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[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

...you have shown multiple times that you have no idea what addicts are like or how a person becomes addicted.

You ignore evidence in order to fulfill your preconceived idea about Morinth; if something threatens that idea, then the evidence is either flawed or simply thrown out.

Tell me, how many people have ever survived melding with an AY? If you truly, truly believe she thought Shepard would survive, that number should be far, far above zero. How does harming Nef have any influence on how AY are treated? After all, if Morinth has a right to go on and show those damn Asari who want to live without the threat of dying from sex, surely Morinth should be targeting high ranking Asari, right? Why is Morinth's life so important that she's justified in killing whoever she pleases? Why is her life more important than the lives of those villagers she used as fodder? Why does Morinth get to break the first standard of your moral code and get away with it? After all, if we just treat people right, everyone will be fine. So why does Morinth get to go around ruining the lives of other people who have done nothing to her? Morinth was shown love for forty years until she ran (becoming a fugitive and then killing people), so that argument is down the toilet. Why do you believe she has the will to abstain from melding when she offers to meld with Shepard? Why would she change her habits after 400 years?

By all means, prefer Morinth over Samara; just don't paint her a different color than what she is.

How many people not fall prey to Morinth's hipnotise? 1 - Shepard. Harming Nef has given Morinth power, maybe if she didn't kill Nef she wouldn't be as strong as Samara just for that little bit, and I coulsdn't even save her because Samara would overpower her. Morinth targeted a lot of asari, other information is NOT ENOUGH. Morinth is justified because she was given a otherwise death situation. Morinth get's away with braking code because she is a domino card and not the one who pushed it, I will fix it, but I need to deal with the pusher, not stop the domino card, he will push again. All the love she was shown went down the drain because as soon as she was something different it wasn't ok for her to live with all right anymore. She doesn't want to kill Shepard because he is her first real savior and friend. She would change her habits because of what happened, and Shepard.

Anything else?

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You don't fix an accoholic by leaving him out where he can go to any bar he wants any time he wants. You don't *fix* a crackhead by making sure he drives by the person he used to get his stuff from every day. Morinth is worse; for her it's literally EVERY person.

People usually don't become alcoholics if they had a happy childhood and such..

Bull.

Exactly.......Go to a frat house party for once..... All happy spoiled kids.

[Xilizhra]

This is rather amazing; we've hit a hundred pages in eight days.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

HOLY FRAK THIS REACHED PAGE FRAKING 100

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It not just the addiction. It also the lack of intimacy. They have to be away from people because being close to them make it difficult to live with themselves. They can never be close with any one because it can lead to attraction. I would be like celibate man who stayed in a single sex monistary for years going to the playboy mansion.

I understand. I don't have a habbit of asking people to do things that I myself wouldn't do or couldn't imagine.

But you can't imagination it. That's the problem. Saying one thing when
your clear headed and logical is one thing.Being able to say the same
thing under the full brunt of the temptation is another. Intelligent
being are still control by instincts and the thing is instincts always
win when the pressure of it gets too intense. We can for go hunger until
it become mind numbing, then the next thing we know who are eating our
children because we were starving for weeks.
That to consideration when you say what an AY can do or should do.

[D.Kain]

Xilizhra wrote...

This is rather amazing; we've hit a hundred pages in eight days.

Would be nice if Bioware shared their opinion a little, just a little. 

[dreman9999]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

HOLY FRAK THIS REACHED PAGE FRAKING 100

100 pages had sex with Mornith.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:44 .

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It not just the addiction. It also the lack of intimacy. They have to be away from people because being close to them make it difficult to live with themselves. They can never be close with any one because it can lead to attraction. I would be like celibate man who stayed in a single sex monistary for years going to the playboy mansion.

I understand. I don't have a habbit of asking people to do things that I myself wouldn't do or couldn't imagine.

But you can't imagination it. That's the problem. Saying one thing when
your clear headed and logical is one thing.Being able to say the same
thing under the full brunt of the temptation is another. Intelligent
being are still control by instincts and the thing is instincts always
win when the pressure of it gets too intense. We can for go hunger until
it become mind numbing, then the next thing we know who are eating our
children because we were starving for weeks.
That to consideration when you say what an AY can do or should do.

I don't get how living away from people makes it easier to not think of intimacy. For me it would be easier of I atleast got the friendship part, atleast something, to not go insane.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Why are you writing in parentheses

Because it's off topic.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It not just the addiction. It also the lack of intimacy. They have to be away from people because being close to them make it difficult to live with themselves. They can never be close with any one because it can lead to attraction. I would be like celibate man who stayed in a single sex monistary for years going to the playboy mansion.

