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[meiwow2]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

patocerda wrote...

 I'm sure the majority of GoW haters are pretty much the opposite from evolved COD players.

What do you mean by evolved cod players? You're joking right? A child could play that game.

I hate both series because they are dumb... and sell a lot... Don't like that.

Your first statement is completely subjective, and I guess you won't be playing ME3 then, because it will probably sell a LOT, for its genre.

You sound like a wannabe hipster. Not a real hipster, of course, but one of the wannabes who think more=bad. Just sayin'.

Let me help you out, I said if it's dumb and sells a lot Not if it just sells a lot. Learn to read hipster.

[LeVaughnX]

meiwow2 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

I hate both series because they are dumb... and sell a lot... Don't like that.

So if something is too popular, it sucks? 

If it's dumb, yes, it does.
Not to mention it's unfluence hurting other game series like resident evil trying to morph from what it was into a dumb shooter, I wonder who they were trying to imitate.. hmm
Back to topic, mass effect has room to improve but it's not gow material, don't splatter gow all over my mass effect plate thank you very much, I'm happy with my meal.

I'm starting to think that this person is so stuck on their beliefs that nothing will change their minds not even their own ignorance..Please leave the thread, you've lowered our I.Q.'s enough for one day.

[AdmiralCheez]

GUYS.

STOP FIGHTING.

[littlezack]

meiwow2 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

patocerda wrote...

 I'm sure the majority of GoW haters are pretty much the opposite from evolved COD players.

What do you mean by evolved cod players? You're joking right? A child could play that game.

I hate both series because they are dumb... and sell a lot... Don't like that.

Your first statement is completely subjective, and I guess you won't be playing ME3 then, because it will probably sell a LOT, for its genre.

You sound like a wannabe hipster. Not a real hipster, of course, but one of the wannabes who think more=bad. Just sayin'.

Let me help you out, I said if it's dumb and sells a lot Not if it just sells a lot. Learn to read hipster.

To be fair, you probably shouldn't have separated it with ellipses, if that's what you were trying to say.

Modifié par littlezack, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[didymos1120]

meiwow2 wrote...

Not to mention it's unfluence hurting other game series like resident evil trying to morph from what it was into a dumb shooter, I wonder who they were trying to imitate.. hmm

Not GoW.  RE4 is where the series seriously went into action TPS territory.  It came out nearly two years before the first GoW game.

[Soul Cool]

meiwow2 wrote...
If it's dumb, yes, it does.

Thinking something is dumb does not automatically make it so. I think coloring your hair is dumb, but, if people beleive they gain some sort of benefit from it and it doesn't harm anyone else, why should what I think about it stop people from doing it?

Not to mention it's unfluence hurting other game series like resident evil trying to morph from what it was into a dumb shooter, I wonder who they were trying to imitate.. hmm

Resident Evil was a dumb shooter from day one. Except the game devs hate people who play their game and want them to die, so they never give you enough ammunition.

Back to topic, mass effect has room to improve but it's not gow material, don't splatter gow all over my mass effect plate thank you very much, I'm happy with my meal.

Your lack of reading comprehension skills have nothing to do with whether or not improving the AI in Mass Effect 3 from Mass Effect 2 is a good idea. This is relieving.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:55 .

[meiwow2]

@LeVaughnX
I don't care how good gow's ai is, you don't just take something you like from a game and put it into another, that's not how it works. The ME team has to worry about a lot more in general than the gow team. Their focus shouldn't shift to "making your perfect gow like action rpg game" And I'm not any more ignorant for having this opinion than you are for thinking they should make the ai like gow's.

[Epic777]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

GUYS.

STOP FIGHTING.

Cheez, BSN might as well be a virtual arena with the amount of fighting and personal duels that take place here daily.

[Soul Cool]

meiwow2 wrote...

@LeVaughnX
I don't care how good gow's ai is, you don't just take something you like from a game and put it into another, that's not how it works.

Reading comprehension. You do not have it.

The ME team has to worry about a lot more in general than the gow team. Their focus shouldn't shift to "making your perfect gow like action rpg game" And I'm not any more ignorant for having this opinion than you are for thinking they should make the ai like gow's.

Really really do not have it.

