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[Lazy Jer]

"You spirit seems wounded I hope you found a balm for it here."

...or words to that effect, I forget the exact quote.  Anyway above was quoted by the Grand Cleric after you distracted her for Mr. Rational Thinking (aka Anders), so he could plant his mystic bomb.  The thing is, the word balm sounds an awful lot like the word bomb.  It almost makes me think, did she someone know this was going to happen?  Was it just an interesting choice of words on the part of the writers, or was the Grand Cleric in the know about Anders plan somehow and let it happen for reasons of her own?

What do y'all think?

[TEWR]

ehh no I doubt it. I mean, Anders' bomb actually was a magical balm bomb, but I don't think in game she knew.

Though I've entertained a thought where she did in fact know in my head for a while now, but it's more for my fanfiction because like I said above she didn't know in-game. You just need to look at her expression when the Chantry blows up.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 25 septembre 2011 - 05:21 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

If it was anything, I think it was just an ironic choice of words serving as a minor bit of foreshadowing. Kind of similar to how Anders said "Boom! Justice and I are separated" when he was explaining his lie to Hawke. It would be rather strange that the Grand Cleric knew what Anders was doing but Hawke wouldn't. Besides, the destruction of the Chantry hardly resulted in anything Elthina would want, much less something she would sacrifice herself and  everyone else in the Chantry to achieve.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 25 septembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[Arthur Cousland]

I don't think she knew about Anders' plans, though she didn't seem to mind too much about the thought of dying in the Maker's service, after you try to warn her after speaking to Leliana. Even if she did know, she wasn't going to leave.

She probably knew that Anders had a lot on his mind and was suggesting that Anders may have been in the chantry to pray to the Maker or something similar.

[SirSponge]

I agree with Jedi, it's nothing but foreshadowing. If you complete all the convo's with Anders leading up the Act III, he gives a lot of different inuendos (sorry if I misspelled that) to what his plan is. You just have to pay attention to what he says.

[Arthur Cousland]

Yes, Anders pretty much spells out his plans in advance, especially if you rival him.

After he plants the bomb, he'll say something like, "I would kill anyone in Kirkwall to free the mages!". I forget the exact wording, but he makes it obvious that he plans to kill Elthina.  That might be mentioned during his questioning beliefs quest.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 25 septembre 2011 - 09:36 .

[Torax]

As was mentioned at most it was just foreshadowing like much of that quest was. Even the mats you collect have slight nods to the outcome. It was just Bioware being clever with words to amuse anyone that was able to put 2 and 2 together during the quests.

[Gervaise]

Elthina doesn't know about the bomb but she does know that Anders is dangerous. If you report him to Cullen then he replies that he "has already warned the Knight Commander and Elthina about him". Cullen of course would know Anders from his days with the Ferelden Circle - I think the reason they initially do nothing about him is because of his status as a grey warden. I think that Elthina may well also sense the tension in Anders - call it feminine intuition if you like - and whilst not necessarily recognising the danger to herself personally, wishes to try and reclaim him. I do honestly believe that Elthina is a totally genuine disciple who tries to follow the Chant of Light, even if her beliefs are influenced by the Chantry's interpretation of it.

Elthina also says something interesting if you go and try and warn her a second time. She says "I hope you haven't come to try and persuade me to leave again. The Vicount lies dead and I will not leave my people to bear the price of war between the Templars and Malificarum." This was after another conversaton between Sebastian and Averline when he tells her that Elthina is worried because Meredith is no longer taking her advice. It would seem that by this point Elthina understands that Meredith at least sees it as Templars against Blood Mages and Elthina is the only thing that prevents it boiling over into an all out war - I honestly believe that the people Elthina is seeking to protect include the innocent Circle Mages and that is why Orsino seeks to appeal to her. It is also why Anders blows her up. He wants war, the resolutionists want war - they have no interest in appeasement or compromises and there is just a slim chance that Elthina might be persuaded to speak out against Meredith and do something in this direction. So he is not just attacking the Chantry as a symbol but Elthina personally. My spiritually married Hawke also believes that in defending the innocent Circle Mages from the injustice of the Right of Annulment, she is doing as Elthina would have wanted - this may be misguided but since we triumphed in the end, she is going with the idea and will use it everytime Sebastian questions whether we did the right thing.

