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[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Why does that make them angels? Because you say so? We need more proof than that; more proof that they received a flawed moral compass and overcame it.

Remember, we're talking about Morinth's flawed moral compass, not how they are treated. I don't want to go back and quote all that, but you said she had a "bad moral compass and we need to fix it." Well, by this it appears that that moral compass is not a part of being an AY, so she developed it on her own. Meaning, she chose to do her actions. Meaning, she may not want to change.

Maybe not all of them maybe some of them are ok with it, that's why I want to give them choice. But those that do suffer do it either for society that rejected them ( angels ) or because they fear death ( pressure ).

Ofcourse Morinth won't want to change until she meets someone who would care for her. She found Shepard, let the change start.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

They're given everything they can be given in the circumstances.

The ones who die are the ones who run and can't resist the rapemurdering. They leave a trail.

Not nececerily. They can also embrace melding BECAUSE they are already treated like murders and they have nothing to lose and not hide, or to fight back, or to be an ass in general just because they don't like being treated bad and want to return the favour. Morinth was not one of those to run away and hide,.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...
The only minor differenct is that the dog can't control themselve completly and loose all logical though, and Mornith still has control of her actions but it a complete addict.
Other then that it the same case.

Morinth can control her actions, she seems like a stong person that just doesn't want to. And she also doesn't bite me so I myself don't have a problem with her.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's completely has to be ones strength. Why? Because one preference can change ...Especial in extreme events. A person could completely detest apples but if you leave them with out food and come back weeks later and put an apple in front of them...they will gabble it up due to being near starvation.
As I said, it's one thing to say and do something when your clear minded and logical...It's another to do it under a great burden.

Yes. But it doesn't change the fact that everybody should be free and deal with the problem how THEY see fit, having support and care and trust from the rest of the society helps.

Again,that will most likely end in a case were people die because of it. Letting an event happen and hopeing for he best is niave. The asari has been dealing with it for years, why before humanity history even stated. They seen every way it can end.....They know history can repeat itself, so they offer the best out come for everyone.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The only minor differenct is that the dog can't control themselve completly and loose all logical though, and Mornith still has control of her actions but it a complete addict.
Other then that it the same case.

Morinth can control her actions, she seems like a stong person that just doesn't want to. And she also doesn't bite me so I myself don't have a problem with her.

She doesn'tbite you because she can't. If you have her on your team...your too strong willed to be  controled...And she tries to have sex with you any ways.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again,that will most likely end in a case were people die because of it. Letting an event happen and hopeing for he best is niave. The asari has been dealing with it for years, why before humanity history even stated. They seen every way it can end.....They know history can repeat itself, so they offer the best out come for everyone.

You believe to much in asari. What I see is a silly council, a race that doesn't want to go forward, arrogance, early ''sinfull'' life as a stripper or mercenery. And again, if I am not to deal with this issue then I won't. Don't expect me to do anything about Morinth then, we get along just fine.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The only minor differenct is that the dog can't control themselve completly and loose all logical though, and Mornith still has control of her actions but it a complete addict.
Other then that it the same case.

Morinth can control her actions, she seems like a stong person that just doesn't want to. And she also doesn't bite me so I myself don't have a problem with her.

She doesn'tbite you because she can't. If you have her on your team...your too strong willed to be  controled...And she tries to have sex with you any ways.

I explained the sex too many times, just too many... I can't repeat myself again on this subject, atleast not today.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

So where did Morinth's moral compass come from? (it's getting harder and harder to retain the purpose of this little part) If the other Ardat Yakshi were able to confine themselves, that means that Morinth CHOSE to have a poor moral compass. That's the point I'm trying to bring about here.

Let's examine Morinth and another random AY. The AY is afraid to die and stays in seclusion. Morinth is not afraid of death and would rather be free, runs away. See? Very simple, she was just more brave.

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:39 .

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The only minor differenct is that the dog can't control themselve completly and loose all logical though, and Mornith still has control of her actions but it a complete addict.
Other then that it the same case.