[Oblivious]

I still feel as if Star Wars Republic Commando had the best squad AI ever with Rainbow Six Vegas being a close second. Haven't played Gears since my Xbox broke but I agree with your points (not the racist one. Seriously, what voice in your head told you it was a good idea to post that?)

In ME2 in insanity I always put my team away from the action because they are so damn dumb. If there's an encounter in the next room, for example, I tell my team to hold still in the hallway because I know for a fact that the moment the shooting starts they're gonna die. They run around like chickens with their heads cut off, don't take cover when low on health, and have no idea what weapons to use (Seriously Garrus, why pull out that sniper rifle against Husks when I told you to use your assault rifle?). The only good thing about squadmates are their abilities and they don't even have to be in the same room to use them.

I've never been an elite commando. I've never been part of Delta Force/Seal Team 6 or SAS/SBS. I've never fought in a war as part of an elite Special Forces unit. But when I watch documentaries on the SAS or Seal Team 6 I don't see them running in front of bullets or attacking somebody with a tazer. When I see the SAS team raiding the embassy in the UK a few decades ago I see them working perfectly, quietly, and most importantly, like an elite team. When I see remakes of Operation Neptune I don't see Seals shouting "I can't do that!" or disobeying orders. They do what they were trained to do, nothing less and a whole lot more.

Like wise, when I play R6, RC, or watch gameplay of Gears of War 3 I see fantastic squad AI taking cover, helping the player when possible, and flanking the enemy ON THEIR OWN. ME has alot to improve on in this department.

[Soul Cool]

Epic777 wrote...
Cheez, BSN might as well be a virtual arena with the amount of fighting and personal duels that take place here daily.

The only recompanse for such a violent sense of injury afflicted upon honest, intelligent people attempting to improve a virtual entertainment item that they desire to enjoy can be nothing short of a duel upon a field of honor. If that method of recourse is not available, screaming at each other 'til our faces turn red and our breath grows short shall have to suffice.

[AtreiyaN7]

I honestly can't believe that someone could be this obtuse...no one is saying that the ME3 AI should be some kind of clone of the GOW3 AI. What people are saying is that the way in which the AI was handled in GoW 3 is something that can be studied and learned from.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:06 .

[meiwow2]

jreezy wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

@LeVaughnX
I don't care how good gow's ai is, you don't just take something you like from a game and put it into another, that's not how it works.

You can't be serious. That is how it works and has worked for over 30 years.

Maybe for the people who like games like gow and cod, not for the rest of the world. That's my point.

[Aggie Punbot]

meiwow2 wrote...

What do you mean by evolved cod players?

Mutated fish benefit everyone.

[meiwow2]

Soul Cool wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

@LeVaughnX
I don't care how good gow's ai is, you don't just take something you like from a game and put it into another, that's not how it works.

Reading comprehension. You do not have it.

The ME team has to worry about a lot more in general than the gow team. Their focus shouldn't shift to "making your perfect gow like action rpg game" And I'm not any more ignorant for having this opinion than you are for thinking they should make the ai like gow's.

Really really do not have it.

And why do you think that smart guy? or are you just attacking a dumb shooter hater?

[Terror_K]

Soul Cool wrote...

Thinking something is dumb does not automatically make it so. I think coloring your hair is dumb, but, if people beleive they gain some sort of benefit from it and it doesn't harm anyone else, why should what I think about it stop people from doing it?

Regarding what you said, particularly the bolded part, that really depends what you mean by "doesn't harm anyone else" exactly. One could argue that while games like CoD and Gears and their massive popularity aren't directly harming anybody in the most literal sense of the term, one could argue that they are harming the gaming industry and resulting in a lack of real variation and diversity in gaming titles these days, by overall causing developers to all aim for the same, big audience for the sake of $$$ rather than actually making more quality, deeper titles that suit an audience that prefers something a tad more cerebral and less mindless. Some feel that BioWare has lost its way recently by pandering to a more mainstream audience in order to go for the larger CoD/Gears players, and that ME2 and DA2 have suffered for it. This is basically the same mentality and pandering that's resulting in Syndicate being rebooted as another mindless, gritty brown shooter instead of a more complex strategy title like the original. And surprise, surprise, EA are behind that too.