I understand. I don't have a habbit of asking people to do things that I myself wouldn't do or couldn't imagine.

But you can't imagination it. That's the problem. Saying one thing when
your clear headed and logical is one thing.Being able to say the same
thing under the full brunt of the temptation is another. Intelligent
being are still control by instincts and the thing is instincts always
win when the pressure of it gets too intense. We can for go hunger until
it become mind numbing, then the next thing we know who are eating our
children because we were starving for weeks.
That to consideration when you say what an AY can do or should do.

I don't get how living away from people makes it easier to not think of intimacy. For me it would be easier of I atleast got the friendship part, atleast something, to not go insane.

It's  the same consent of Monks and priest  living away from the other sex to stay celibate. We are human, we can always stay with a group who is the same sex or the sex we are not attracted to and have celibacy and intimacy. Asari is monogendered...Meaning AY are monogendered as well....An AY can be attracted to any sex or race.  This would make being near anyone hard because they can become attracted to them.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:53 .

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

...you have shown multiple times that you have no idea what addicts are like or how a person becomes addicted.

You ignore evidence in order to fulfill your preconceived idea about Morinth; if something threatens that idea, then the evidence is either flawed or simply thrown out.

Tell me, how many people have ever survived melding with an AY? If you truly, truly believe she thought Shepard would survive, that number should be far, far above zero. How does harming Nef have any influence on how AY are treated? After all, if Morinth has a right to go on and show those damn Asari who want to live without the threat of dying from sex, surely Morinth should be targeting high ranking Asari, right? Why is Morinth's life so important that she's justified in killing whoever she pleases? Why is her life more important than the lives of those villagers she used as fodder? Why does Morinth get to break the first standard of your moral code and get away with it? After all, if we just treat people right, everyone will be fine. So why does Morinth get to go around ruining the lives of other people who have done nothing to her? Morinth was shown love for forty years until she ran (becoming a fugitive and then killing people), so that argument is down the toilet. Why do you believe she has the will to abstain from melding when she offers to meld with Shepard? Why would she change her habits after 400 years?

By all means, prefer Morinth over Samara; just don't paint her a different color than what she is.

How many people not fall prey to Morinth's hipnotise? 1 - Shepard. Harming Nef has given Morinth power, maybe if she didn't kill Nef she wouldn't be as strong as Samara just for that little bit, and I coulsdn't even save her because Samara would overpower her. Morinth targeted a lot of asari, other information is NOT ENOUGH. Morinth is justified because she was given a otherwise death situation. Morinth get's away with braking code because she is a domino card and not the one who pushed it, I will fix it, but I need to deal with the pusher, not stop the domino card, he will push again. All the love she was shown went down the drain because as soon as she was something different it wasn't ok for her to live with all right anymore. She doesn't want to kill Shepard because he is her first real savior and friend. She would change her habits because of what happened, and Shepard.

Anything else?

So the answer to that question is 0.  Not fallen prey to the hypnosis != surviving mind meld. 

...yes, harming Nef gives her power.  Now answer the question, how does that change how AY are treated?   Oh, wait, that's right, it doesn't.  Really?  That last kill gave her just enough power?  Uh huh.  I'm not sure the leap increase is as much as you suspect.  Now answer the question.

Yes, Morinth has targeted quite a few Asari.  Like a bunch of villagers who have nothing to do with how AY are treated.  So why isn't she after high ranking ones who can actually do something about the problem?

Oooh, she's justified, huh? 
You know, a dominoe pushes other dominoes down, right?  Because you're
so concerned with her, you're blinded to all the pain she's causing
everyone else.   Basically, Morinth has no
reason to be absolved of breaking your code and she's going to continue
to do so because you didn't stop her.  Good for you.

No, your
argument was that only someone who wasn't exposed to love and caring
would become such a dastardly person.  40 years doesn't go down the
drain in an instant.  She gave up any love and caring for her own desire. 

Evidence please.  And no, saying "This is what I would do in that situation!" is not evidence.  Once again, you're showing you have no idea what addiction is like.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.

(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)

(That's only if you did not understand how to talk to the crowd.....Blame Merril and they leave you allow and no one else dies.)
And you guys are writing within parentheses because?

(I meant the hunters who die when the Strider turns on the Elves... my guess is that was set it off was the Keeper being possessed.... plus the possession is probably why the Keeper refuses to move the clan on from Sundermount for years and years.)

(It was. But the fact is that as long the  clan servives any death is fine.)