Morinth can control her actions, she seems like a stong person that just doesn't want to. And she also doesn't bite me so I myself don't have a problem with her.

She doesn'tbite you because she can't. If you have her on your team...your too strong willed to be  controled...And she tries to have sex with you any ways.

I explained the sex too many times, just too many... I can't repeat myself again on this subject, atleast not today.

No matter how many time you say it. It doen not make it true....Mornoth is a sex addict.....All she want's is the sex. She does not careif Shepard live or dies as long as she gets the sex. She is just lying to you to get the sex.... She will say anything to get it.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again,that will most likely end in a case were people die because of it. Letting an event happen and hopeing for he best is niave. The asari has been dealing with it for years, why before humanity history even stated. They seen every way it can end.....They know history can repeat itself, so they offer the best out come for everyone.

You believe to much in asari. What I see is a silly council, a race that doesn't want to go forward, arrogance, early ''sinfull'' life as a stripper or mercenery. And again, if I am not to deal with this issue then I won't. Don't expect me to do anything about Morinth then, we get along just fine.

Again, they been dealing with the problem far longer than anyone. I think the best people who are able to deal with it are the people who live with it, not a outside the barely knows anything about it....... They are a very intelligent race that that look to the problem to hell and back. They know how o deal with it.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

No matter how many time you say it. It doen not make it true....Mornoth is a sex addict.....All she want's is the sex. She does not careif Shepard live or dies as long as she gets the sex. She is just lying to you to get the sex.... She will say anything to get it.

You say this, game tells me something else. Who should I believe?

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

So where did Morinth's moral compass come from? (it's getting harder and harder to retain the purpose of this little part) If the other Ardat Yakshi were able to confine themselves, that means that Morinth CHOSE to have a poor moral compass. That's the point I'm trying to bring about here.

Let's examine Morinth and another random AY. The AY is afraid to die and stays in seclusion. Morinth is not afraid of death and would rather be free, runs away. See? Very simple, she was just more brave.

If she did not want to be found,s he should of not killed anyone..... Because as soon as she kills anyone...they find her.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, they been dealing with the problem far longer than anyone. I think the best people who are able to deal with it are the people who live with it, not a outside the barely knows anything about it....... They are a very intelligent race that that look to the problem to hell and back. They know how o deal with it.

Anderson makes a better politician than Udina. Spectre makes better judge than the council. Not everybody is a Jenkins.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The whole "afraid to die" thing is YOUR interpretation. You can't say that that is automatically true, thus making Morinth more brave.

And remember, we're talking about her moral compass, not whether she was brave or not. I don't care how "brave" someone is, if they deliberately do wrong things for centuries, willfully choosing to do those wrong things, they deserve the consequences.

Live in seclusion or DIE. Why can't I say that again? I also said there are angels, but that is a different case. There is probably also some kind of rare AY people who just LOVE their existance alone maybe like 5%. 

If they do wrong things because they were put into a wrong situation, then you fix the situation and not put them down.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

So where did Morinth's moral compass come from? (it's getting harder and harder to retain the purpose of this little part) If the other Ardat Yakshi were able to confine themselves, that means that Morinth CHOSE to have a poor moral compass. That's the point I'm trying to bring about here.

Let's examine Morinth and another random AY. The AY is afraid to die and stays in seclusion. Morinth is not afraid of death and would rather be free, runs away. See? Very simple, she was just more brave.

If she did not want to be found,s he should of not killed anyone..... Because as soon as she kills anyone...they find her.

Did she escape for 400 years? Yes. Her plan worked = everything she did worked jsut fine, her logic works. Otherwise she would be found and killed. 

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No matter how many time you say it. It doen not make it true....Mornoth is a sex addict.....All she want's is the sex. She does not careif Shepard live or dies as long as she gets the sex. She is just lying to you to get the sex.... She will say anything to get it.

You say this, game tells me something else. Who should I believe?

