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Lucky Thirteen wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

No. The vast majortity of people now are religious, which has always been the case. And the vast majority choose not to use basic logic to determine issues like this. They go with the warm and fuzzy feelings.

I swear to the invisible rainbow unicorn, garden gnomes exist. Look you can buy them on Amazon.

How dare you mistake our goddess' name. She is the invisible pink unicorn.

[Mims]

I always find it interesting that people are inclined to pass over religion because of personal beliefs, like it couldn't be a viable character trait to have. [or visa versa] From a roleplaying perspective, the idea of how an atheistic Shepard and a 'faithful' Shepard might approach death seems very interesting. It would have been nice to have more dialogue about it.

Between my Sheps, I'd say they run the gamut of what they believe.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Maybe, if there is a higher power in the ME universe, it allowed Shepard's "soul" to stay in his/hers body, because it had foreknowledge that Cerberus would bring him/her back.

[Quole]

ReconTeam wrote...

Quole wrote...
If it was ANYONE else then maybe I would take that seriously.

I don't recall you holding a grude against me. Where can I put you on the list of people who do and under what category? I got to keep this all organized you see.

Someone who realizes that Terran players got to know their place.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

What place would that be? below you? that sentence sounds very arrogant, who are you to decide which players are better or worse?

Forgive me if I have misunderstood but your statement above sounds rather arrogant and superior to me. Why are you taking that tone with him?

[Dave of Canada]

If somebody believes in reincarnation, what happened to Shepard? Was he reborn a puppy?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 septembre 2011 - 12:57 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Soul?

[nitefyre410]

Interesting question OP unfortunately - on the BSN these types of the discussion go poorly because the degrade into the science vs spirituality debate nothing to do with whether a man has a soul or not. Because both are just two ways of the trying to understand the very same thing. What we a human beings see around us. Both don't have all the answers or the absolute answer... right now its all inconclusive. There are theories, test, debate between both sides and with both camps - boils it to we really just don't know.

Look at someone in a coma - they are "alive" the body is still functioning but "They" the person is not there. The memories, emotions, hopes, dreams, fears, etc are just not there its like the higher level consciousness is just gone - well they where does it go? What happens to it?

I think to really answer this question of "Do we have a soul?" you have to first ponder the question of " What makes us "alive"?

[Killjoy Cutter]

nitefyre410 wrote...
 Because both are just two ways of the trying to understand the very same thing. 

No.

[nitefyre410]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
 Because both are just two ways of the trying to understand the very same thing. 

No.

 

Yes 

[jamesp81]

I'd guess God determined that Shepard wasn't done saving the galaxy, so He sent him back. My take on the matter.

[jamesp81]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

*waits for a Ginger joke*

Now, now.  The rumor that gingers don't have souls is a vicious lie.  Of course they have souls.  Most have several.  They collect them:lol:

Modifié par jamesp81, 26 septembre 2011 - 02:10 .

[nitefyre410]

jamesp81 wrote...

saMOOrai182 wrote...

*waits for a Ginger joke*

Now, now.  The rumor that gingers don't have souls is a viscious lie.  Of course they have souls.  Most have several.  They collect them:lol:

 


and candy them - souls are delicious... nom nom. 

[jamesp81]

Nyoka wrote...

Miranda is Andraste reincarnated.

Heresy.  Everyone knows Liara is Andraste reborn.

[Faolin]

*dodges the existance of souls argument/trainwreck*

While I personally didn't see Bioware's decision to gloss over the philosophical issues surrounding rebirth as a problem, I didn't really think avoiding it was necessary. I seem to remember a possible conversation with Ashley about God that allowed Shepard to either express or reject religious beliefs.

Just have a whole bunch of different options on the dialogue wheel that relate to a few basic beliefs. And one "cop-out" option (ie: "I don't want to waste time thinking about it") for those who don't like any of the options available.

[nitefyre410]

Faolin wrote...

*dodges the existance of souls argument/trainwreck*

While I personally didn't see Bioware's decision to gloss over the philosophical issues surrounding rebirth as a problem, I didn't really think avoiding it was necessary. I seem to remember a possible conversation with Ashley about God that allowed Shepard to either express or reject religious beliefs.

Just have a whole bunch of different options on the dialogue wheel that relate to a few basic beliefs. And one "cop-out" option (ie: "I don't want to waste time thinking about it") for those who don't like any of the options available.

