I mean, he/she got killed at the beggining of ME2, and it took some time for Liara to find th body and give it to Lazarus project, do you think Shep's soul remained in the body or left thus making Shep soulless? I wanna hear your arguments people cause I don't know what to think on this one...
Is Shep's soul still there?
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:52
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Oooor you're just trying to spark a religious flamewarI wanna hear your arguments people cause I don't know what to think on this one...
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:53
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Sheploo don't have no soul man.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:55
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Facepalm, you've got to be a troll.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:55
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Shepard: "Miranda-creator, does this unit have a soul?"
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:56
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I think this is something Bioware left open for what people believe in.
My friend believes that Shepard soul left but came back at some point when revived. Either through God sending it back or in the case that Shepard was not done yet with her/his life, the soul was following the body that was not put to rest properly and just went back.
It's just Shepard will not remember his/her time as a spirit. Or I guess you can pretend Shepard does and just keeps it to him/her self.
I think otherwise, but it's a few theories for those that believe in souls.
My friend believes that Shepard soul left but came back at some point when revived. Either through God sending it back or in the case that Shepard was not done yet with her/his life, the soul was following the body that was not put to rest properly and just went back.
It's just Shepard will not remember his/her time as a spirit. Or I guess you can pretend Shepard does and just keeps it to him/her self.
I think otherwise, but it's a few theories for those that believe in souls.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:56
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No. Foolish humans, only Quarians have souls.
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On a more serious note, depending on your religion / views on spirituality, the soul may remain in the body after death for some time, or it can go straight on to the afterlife. It really comes down to what you believe in.
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On a more serious note, depending on your religion / views on spirituality, the soul may remain in the body after death for some time, or it can go straight on to the afterlife. It really comes down to what you believe in.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:57
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if you are religious, you can use apologetics to say that your deity/deities of choice gave it back to Shep so (s)he can fulfill his/her destiny and save the galaxy (which begs the question as to why they're not doing anything to stop the Reapers but w/e)
if you are not, you can just say there's no such thing as a soul (at least in the ME universe) and that a person's mind is just chemistry and not feel-good magic spirits or something to that effect...
I'm heavily generalizing but that's the general gist of it...
if you are not, you can just say there's no such thing as a soul (at least in the ME universe) and that a person's mind is just chemistry and not feel-good magic spirits or something to that effect...
I'm heavily generalizing but that's the general gist of it...
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 03:58
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These things usually turn into flamewars on the internet. But since I'm a person who do believe that we all have souls, I would say that Shepard got her soul back from where ever it had gone the moment she came back alive.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:09
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If his brain is there, his 'soul' is there.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:10
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His soul was saved by a Soul Hunter.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:23
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"Marty, you're just not thinking fourth-dimensionally."
It's not a linear equation. The soul, like all spiritual entities, has a fundamentally different relationship to spacetime than physical beings do. In other words it doesn't really matter if Shepard were dead for a millisecond or a million years, her soul is her soul.
I like to borrow David Weber's "the soul going to sleep" analogy from his Safehold books.
In the books a young woman, a naval officer, dies; while a cybernetic avatar, an exact neurological and psychological duplicate, of that young woman lives on. This entity, in his/her (read the books, you'll see what I mean by "his/her") quiet moments, often questions the spiritual and philosophical implications of his/her nature: "Am I the same person who died all those years ago? Am I a new person, with a different soul but the same memories? Am I just a robot following a rather complex program?"
In other words asking all the questions Shepard could/should have asked.
The best answer (I think) s/he gets is from a priest who tells him/her that s/he is a new person with the same soul, that the soul of the young naval officer who died never passed on, but just went to sleep for awhile until it was needed again.
Can any of that apply to Shepard? I think so.
It's not a linear equation. The soul, like all spiritual entities, has a fundamentally different relationship to spacetime than physical beings do. In other words it doesn't really matter if Shepard were dead for a millisecond or a million years, her soul is her soul.
