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[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

So you think that people have the same need as animals? Eat-sleep?

Actually, yes, that is technically accurate. On top of the basic needs, she was also offered comfortable living conditions and anything else she would desire that would not place others at risk to her condition.

[SandTrout]

FoxHound109 wrote...

No offense inteded by this, but if that is honestly how you feel then I don't think I can keep going in this debate. Fundamental differences and all that.

The fundamental difference is that D.Kain's moral basis is as short-sighted as an addicts craving.

[FoxHound109]

SandTrout wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

No offense inteded by this, but if that is honestly how you feel then I don't think I can keep going in this debate. Fundamental differences and all that.

The fundamental difference is that D.Kain's moral basis is as short-sighted as an addicts craving.

True, but I'm not exactly in the mood to sift through his entire logical stance and write him an essay at the moment. Ha, ha!

So change "fundamental differences" to "laziness on my part" and I think it better explains my point of view. ;]

[SandTrout]

@FoxHound,

Lol, fair enough, dude.

[D.Kain]

FoxHound109 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Whoop. Here is the difference in our thinking. I think that Morinth's free life is more important for her not her melding life. VERY big difference here. The fact that Samara said that Morinth proved her addiction jsut by RUNNING away was what got me on her diffence.

No offense inteded by this, but if that is honestly how you feel then I don't think I can keep going in this debate. Fundamental differences and all that.

Sure, fair enough. That's how I see the situation. 

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

She could have disappeared into the vastness of the galaxy, hundreds of years and thousands of worlds and trillions of Asari, changed her face and her look and her name, and made herself into anyone she wanted.  All she had to do was not slaughter her way through that vastness... but she couldn't, or wouldn't. 

This is the part that can have more weight than anything else that was said to me in this thread. Truth is we don't know if she really could.

[D.Kain]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

First off, that doesn't make her life more important than any of her victims. Secondly, Yes, she did have that choice, and rejected it.

Asari made Morinth's life more important than the life of her victims by putting her in the situation they did. They are responsible, tell them that her life is not more important.

Let's blame any person about doing wrong things when they don't want to die.

(The Bold part) But the Asari's weren't going to kill her. They were just gonna contain her. Besides she ran off and murdered innocent people (Who ha people that loved them. I mean did you even see Nef's mother?). I love to see your reaction if it was one of the closest people of your life that was killed by Morinth. I am sure you would let her walk freely as if it was nothing.

It would be bad. But my viewing of the situation wouldn't suddenly change if it was just someone close to me.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

OK, what "needs" were those?  

Any? Visiting clubs and fun places, visiting different cities, interacting with people, living a full life. I can see how people would want to live with her, once they know she is an AY, after she tells someone that she isn't supposed to meld.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

This is the part that can have more weight than anything else that was said to me in this thread. Truth is we don't know if she really could.

She did, and we only found her because she killed again.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

OK, what "needs" were those?  

Any? Visiting clubs and fun places, visiting different cities, interacting with people, living a full life. I can see how people would want to live with her, once they know she is an AY, after she tells someone that she isn't supposed to meld.

LOL!

Those are most definitely not 'needs'. They aren't even necessary to maintain emotional well-being in humans. A little basic interpersonal interaction with other AY is all that would be needed to cover any 'emotional' needs that she might have. At least then if they melded, they would both be aware of the likely result.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

This is the part that can have more weight than anything else that was said to me in this thread. Truth is we don't know if she really could.

She did, and we only found her because she killed again.

And again, we don't know who she melds, how and why. 

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

OK, what "needs" were those?  

Any? Visiting clubs and fun places, visiting different cities, interacting with people, living a full life. I can see how people would want to live with her, once they know she is an AY, after she tells someone that she isn't supposed to meld.

LOL!

Those are most definitely not 'needs'. They aren't even necessary to maintain emotional well-being in humans. A little basic interpersonal interaction with other AY is all that would be needed to cover any 'emotional' needs that she might have. At least then if they melded, they would both be aware of the likely result.

I still wonder what happens when 2 AY mate.. Can be a solution to all problems. They both fall in love and get high, then they both die happy, OR they both survive, and can meld with each other and leave other people out of it. Anyway sounds like a solution.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

She could have disappeared into the vastness of the galaxy, hundreds of years and thousands of worlds and trillions of Asari, changed her face and her look and her name, and made herself into anyone she wanted.  All she had to do was not slaughter her way through that vastness... but she couldn't, or wouldn't. 

This is the part that can have more weight than anything else that was said to me in this thread. Truth is we don't know if she really could.

If she could refrain, then she made the choice to murder anyway, and all the killing is her responsbility. 

If she couldn't, then the Asari were right to confine her. 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

OK, what "needs" were those?  

Any? Visiting clubs and fun places, visiting different cities, interacting with people, living a full life. I can see how people would want to live with her, once they know she is an AY, after she tells someone that she isn't supposed to meld.

LOL!

Those are most definitely not 'needs'. They aren't even necessary to maintain emotional well-being in humans. A little basic interpersonal interaction with other AY is all that would be needed to cover any 'emotional' needs that she might have. At least then if they melded, they would both be aware of the likely result.