I have no problem with there being games like Gears and CoD out there per se. I even enjoy the earlier CoD's and play the original Gears now and then on PC (and am even somewhat bitter that Cliffy B turned his back on the platform that got him where he is now and refused to port the sequels because PC players didn't ejaculate over Gears like the 360 ones did). What I have a problem with is games lately all becoming the same brown drivel as everything else because almost all AAA titles are being aimed at the same mainstream market these days, as well as the overall oversimplification and console-ification of modern games as a whole.

[The_11thDoctor]

I dont know about Gears having perfect AI since it glitched out just like ME's, but it was worlds better than ME AI... Like most games. I felt like a baby sitter in ME1-2 and that was my main reason for wanting human party members thru co-op or multiplayer, but I see nothing but frustration in my future in ME3... Just like we'll have another mini-annoyance bioware wont let die. I spent most of ME1-2 without a squad for the same reasons.
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Quote: - They always CROUCHED in cover instead of ENGAGING in TAKING COVER. Meaning they would crouch behind the cover or near it and never fire a single shot nor would they lean in and out of cover. It was really bad and it was a game design flaw.

- They died almost as soon as the action started. I would frequently find them running straight into enemy fire with no real logic.

- Rarely did they listen to my commands and move to where I put the squad thing. They would shout ""CAN'T GET THERE!"" every five seconds which just grinded my friggen gears.

Over all I felt like I was playing baby sitter with the A.I. during ME1 and ME2. This is one problem (out of many) that will cause me to honestly not buy Mass Effect 3. I'm not trolling nor am I "raging" but this is an honest problem I found with the two games that Bioware "claimed" to have solved but didn't. I don't enjoy having a squad that doesn't do anything I ask and doesn't do sh*t in terms of usefullness.
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I doubt it'll change. I bet they made it even worst since the AI now have new parameters for the enemies! Squad mates getting stuck downstairs when I go up, not shooting, looking at walls instead of fighting, falling thru the floor, disappearing on from the level, instant dying without firing a bullet... I love the atmosphere of ME and the squad mates themselves, but the gun play seeing how ME is a shooter with RPG thrown on top when your out of a fight... It feels basically like a shooter without the tight mechanics of a real one. The story never made sense from ME1-2, but the story is told in the highest quality available to date within a games engine that's interactive. Im buying ME3 day 1, so dont think Im hating on it, but let's be real here. There are tons of flaws in the games. I was playing it yesterday to re obtain my romances I had back on the 360 before I got rid of it.(PS3 now) It's painful going back into ME2 due to all the glitches and bad AI. I had to quit several times and stop yelling at my TV before I could continue. It's mind blowing how bad it is. Id love to see a bug list of all the glitches in ME2 alone. DA2 cant be that much worst. I'd almost place bets on the bug count. AI might have been better, but I cant recall.

[meiwow2]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I honestly can't believe that someone could be this obtuse...no one is saying that the ME3 AI should be some kind of clone of the GOW3 AI. What people are saying is that the way in which the AI was handled in GoW 3 is something that can be studied and learned from.

And I'm saying no it isn't, I'm being honest here. The whole fight here is about these guys not having someone like me opose the idea of injecting more gow into ME sort of speak and so they call me things like ignorant for having that opinion.

[didymos1120]

meiwow2 wrote...


And I'm saying no it isn't, I'm being honest here. The whole fight here is about these guys not having someone like me opose the idea of injecting more gow into ME sort of speak and so they call me things like ignorant for having that opinion.

Uh, no. Now stop beating that poor strawman. 

[meiwow2]

jreezy wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

meiwow2 wrote...

@LeVaughnX
I don't care how good gow's ai is, you don't just take something you like from a game and put it into another, that's not how it works.

You can't be serious. That is how it works and has worked for over 30 years.

Maybe for the people who like games like gow and cod, not for the rest of the world. That's my point.

Trolling now I see. Message recieved. 

Not really bro, there's plenty of people out there like me (like Terror_K) who agree that games like cod and gow are hurting other series. With very valid points which I'm not gonna go into for the sake of not derailing the topic.

Modifié par meiwow2, 25 septembre 2011 - 06:18 .