back. So technically they haven't lied about anything.

Never thought of that, watching what happens will prove  interesting.

[stonbw1]

I understand the business behind the delay, but as a non-PC gamer, do you really think SWTOR will really make such a huge impact? With respect, from the outside looking in, it looks pretty standard for that gaming world, but I'm admittedly ignorant on the subject. I thought Skryim would be a bigger deterent.

[onelifecrisis]

I doubt I'll buy ME3. What they did with the main plot in ME2+Arrival just kills me, and the two characters who had my interest in ME1 (Paragon Shepard and Liara) are changed beyond recognition in ME2. Now the only reasons for me to buy ME3 are

1) for gameplay, but as much as I loved Vanguard Charge I don't really want to pay money just to do it some more, which leaves

2) continuations/resolutions of the other character story arcs, some of which were really good. Problem is that based on what BW did with characters and story arcs (and player decisions) going from ME1 to ME2, I don't have much faith that they'll transition things to ME3 very well. But you never know, so I'll wait and see what the critics and public say.

[Icinix]

Sure - I was disappointed by the direction of ME2. Sure I haven't seen anything beyond improved shooter mechanics for ME3, sure - the comics, statues, toys, mini stories etc have all made me cringe at the ME universe, sure some doubts have started to creep into my mind about the direction of ME3 (mainly because the lack of story / non combat information about it, and the whole armour / leather suit issue)....

But I gurantee, that come release day, I'll be taking the day off work to pick up my pre-ordered collectors edition the very moment those doors open. The momentum is so high with this series that no matter what they come out and say now - I have to finish the ME games. I need to see this through to completion. Like when you start watching a series on DVD - and even though you know you need sleep and have to study and have work in the morning, you can't help but watch just one more episode....

[whywhywhywhy]

onelifecrisis wrote...

I doubt I'll buy ME3. What they did with the main plot in ME2+Arrival just kills me, and the two characters who had my interest in ME1 (Paragon Shepard and Liara) are changed beyond recognition in ME2. Now the only reasons for me to buy ME3 are

1) for gameplay, but as much as I loved Vanguard Charge I don't really want to pay money just to do it some more, which leaves

2) continuations/resolutions of the other character story arcs, some of which were really good. Problem is that based on what BW did with characters and story arcs (and player decisions) going from ME1 to ME2, I don't have much faith that they'll transition things to ME3 very well. But you never know, so I'll wait and see what the critics and public say.

That makes a lot of sense, number 2 is a big reason why I didn't preorder again.

[wadeconty7]

ME3 will be available for PC right?

No, most of us will not "buy it no matter what". 

[SNascimento]

Wow, I thought this would be one more whinning tread but I couldn't be more wrong. I agree with everything you said.
.
But I'm not worried.