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lazuli wrote...

Apologies.  I hope the second part of my post clarified my point, though.  Shepard needs people that are outstanding or the best at what they do.  Shepard needs people that tackle their foes through second story windows, not people that need a stranger to come and deliver them from a racist volus and pushover CSEC guard.


The "best of the best" thing is really tiresome as far as I'm concerned.  This wasn't prevalent in the first game.  I don't know why it became a sticking point when the first game didn't have any of it.

My point was that Tali received basic combat training.  She wasn't a soldier before she met Shepard.  She had tenacity, but that same tenacity could have gotten her killed when she cornered that lone Geth to get at its audio banks.  

Keep in mind that with the pilgrimage Quarians are subtley coerced to put themselves in harms way in hopes that they can bring back something worthwhile to the flotilla.  Tali's comments about all that and then the reveal about her father support that last statement.  These are veritable "wet-behind-the-ears" kids who have a likelihood of going through hell with the reward being they are granted adult status...if they aren't killed first.  They're probably just below the level of Jenkins in the first game in regards to combat readiness though I don't think they're different in attitude.  

Every Quarian on pilgrimage also has no intention of going back to the flotilla empty-handed or with a poor showing of what they've managed to accomplish.  So they would probably spend more time taking another risk or greater risk just to save face.  Or they spend more time in general trying to correct mistakes they've made before they continue trying to complete their pilgrimage.  The Quarian slave on Illium is a great example of that as well as Kenn on Omega if you don't try to help out his situation.

And going back to the "best of the best" motif, this is one of the reasons why I liked the narrative presented in the first game.  We didn't need heros or superheros to get things done.  We had regular people (for the most part) doing extraordinary things.

So Tali and any Quarian that brings back anything worthwhile really just gets lucky.

Caveat: As 1136342t54 wrote, she could be brought on as an engineer on the ship.

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Xeranx wrote...

The "best of the best" thing is really tiresome as far as I'm concerned.  This wasn't prevalent in the first game.  I don't know why it became a sticking point when the first game didn't have any of it.


It wasn't prevalent in the first game because the stakes have risen, or so Bioware would like us to think.  There are plenty of forum-regulars that don't like ME2's plot or think that it was just a diversion.  I'm not one of them, but I can see why they think what they do.

You make some good points about Tali.  The reason she qualifies in ME2 is by that point she has more than proven herself.

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lazuli wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

The "best of the best" thing is really tiresome as far as I'm concerned.  This wasn't prevalent in the first game.  I don't know why it became a sticking point when the first game didn't have any of it.


It wasn't prevalent in the first game because the stakes have risen, or so Bioware would like us to think.  There are plenty of forum-regulars that don't like ME2's plot or think that it was just a diversion.  I'm not one of them, but I can see why they think what they do.


But higher stakes requires recruiting those who have proven themselves if our goal is to bring on the best of the best.  Tali and Garrus fit the bill by the time ME2 comes around, but we have a number that haven't seen active combat in a long time, at all, or at all as part of a group.  That applies to at least six of the people we intended to pick up.  And what's really bad is that, for some of them, their skillsets aren't used at all at any point in the main quest.

I don't think we can keep prescribing to the "best of the best" ideal if the best that we pick up end up being unfit for the task at hand or underutilized. 

ETA: My apologies for dragging this off-topic.

Modifié par Xeranx, 15 octobre 2011 - 05:48 .


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Female drell. That is all.

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Ignoring the fact that this was resurrected like a New Testament miracle, we can now at least say we do, in fact, have a new "female" squad mate.

...Unfortunately, "she needed to be sexy."

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Random Jerkface wrote...

Ignoring the fact that this was resurrected like a New Testament miracle, we can now at least say we do, in fact, have a new "female" squad mate.

...Unfortunately, "she needed to be sexy."

Yeah, I'm going to slither into a corner and bemoan the state of humanity for a while.

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She need to be female turian. Come on BSN folks, we got enough humans already.

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After seeing the art book... it's EDI. That or it's a DLC squadmate that we haven't heard of yet that'll be announced post-launch.

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ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

need to be female turian


This is truth.

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Couldn't he have been talking about Diana Allers?

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dtmoss wrote...

Couldn't he have been talking about Diana Allers?

Nope she isn't a squadmate though. Most of the time when the term squadmate is applied it would mean going out into battle/combat with. Since we have no idea really how EDI moves or looks in game (besides what we have seen in art book leak scan), I am going to wait before judging. Has the entire artbook been posted online yet?

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Genshie wrote...

dtmoss wrote...

Couldn't he have been talking about Diana Allers?

Nope she isn't a squadmate though. Most of the time when the term squadmate is applied it would mean going out into battle/combat with. Since we have no idea really how EDI moves or looks in game (besides what we have seen in art book leak scan), I am going to wait before judging. Has the entire artbook been posted online yet?


The word "squadmate" was not used in that tweet at all. It could be Allers. It's not EDI because he said they "invented her for ME3". That means she hasn't been in past Mass Effect stories.

Modifié par Inutaisho7996, 06 février 2012 - 05:33 .