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[1upD]

 I'm having a tough time deciding whether I should submit the evidence in Tali's trial on my "paragade" lawful good playthrough. I was wondering which decisions specifically are recorded in the variables? Is there a complete list somewhere? Because if the decision to allow Legion to continue transmitting after Tali's loyalty is saved, I definitely want the chance to do that.

[Gallimatia]

If the decision was not saved how would Tali know what you did?

Modifié par Gallimatia, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:23 .

[1upD]

Gallimatia wrote...

If the decision was not saved how would Tali know what you did?

That's a good point.  Tali does have unique dialogue after you pick legion, doesn't she? ("Why don't you go talk to your pet geth?") I'm still unsure if this will have consequences in ME3 or if it's simply a matter of Tali and Legion's loyalties.  I guess it would appear in the plot variables either way, but I'm curious to see them. Isn't there a list somewhere?  

[1upD]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

1upD wrote...

 I'm having a tough time deciding whether I should submit the evidence in Tali's trial on my "paragade" lawful good playthrough. I was wondering which decisions specifically are recorded in the variables? Is there a complete list somewhere? Because if the decision to allow Legion to continue transmitting after Tali's loyalty is saved, I definitely want the chance to do that.

Your "good" character is allowing Legion to steal and transmit data that could potentially start a war? I'd hate to see what you consider evil.

My "good" character was my main/canon paragon character. This one might be a little... 'misguided'.  However, I'm not entirely sure it's necessarily the wrong thing to do to let Legion transmit the data.  He's trying to warn his people of a potential invasion.  I don't think the Geth are going to start a war either way, but they can prepare in the event that they are attacked. (I'm pretending I don't know that the Geth will most likely be converted into heretics in ME3) This Shepard supports the Geth because he thinks it was unethical for the Quarians to shut them down and that the Geth were only acting in self-defense. That's actually a much better reason than my first character, who supported the Quarians because Tali.

[spartacusthegod]

I agree with what you're trying to say, I can see where your main Shep's coming from. My main Paragon had them compromise, however he had ALSO told the Admiralty Board to keep away from war with the Geth.

I feel that a very certain few missions will be INCREDIBLY useful to have finished when you carry over to ME3. Tali's, because you get to tell the Board whether or not you think they should go to war, Legion's, because you choose to remove the Heretics, or strengthen the Geth and make them a more powerful ally to have, and absolutely Mordin's, because hey, who DOESN'T want an army of foot-based trucks with shotguns to get a huge morale boost and be loyal to you? Genophage cure will be a huge part. Zaeed's might matter a little, considering it involves the leadership of the Blue Suns. The only other one that jumps immediately to mind would be Grunt's, and only because it would give you a stronger tie to the leading Krogan clan, while also weakening one of their biggest competitors. Mordin's mission also weakens the other main Urdnot rival.

However, you mentioned you're "pretending you don't know the geth will be heretics." I'm thinking, that since they're using the default ME3 profile for all of this, that this particular Shepard, the default story with no carried-over data, didn't have the loyalty quests for most, if not all, of the teammates completed. It shows Shepard stabbing a Geth in one screenshot. Think for a second: if you never did Legion's loyalty quest, that means the Heretics are still out there and still a threat, right? AND if you didn't do his mission, that also means the Heretics could have used their little virus on the rest of the Geth... and suddenly they're all Heretics, or mostly Heretics, and you have to fight them a lot more.

Just a little food for thought... the Geth might not necessarily become an enemy you need to fight in every ME3 playthrough. A couple of my Sheps are either not gaining his loyalty, or in one case they're actually going to (*sobs*) sell him. It's gonna be interesting what ends up happening in ME3 with each of them (I have 7 different Shepards...).

[1upD]

spartacusthegod wrote...
However, you mentioned you're "pretending you don't know the geth will be heretics." I'm thinking, that since they're using the default ME3 profile for all of this, that this particular Shepard, the default story with no carried-over data, didn't have the loyalty quests for most, if not all, of the teammates completed. It shows Shepard stabbing a Geth in one screenshot. Think for a second: if you never did Legion's loyalty quest, that means the Heretics are still out there and still a threat, right? AND if you didn't do his mission, that also means the Heretics could have used their little virus on the rest of the Geth... and suddenly they're all Heretics, or mostly Heretics, and you have to fight them a lot more.

Just a little food for thought... the Geth might not necessarily become an enemy you need to fight in every ME3 playthrough. A couple of my Sheps are either not gaining his loyalty, or in one case they're actually going to (*sobs*) sell him. It's gonna be interesting what ends up happening in ME3 with each of them (I have 7 different Shepards...).

That's true. I just figured somehow the Rannoch campaign would end up having Shepard, Legion, and the Quarians teaming up against the Geth on every playthrough.  It's entirely possible that based on past decisions the Geth could be replaced entirely by Cerberus troops and husks. That'd be a little boring, but I'm sure the story would make up for it.  Somehow the former theory still seems likely to me. Differences of that magnitude are hard to make.