Why are you writing in parentheses

Suuuuuu.....
Because it's off topic.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...
It's  the same consept of Monks and prist  living away from the other sex to stay celibate. We are human, we can always stay with a group who is the same sex or the sex we are not attracted to and have celibaty and intimacy. Asari is monogendered...Meaning AY are monogendered as well....An AY can be attracted to any sex or race.  This would make beening near anyone hard because they can become attracted to them.

Monks and priests do it for a REASON! They don't want anything to distract them from God! AY don't have any BIG things to do in seclusion. It is different.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It's  the same consept of Monks and prist  living away from the other sex to stay celibate. We are human, we can always stay with a group who is the same sex or the sex we are not attracted to and have celibaty and intimacy. Asari is monogendered...Meaning AY are monogendered as well....An AY can be attracted to any sex or race.  This would make beening near anyone hard because they can become attracted to them.

Monks and priests do it for a REASON! They don't want anything to distract them from God! AY don't have any BIG things to do in seclusion. It is different.

You not getting it.....
They stay celibate so they can focus on god.They say away from the other sex or the sex they are attracted to so being celibate is easier for them.

Being celibate and being near as sex you are attacted to is hard. Staying away from that sex makes staying celibate easier.

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:59 .

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

So the answer to that question is 0.  Not fallen prey to the hypnosis != surviving mind meld. 

...yes, harming Nef gives her power.  Now answer the question, how does that change how AY are treated?   Oh, wait, that's right, it doesn't.  Really?  That last kill gave her just enough power?  Uh huh.  I'm not sure the leap increase is as much as you suspect.  Now answer the question.

Yes, Morinth has targeted quite a few Asari.  Like a bunch of villagers who have nothing to do with how AY are treated.  So why isn't she after high ranking ones who can actually do something about the problem?

Oooh, she's justified, huh? 
You know, a dominoe pushes other dominoes down, right?  Because you're
so concerned with her, you're blinded to all the pain she's causing
everyone else.   Basically, Morinth has no
reason to be absolved of breaking your code and she's going to continue
to do so because you didn't stop her.  Good for you.

No, your
argument was that only someone who wasn't exposed to love and caring
would become such a dastardly person.  40 years doesn't go down the
drain in an instant.  She gave up any love and caring for her own desire. 

Evidence please.  And no, saying "This is what I would do in that situation!" is not evidence.  Once again, you're showing you have no idea what addiction is like.

Yes, it is a good reason to think Shepard would survive.

Every Nef made Morinth as strong as she is. It doesn't change how AY are treated YET. I don't know what comes next, we will see. For now she was just a lonely mage un the run, not Anders fightning for all mages.

I'm not blinded, she can stop doing that, and I can fix the issue at the heart and SHE can help me with that. It can be a big galactic thing, revealing AY to every spiecies and all, I don't even know where is the seclusion.

I had an addiction in my life, I said that before.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...
You not getting it.....
They stay celibate so they can focus on god.They say away from the other sex or the sex they are attracted to so being celibate is easier for them.

Being celibate and being near as sex you are attacted to is hard. Staying away from that sex makes staying celibate easier.

Staying away from intimacy if it makes you happy is good, if you have something that makes you happy. If you want a happy life and you don't have a goal in seclusion, your life will be a lot harder and worse, without the OTHER things the world and friendship can provide.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Where do you get the idea that Morinth WANTS to change, D.Kain.?

From how she is curious about Shepard and how she wilingly came and how she cares about him, she wants to have friendship.

[1136342t54_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Where do you get the idea that Morinth WANTS to change, D.Kain.?

D.Kain thinks you can become friends with Dragon Age Demons. 

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Where do you get the idea that Morinth WANTS to change, D.Kain.?

From how she is curious about Shepard and how she wilingly came and how she cares about him, she wants to have friendship.

So you're saying the fact that Morinth MAY want a healhy relationship with one person suddenly reverses CENTURIES of the opposite actions? Shaky.

It is a slow proccess ofcourse, but hey this relationship can overshadow things, maybe she will get MORE friends in time, and maybe I can find a place where even her melding would be appreciated. 

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Where do you get the idea that Morinth WANTS to change, D.Kain.?

From how she is curious about Shepard and how she wilingly came and how she cares about him, she wants to have friendship.

So you're saying the fact that Morinth MAY want a healhy relationship with one person suddenly reverses CENTURIES of the opposite actions? Shaky.

It is a slow proccess ofcourse, but hey this relationship can overshadow things, maybe she will get MORE friends in time, and maybe I can find a place where even her melding would be appreciated. 

Her melding causes others to die. Her pleasure is not worth the cost of a life.

If she was a spectre she could use that for the good of the galaxy, that is just an example.