I'm sorry..The game tells you exactly that. Samara tells you that they dealt with AY from way before they stated star travel. This mean they have been dealing with them for years. Way before human history...The asari have been space traveling from aroung 600 bce....(That 600 bc for us.) that would mean they been dealing with the AY case for avery long time. They know all the case of it.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

So where did Morinth's moral compass come from? (it's getting harder and harder to retain the purpose of this little part) If the other Ardat Yakshi were able to confine themselves, that means that Morinth CHOSE to have a poor moral compass. That's the point I'm trying to bring about here.

Let's examine Morinth and another random AY. The AY is afraid to die and stays in seclusion. Morinth is not afraid of death and would rather be free, runs away. See? Very simple, she was just more brave.

If she did not want to be found,s he should of not killed anyone..... Because as soon as she kills anyone...they find her.

Did she escape for 400 years? Yes. Her plan worked = everything she did worked jsut fine, her logic works. Otherwise she would be found and killed. 

And yet Samara always is able to find her...... I wonder why?...Maybe because she kills someone and is later found out.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No matter how many time you say it. It doen not make it true....Mornoth is a sex addict.....All she want's is the sex. She does not careif Shepard live or dies as long as she gets the sex. She is just lying to you to get the sex.... She will say anything to get it.

You say this, game tells me something else. Who should I believe?

I'm sorry..The game tells you exactly that. Samara tells you that they dealt with AY from way before they stated star travel. This mean they have been dealing with them for years. Way before human history...The asari have been space traveling from aroung 600 bce....(That 600 bc for us.) that would mean they been dealing with the AY case for avery long time. They know all the case of it.

There is always an individual, they are different. I judge from having interactions with Morinth. And WTH are the AY anyway? You think they are just a random desiese that was going on for years and was always a problem? I can desagree on that. They had to live in the society when the society was still primitive, they were probably the evolutionary warriors that defended the tribe like warrior ants that are infertile or something. Nature doesn't just make up **** like that. THIS ofcourse my fanfiction the theory of which came from the Morinth fan thread. But the point is everybody should be free. There is never an excuse to lock anybody their DNA.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

And yet Samara always is able to find her...... I wonder why?...Maybe because she kills someone and is later found out.

What does it matter? It works! If it weren't for Shepard Samara wouldn't even catch her on Omega, she would get away again, and then just meat Samara in a couple of years and say: Yeah I gathered enough power. Then smack samara with biotics.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Again, they been dealing with the problem far longer than anyone. I think the best people who are able to deal with it are the people who live with it, not a outside the barely knows anything about it....... They are a very intelligent race that that look to the problem to hell and back. They know how o deal with it.

Anderson makes a better politician than Udina. Spectre makes better judge than the council. Not everybody is a Jenkins.

That not even true. Spectre are better at millitary decision but are horrible at social decision. The council is better at social decision but are horrible at Military decisions. Anderson can't really do anything as a councilman. I always remember that he said in ME1 if humanity was on the council, they could get the council to help defend their colonies if it was under attack but in ME2 the collector attack the human colonies and the council tells Anderson that a race in the council must be able to defend themselves.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

The whole "afraid to die" thing is YOUR interpretation. You can't say that that is automatically true, thus making Morinth more brave.

And remember, we're talking about her moral compass, not whether she was brave or not. I don't care how "brave" someone is, if they deliberately do wrong things for centuries, willfully choosing to do those wrong things, they deserve the consequences.

Live in seclusion or DIE. Why can't I say that again? I also said there are angels, but that is a different case. There is probably also some kind of rare AY people who just LOVE their existance alone maybe like 5%. 

If they do wrong things because they were put into a wrong situation, then you fix the situation and not put them down.

You can say "live in seclusion," but automatically assuming it's because they're afraid to die is a large assumption. I don't doubt that there were some AY that lived in seclusion because they didn't want to hurt anyone.

And, the other AY were put in the same wrong situation, and they did not do the wrong thing. That means the wrong thing did NOT happen because of the wrong situation. It happened because someone chose to do the wrong thing.

If a slave doesn't rise up like spartacus it doesn't mean that slavery is ok. Ok?