[Arthur Cousland]

Elthina also tells Sebastian that no one would attack her because she is the Grand Cleric, when he tries to warn her. I'm sure she can tell that Anders has a lot on his mind, but she thinks she is invincible because of her position.

If she does know about Anders' intentions, Elthina probably just assumes that he wouldn't go through with it, because no one would dare harm the Grand Cleric.

[Loyal Tevinter]

I noticed throughout DA 2 in some dialog characters will say something that later turned out to be hints at something happening.

[Sepewrath]

lol well if she let it happen, she wont be around to tell us about it.

[Quething]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Elthina also tells Sebastian that no one would attack her because she is the Grand Cleric, when he tries to warn her. I'm sure she can tell that Anders has a lot on his mind, but she thinks she is invincible because of her position.

If she does know about Anders' intentions, Elthina probably just assumes that he wouldn't go through with it, because no one would dare harm the Grand Cleric.

I'm pretty sure she just says that to shut Sebastian up. She seems quite sure that Meredith could harm her if she pushes too hard (hence her passivity; watch her eyes shift when they're staring each other down at the end of the Act III opener), she's certainly under no illusions as to her own untouchability. But Sebastian might buy it, and thus stop being worrying pointlessly.

Modifié par Quething, 26 septembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[Arthur Cousland]

If Elthina is worried about Meredith, then why does she tell her to go back to the Gallows like a "good girl"?

Besides, if Meredith was to attack Elthina, then that would get the attention of the Divine, and would give them an excuse to call for an Exalted March. That probably would give Elthina even more reason to feel untouchable.

[Gervaise]

I doubt that Elthina is naive enough to think that she is untouchable. One assumes she will have been informed about the Resolutionists and their codex states:
"They engaged in acts of terror and sabotage against the Chantry throughout Thedas, and many are connected to Kirkwall's mage underground. They have declared that unless mages are freed to rule themselves, they will show every person in Thedas how little protection the Circle of Magi actually offers."
From this it would appear that there have already been instances of other Chantry's being targeted and this could account for why the Divine wants Elthina to leave It might also indicate that Ander's bomb plot was not unique to him and his other friends in the mage underground may have put the idea in his head. However, Elthina probably would not countenance that he was doing anything other than praying when she encounters him, particularly as he is on friendly terms with the champion.

[schalafi]

I think "balm" and "bomb" was just some clever pla;y on words by the writers, rather than Elthina knowing what Anders was going to do. I doubt very much that Elthena, as arrogant as she was to say that no one would harm a Grand Cleric, would have stayed in the Chantry if she knew Anders was going to bomb it.

[esper]

It is foreshadowing. Elthina is not a type of character that would sacrifice the other sisters in the chantry to prove a point.

[Gemini1179]

Lazy Jer wrote...

"You spirit seems wounded I hope you found a balm for it here."

...or words to that effect, I forget the exact quote.  Anyway above was quoted by the Grand Cleric after you distracted her for Mr. Rational Thinking (aka Anders), so he could plant his mystic bomb.  The thing is, the word balm sounds an awful lot like the word bomb.  It almost makes me think, did she someone know this was going to happen?  Was it just an interesting choice of words on the part of the writers, or was the Grand Cleric in the know about Anders plan somehow and let it happen for reasons of her own?

What do y'all think?

If she did know, and let it happen, it was the smartest thing she did in the whole game. It's clear that Kirkwall is way past working out a peacefull solution and really, the only solution was the V for Vendetta/Revan solution of Forced Revolution.

[Urzon]

It would have been funny if Elthina would have done a Obi Wan quote after Anders came back from planting the bomb.

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine."

She then turns into a secret hidden spirit boss in DA3.