I still wonder what happens when 2 AY mate.. Can be a solution to all problems. They both fall in love and get high, then they both die happy, OR they both survive, and can meld with each other and leave other people out of it. Anyway sounds like a solution.

That's a very interesting theory that I wouldn't mind BioWare exploring.

Yes, and the question here is also, are the AY allowed to mate in seclusion? What if if they mate the give birth to a destiny of the asari? And asari don't want that for some reason? How close can the AY get to each other? Why for example are her sister ALONE in their seclusion and not sent to a bigger one all together? So many questions.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If she could refrain, then she made the choice to murder anyway, and all the killing is her responsbility. 

If she couldn't, then the Asari were right to confine her. 

Ok, let's say that it is Morinth's responsability. Why is it my Shepard's responsability to kill her? Aren't there better ways of solving this, with her alive?

[MisterJB]

D.Kain wrote...
Ok, let's say that it is Morinth's responsability. Why is it my Shepard's responsability to kill her? Aren't there better ways of solving this, with her alive?

It's not. It's Samara's responsability as a Justicar.
And Shepard has the responsability to make sure everyone on his crew is ready for the assault on the Omega 4-Relay.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

First I try to fix the problem as I see it, THEN I come to conclusions if it works or not. I am the one solving it, not anybody else. Again if it's not my direct problem, and nobody cares, I won't even bother.

I already shared my opinion on this. You disagree? Fine, you can make a different choice. I won't blame a fugitive if he was judged wrongly.

There was enough evidance for me. 

YOU are the one focused on the dam, thanks for the analogy, but it applies to you, not me. lol

...You're advocating allowing a predator loose on the galaxy just because someone doesn't agree with you.

You don't seem to grap the idea that a person is to blame for their actions.

...There's more evidence that the Dragon Age verse and Mass Effect verse are connected then there is that Shepard would survive Morinth.

No, you're focused on the dam, I'm focused on the water that's ruining everyone's day.

[D.Kain]

Ok I just got from my anthropology class. Even my professor thinks that you don't lock people up before they have done something bad. My professor is a wise elderly man. I told him that these people have the genetic desiese and that they want to mate. He said that he would surely lock them up if they can't hold themselves together. I asked how would he know, he said if they kill someone. He said that Morinth just has the gun with her all the time, and that she should be punished only when she uses it. Morinth was punished before using the gun, I help Morinth, everything is fair.

I really told him everything he needs to know without biases.

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[D.Kain]

MisterJB wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Ok, let's say that it is Morinth's responsability. Why is it my Shepard's responsability to kill her? Aren't there better ways of solving this, with her alive?

It's not. It's Samara's responsability as a Justicar.
And Shepard has the responsability to make sure everyone on his crew is ready for the assault on the Omega 4-Relay.

But if Morinth seems to me more ready and useful?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ok I just got from my anthropology class. Even my professor thinks that you don't lock people up before they have done something bad. My professor is a wise elderly man. I told him that these people have the genetic desiese and that they want to mate. He said that he would surely lock them up if they can't hold themselves together. I asked how would he know, he said if they kill someone. He said that Morinth just has the gun with her all the time, and that she should be punished only when she uses it. Morinth was punished before using the gun, I help Morinth, everything is fair.

I really told him everything he needs to know without biases.

No she wasn't. It's irrelevant though. She proved the Asari right about the dangers of having Ardat-Yakshi loose in the galaxy in the end.

I bet it would be easier to catch her if she wasn't chased undercover to hide little political secrets. She would be caught right of the bat if everybody knew she was AY and if police worked on it and not a lonely justicar.


Seclusion = punishment.

Danger does not justify seclusion.

Modifié par D.Kain, 04 octobre 2011 - 11:33 .

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

...You're advocating allowing a predator loose on the galaxy just because someone doesn't agree with you.

You don't seem to grap the idea that a person is to blame for their actions.

...There's more evidence that the Dragon Age verse and Mass Effect verse are connected then there is that Shepard would survive Morinth.

No, you're focused on the dam, I'm focused on the water that's ruining everyone's day.

Sure I do, because it's not my problem.
P: Help! 
Me: Sure, you have to patch this right here.
P: I don't care. 
Me: Your problem. 

Do you BLAME somebody for the right choice? Morinth did a right choice.

Drop that already, this one we don't agree.

You know if you fix the damn watter flow, it will dry eventually.

[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote...

Ok I just got from my anthropology class. Even my professor thinks that you don't lock people up before they have done something bad. My professor is a wise elderly man. I told him that these people have the genetic desiese and that they want to mate. He said that he would surely lock them up if they can't hold themselves together. I asked how would he know, he said if they kill someone. He said that Morinth just has the gun with her all the time, and that she should be punished only when she uses it. Morinth was punished before using the gun, I help Morinth, everything is fair.

I really told him everything he needs to know without biases.

Interesting view from an Anthropology professor. Most anthropologists are quite open to any faucets of society and the inner workings. Since their profession is to not judge, but understand the politics, social sciences, infrastructural workings and etc. I find it odd that he judged it so quickly without hearing the entire history of the Asari and AY. And I would think he would find it quite normal, since seclusion has been used throughout history without violence erupting from the effects. This wouldn’t be the same institution where you learn psychology from, would it?