I like to borrow David Weber's "the soul going to sleep" analogy from his Safehold books.
In the books a young woman, a naval officer, dies; while a cybernetic avatar, an exact neurological and psychological duplicate, of that young woman lives on. This entity, in his/her (read the books, you'll see what I mean by "his/her") quiet moments, often questions the spiritual and philosophical implications of his/her nature: "Am I the same person who died all those years ago? Am I a new person, with a different soul but the same memories? Am I just a robot following a rather complex program?"
In other words asking all the questions Shepard could/should have asked.
The best answer (I think) s/he gets is from a priest who tells him/her that s/he is a new person with the same soul, that the soul of the young naval officer who died never passed on, but just went to sleep for awhile until it was needed again.
Can any of that apply to Shepard? I think so.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:35
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there's also the issue of the definition of soul. Different cultures and even different people within those cultures have their own interpretation of what a soul is. So whose definition are we using here?
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:39
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AdmiralCheez wrote...
Souls do not exist.
^this
And if you disagree, find us ones shred of evidence proving that they do.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:42
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humm.... computer avatars have souls now?!
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:45
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Paragon Shep's soul was restored by Cerberus.
Renegade Shep never had a soul.
Renegade Shep never had a soul.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:50
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"We don't have bodies, we ARE bodies"
- Christopher Hitchens
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:50
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Didn't Shepard gets his brain restored by Lazarus project?
Then what's the problem?
Then what's the problem?
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:51
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Well, it does say that Shep had a "spark" of life left, and that was why they could be brought back. Perhaps Shep's soul was still with him/her as there was still "life" clinging to their mortal body.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 04:55
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alex90c wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Souls do not exist.
^this
And if you disagree, find us ones shred of evidence proving that they do.
The OP asked for opinions and again, Bioware left it open for whatever people believe in and made nothing canon. If you don't believe in souls and have nothing constructive to answer the OP's question about your opinion, then you shouldn't post. I agree with you two, but I'm not going to trash on people's belief systems. In fact, I'll peacefully share what I think happened.
I think that when shepard died, shepard died, there was no afterlife and Cerberus merely revived the flesh to function for life again. The belief system I was raised in did not believe in souls and all the aspects of your personality come from you and not a seperate entity that will live you body upon death. So I simply think accordingly.
See how easy that was to create a peaceful opinion. I think, I believe, my view is this, instead of you are wrong and giving nothing to support your opinion?
This thread can be a mature, civilized dicussion without trolling and flamewars. In fact any discussion in these forums can be. I don't understand why people insist on instigating it and crying it the second anyone tries to post anything. It's like you people live for it.
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Posté 25 septembre 2011 - 05:01
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Lucky Thirteen wrote...
alex90c wrote...
AdmiralCheez wrote...
Souls do not exist.
^this
And if you disagree, find us ones shred of evidence proving that they do.
The OP asked for opinions and again, Bioware left it open for whatever people believe in and made nothing canon. If you don't believe in souls and have nothing constructive to answer the OP's question about your opinion, then you shouldn't post. I agree with you two, but I'm not going to trash on people's belief systems. In fact, I'll peacefully share what I think happened.
I think that when shepard died, shepard died, there was no afterlife and Cerberus merely revived the flesh to function for life again. The belief system I was raised in did not believe in souls and all the aspects of your personality come from you and not a seperate entity that will live you body upon death. So I simply think accordingly.
See how easy that was to create a peaceful opinion. I think, I believe, my view is this, instead of you are wrong and giving nothing to support your opinion?
This thread can be a mature, civilized dicussion without trolling and flamewars. In fact any discussion in these forums can be. I don't understand why people insist on instigating it and crying it the second anyone tries to post anything. It's like you people live for it.
I'll trash peoples' beliefs as much as I want until the day they can finally come up with a better reason than "it just is" in regards to the existence of certain things. In this case, souls, which is just a pile of BS.
