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jreezy wrote...

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Both ME1 and ME2 had terrible AI. I don't think anything is going to change in ME3. :)


AI in ME2 is meant to be minimal. You're supposed to control your team's special attacks yourself, and that's all the AI you should need.

No, it isn't. Programmers shouldn't strive to do a half-a**ed job when it comes to the AI. If squadmates are so insignificant that they can provide no help on their own why bother even including them at all?



Kind of my point. If you're meant to play a "Commander" of a "Squad" then the "Squad" should at least be able to follow the orders given to them. Half of the time my "Squad" ends up dead or simply failing at every single task. I shouldn't have to direct them every two seconds; if you see a target with shields use the appropriate weapon and power/tech to disable the shields! If you see a heavily armored target then bust out armor piercers or light the bit*h on fire! Instead of doing the smart thing my squaddies run straight in and barely do anything except die OR they crouch behind cover instead of entering it - then remain in this "Tea Bag" stage as I call it until death.

If you are forced to use a Squad; make them worth it. Garrus was the leader of what, an eight man squad? Yet he can't make a single decision in combat for himself - that isn't story breaking.

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GOW3's "chapter" on the "Cole Train" nearly invalidated the whole game for me. One face palm after another. But I digress :P

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You know, I came into this with only one question: Is Gears 3 good? Now I have another: what the f*ck is a "Taco Touchdown"?


Funny how forums do that....



Gears 3 is excellent.

And a "Taco Touchdown" is the same thing as "Tea Bagging" except for women - since they don't have a "bag" usually.

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 I beat the game on Insanity a few nights ago and the entire game consisted of me fighting enemies ON MY OWN!

Pretty much how I played through ME2, on my own for the most part.

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Kasai666 wrote...
 I beat the game on Insanity a few nights ago and the entire game consisted of me fighting enemies ON MY OWN!


That's because you chose to. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:33 .


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javierabegazo wrote...

GOW3's "chapter" on the "Cole Train" nearly invalidated the whole game for me. One face palm after another. But I digress :P


Brings up a good thought; why can't someone like Cole be in Mass Effect? Why the fu*k were we stuck with some forced evolution bullsh*t monkey (no offense but honestly come on - Jacob was meant to be the sterotypical black dude where Bioware was racist and picked on him) who has a boring story, boring past, and whose entire personal mission is nothing but racist bibble babble.

Jacob = Stupid
Cole = Epic Win

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javierabegazo wrote...

GOW3's "chapter" on the "Cole Train" nearly invalidated the whole game for me. One face palm after another. But I digress :P


You have to admit though scoring an "explosive" touchdown as the "Cole Train" was kind of funny.:happy:

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LeVaughnX wrote...
Brings up a good thought; why can't someone like Cole be in Mass Effect? Why the fu*k were we stuck with some forced evolution bullsh*t monkey (no offense but honestly come on - Jacob was meant to be the sterotypical black dude where Bioware was racist and picked on him) who has a boring story, boring past, and whose entire personal mission is nothing but racist bibble babble.

Jacob = Stupid
Cole = Epic Win


:huh:

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 I beat the game on Insanity a few nights ago and the entire game consisted of me fighting enemies ON MY OWN!


That's because you chose to. 

No it's because the squadmates get taken out of fights with relative ease. Sure there's medi-gel but if you're out then they can't be revived.

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Woah. OP has just lost all credibility.

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Bioware should remove the 'necessity' of having two squadmates with you at all times, allowing you to go lone wolf. Because those squadmates do nothing.

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JeffZero wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
Brings up a good thought; why can't someone like Cole be in Mass Effect? Why the fu*k were we stuck with some forced evolution bullsh*t monkey (no offense but honestly come on - Jacob was meant to be the sterotypical black dude where Bioware was racist and picked on him) who has a boring story, boring past, and whose entire personal mission is nothing but racist bibble babble.

Jacob = Stupid
Cole = Epic Win


:huh:


:huh:  x  :huh: = :blink:

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luk3us wrote...

Bioware should remove the 'necessity' of having two squadmates with you at all times, allowing you to go lone wolf. Because those squadmates do nothing.


WTF...you have to be joking. The game is all about utilizing your team's talents. When was this fact lost on people?

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:39 .


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luk3us wrote...

Bioware should remove the 'necessity' of having two squadmates with you at all times, allowing you to go lone wolf. Because those squadmates do nothing.


Well they take bullets don't they? That's something isn't it?

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slimgrin wrote...

luk3us wrote...

Bioware should remove the 'necessity' of having two squadmates with you at all times, allowing you to go lone wolf. Because those squadmates do nothing.


WTF...you have to be joking. The game is all about utilizing your team's talents. When was this fact lost on people?



Yeah Garrus really knew how to "chew the dirt"....

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The Mass Effect series is so easy, that the quality of the squad A.I is rendered meaningless..

Shepard probably does over 90% of the killing of enemies by him/herself, regardless of difficulty setting.

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People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.

If your teamates die in an RPG it's your fault.
If your teamates die in an action game it's the ai's fault.

See how that works?

Come on, let's say it all out loud!       R P G
Get it through your think skulls, it's not a fully blown action game damn it!

Modifié par meiwow2, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:45 .


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LeVaughnX wrote...

Why the fu*k were we stuck with some forced evolution bullsh*t monkey (no offense but honestly come on - Jacob was meant to be the sterotypical black dude where Bioware was racist and picked on him) who has a boring story, boring past, and whose entire personal mission is nothing but racist bibble babble.


You pull that out and have the temerity to call Bioware racist? Plank.  Eye.  Remove.

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meiwow2 wrote...

People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.


Newsflash:  it's an Action-RPG.

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meiwow2 wrote...

People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.

If your teamates die in an RPG it's your fault.
If your teamates die in an action game it's the ai's fault.

See how that works?

Come on, let's say it all out loud!       R P G

:unsure:This  is just sad.

Modifié par jreezy, 25 septembre 2011 - 04:49 .


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meiwow2 wrote...

People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.

If your teamates die in an RPG it's your fault.
If your teamates die in an action game it's the ai's fault.

See how that works?

Come on, let's say it all out loud!       R P G
Get it through your think skulls, it's not a fully blown action game damn it!


Have you been hiding under a rock the last few years?  How many times has some Bioware rep publically stated that Mass Effect is an ACTION RPG?

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didymos1120 wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.


Newsflash:  it's an Action-RPG.

It's an rpg no matter what other system you have to utilise to play the game... dice, cards, action... whatever, it's an RPG.

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meiwow2 wrote...

People seem to forget/get confused. It's an rpg, not an action game.

If your teamates die in an RPG it's your fault.
If your teamates die in an action game it's the ai's fault.

See how that works?

Come on, let's say it all out loud!       R P G


F P S, oh wait maybe G R P, ooops sorry :pinched: this is it R G P, okay last time i got it now R P G. Wooh finally did it.

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Carfax wrote...

The Mass Effect series is so easy, that the quality of the squad A.I is rendered meaningless..

Shepard probably does over 90% of the killing of enemies by him/herself, regardless of difficulty setting.


I always relied on my team's abilities in insane mode. I never did anything alone. The whole point was to combine their attacks with mine. 

Maybe I played a different game...

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I haven't played GOW3 yet but I actually agree with the OP on the AI part. Squadmate AI needs some serious work and I just hope it gets what it deserves come ME3.