  


Its not   but it is kinda of the annoying because it comes off as trying to avoid controvesy  just to avoid controvesy - it the same thing with the toned  down sex scenes and the same sex relationship.  I with its  a game about options  so so just give some options maybe some surface discussion nothing  to deep.  So if the player wants to explore it they can - if not simply move on to the next. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 26 septembre 2011 - 02:49 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

Or it could be they didn't think about it. Every time any hero in comics/movies/games has died and been brought back extremely few had any deep philosophical and religious questions about it. They just went back to work.

Whether they thought about it or not it's left open for the player to decide. Would have been nice to have the option to discuss it in the game, but you know.

[nitefyre410]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

Or it could be they didn't think about it. Every time any hero in comics/movies/games has died and been brought back extremely few had any deep philosophical and religious questions about it. They just went back to work.

Whether they thought about it or not it's left open for the player to decide. Would have been nice to have the option to discuss it in the game, but you know.

  


This is true but Comics always  use different plot devices to  bring people back that side step  religious discussion. Most involving time travel, altering reality  on a base level to Alien  abuction and invasion of the body snatchers and the clasic  Clones, To virus that reanimate the dead that were  created by characters     I think  what leaves things so open with Mass Effect is that - they just rebuilt him on like the 65 million dollar man.   So it leaves some debate open.  Always there characters in comics   that have died and have stayed very, very dead dispite alot things. 

[knightnblu]

You know, that is a good question. From a Buddhist perspective he never had one anyway. Ditto from an existentialist perspective. This is because for there to be an afterlife, there must be something that remains of the individual after death and in the west we call it the soul. Not to be confused with '70's blackspliotation movies who used the term often and not in that context.

From a Jewish, Christian, and Muslim perspectives, there is a soul and once released it cannot be retrieved to the body unless God wills it to be so. Therefore the question becomes one of can one convince God to do so.

I would have to opine that the answer to your question resides completely within the individual to whom it is asked and it is therefore relevant only to that individual.

How's that for a philosophical answer?

[nelly21]

He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.

I'm sorry, I had to do it.

[Morty Smith]

You should ask that Volus. Problem solved.

[Arokel]

For those of us who believe in a soul I have an idea. I think at some point someone says that there was a little spark of life left in Shepard (aka only "mostly dead"). If we accept that as true then theoretically his soul never left his body.

It does'nt really matter in the end though. Its a video game. We can rationalize it however we want.

I also have to say that I am pleased with how mature this thread has been overall.

[jamesp81]

Arokel wrote...

For those of us who believe in a soul I have an idea. I think at some point someone says that there was a little spark of life left in Shepard (aka only "mostly dead"). If we accept that as true then theoretically his soul never left his body.

It does'nt really matter in the end though. Its a video game. We can rationalize it however we want.

I also have to say that I am pleased with how mature this thread has been overall.

You should probably read the second and third pages:lol:

[Arokel]

jamesp81 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

For those of us who believe in a soul I have an idea. I think at some point someone says that there was a little spark of life left in Shepard (aka only "mostly dead"). If we accept that as true then theoretically his soul never left his body.

It does'nt really matter in the end though. Its a video game. We can rationalize it however we want.

I also have to say that I am pleased with how mature this thread has been overall.

You should probably read the second and third pages:lol:

Thats why I said overall lol.  Could be a lot worse.

[CaptainBlackGold]

[quote]General User wrote...

[/quote]

In the Gospels, Lazarus makes only a brief appearance. 

In the Apocrypha, however, there are tales of Lazarus traveling all over the Roman Empire in his stealth trireme, the "Zama", recruiting a team of Iron Age super commandos, including: a grizzled Roman Legion veteran turned mercenary, a Briton druidic priestess, a Greek doctor/inventor, a Germanic berserker, one of Ptolemy's infamous female spies, and a warrior/rabbi with a secret past.

Together they traveled the ancient world, fighting crime, righting wrongs and (surprisingly) meeting many of the same people over and over again. All the while fighting to prevent the return of the ancient Mesopotamian gods of death and destruction.[/quote]

This was hilarious!

But I looked through my copy of the Apocrypha, and couldn't find this particular story - must have been one of the "lost" Gnostic ones.

However, I did hear that this did inspired a Sci-Fy channel Saturday night, low budget, badly done CGI, original movie with one of the lesser (over-weight) Baldwins playing Lazarus...

And Felica Day has a cameo as a spunky Jewish nerd...