[spartacusthegod]

It's incredible, the diversity they're going to be pulling off for this game. I'm pumped beyond belief, mainly for all the amazing different things you will be able to do. To get the full experience, I'm making sure all 7 either get carried over from 1, or at least go through Genesis, and they get a complete run of all big, main quests and all DLC for 2, before they hit 3.

The new Deus Ex, and Gears 3 will be horribly distracting from that goal though. But I know I'll do it, it's Mass Effect, how could I NOT play the game to a ridiculous extent, like 8 times what I've spent on most other games for the campaign/single player stuff combined. It's a ridiculous drug. You'll never be able to stay away until you get it all through your system.

[d1sciple]

spartacusthegod wrote...

It's incredible, the diversity they're going to be pulling off for this game. I'm pumped beyond belief, mainly for all the amazing different things you will be able to do. To get the full experience, I'm making sure all 7 either get carried over from 1, or at least go through Genesis, and they get a complete run of all big, main quests and all DLC for 2, before they hit 3.

The new Deus Ex, and Gears 3 will be horribly distracting from that goal though. But I know I'll do it, it's Mass Effect, how could I NOT play the game to a ridiculous extent, like 8 times what I've spent on most other games for the campaign/single player stuff combined. It's a ridiculous drug. You'll never be able to stay away until you get it all through your system.

i'm psyched as, but i'm still pretty cynical about the 'infinate' choice scenario. ME1 only gave you the illusion of choice, some people complain that ME2 was really linear when ME1 wasn't but it actually was, they just hid it better because there was less direct dialogue with characters and what seemed like more dialogue options and outcomes.
this is illustrated well when you import an ME1 shep into ME2, no matter what you did or said throughout there's only a few main points, Wrex living or not, ash/kaidon, council etc.

so when it comes to ME3 i'm still betting it'll be a pretty linear game, though ME2 has alot more major choices than ME1, or does it lol?
i'm guessing they will play out on a small scale, as in only really affecting your recruiting of races etc. and as people have said before, i really think that again there are only a handful of decisions that'll be carried over from ME2.

i wouldn't worry about deus ex, not worth time or money man, or gow, kick around some more on your choice of Fallout, hit some Batman 2 just for fun and finish a couple more sheps, you'll be way more satisfied lol.

[spartacusthegod]

True, I believe that only a few things carried over will MAJORLY affect ME3's gameplay, but you are incorrect with how almost nothing got carried over from ME2 to ME1. If you go and listen to the news reports, and listen in a bit more than you normally would, there are definite mentions of sidequests and such you did back in ME1. There's even a Rachni reference as well, they already apparently have scout ships, at the very least.

I believe ME3 will be much less linear than ME2 or the original. Choices from the original will come back, either to help or haunt you, and certain things from the second game will absolutely have a major impact. Others will have a minor impact, but I do believe they'll still be slightly involved at least.

Fallout I never played actually. I know plenty about it, I'm not that interested, but I'll probably pick up 3 or New Vegas eventually. I already have Deus Ex though, can't wait to play it and be a cyborg ninja XD

And, GoW3, I don't own it yet, but I've played a good 10-15 hours with a couple friends and I'm entirely hooked. No online nonsense for me, bots and friends only, but it's still a great game. Retro Lancer assassinations are very satisfying... even more so than using the Omni Blade will be.

All my Sheps will be finished, one by one. I've got all but Mordecai set up and at least done with Lazarus Station. Just gotta re-start my Vanguard, Hunter, because he didn't go through Genesis at first. Spartacus is done, Kate and Jacen are almost done. Alexander and Sarah are in the middle of that first colony, where you meet Tali again. I'll be finishing those one by one in the middle of my Gears 3 farming for fun and my ninja nonsense with Deus Ex.

[d1sciple]

oosh, well i'll pray for you as far as the deus ex goes man, lol...

but yeah those things didn't affect the story. you get a bunch of emails, maybe meet up with a few people and though that's really satisfying and also a great payoff they're still only little things and don't affect the major story or gameplay.

in fact, and this is where it gets crazy, if you run a renegade shep but go the paragon choice for the 3 big decisions in ME1, you still end up importing a seriously renegade shep into ME2, and it makes no difference at all!

the greatest thing they've done with this game is the whole renegade/paragon thing, and how though it always seems epic it hardly ever affects the gameplay or the story. only real change i've seen being how people react to you sometimes, but i found in ME2 being full either way you don't lose out on anything but maybe a bit of dialogue. they've been able to weave in an emotional connection while keeping the story linear, it's really a big deal i think and why i believe ME is revolutionary.

by my count so far all of the ME1 points(all 3 of them lol) will carry over, 2 other points from ME1 to be carried over, possibly 3 but the third seems like a stretch, too big of a plot. as for ME2 i'm counting around maybe 4, but again here's the crazy part; most of the canon carries from your import of ME1-ME2 can not only weave into the plot easily but can also be combined with some of your seemingly stand alone decisions in ME2, with very little story movement.

so, an epic payoff for a few serious decisions but again very little plot movement, that's brilliant. we get a continuation payoff, which you very rarely get in game series, done in such a way that's not only able to be brought to us at all but brought to us in a really slick gaming experiance.

Modifié par d1sciple, 03 octobre 2011 - 03:24 .