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[TheDarkBrotherhood]

I think you guys are taking this too seriously, it's not like he actually supports a real serial killer.

[D.Kain]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

I think you guys are taking this too seriously, it's not like he actually supports a real serial killer.

I do not support killings, but a lot of things we are facing do work in real life too.

There is just difference between support and who to blame/ how to solve.

Modifié par D.Kain, 05 octobre 2011 - 03:42 .

[1136342t54_]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

I think you guys are taking this too seriously, it's not like he actually supports a real serial killer.

I would believe you if this isn't the same person who wouldn't care if someone like Morinth kicked a baby. In fact if Morinth stomped  a baby into the ground the only people to blame is the Justicars.

By that logic if a serial killer had abusive parents then you shouldn't blame the killer for the killings you blame the parents. Sure the parents are at fault in some ways but if you know right from wrong you shouldn't go on a killing spree.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

I think you guys are taking this too seriously, it's not like he actually supports a real serial killer.

I would believe you if this isn't the same person who wouldn't care if someone like Morinth kicked a baby. In fact if Morinth stomped  a baby into the ground the only people to blame is the Justicars.

By that logic if a serial killer had abusive parents then you shouldn't blame the killer for the killings you blame the parents. Sure the parents are at fault in some ways but if you know right from wrong you shouldn't go on a killing spree.

It is also the fault of the society. Becaus it means that that serial killer had no support at all, and no one to turn too.

[1136342t54_]

So theoretically speaking and to make this clear it isn't a threat but what if I found you and shot you in the heart. By some miracle you lived and my reasoning is that because your arguments have disturbed me so much that I needed to take out my anger on something. Since my family didn't help out with my anger I was justified in shooting you.

Would you accept that explanation?

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

So theoretically speaking and to make this clear it isn't a threat but what if I found you and shot you in the heart. By some miracle you lived and my reasoning is that because your arguments have disturbed me so much that I needed to take out my anger on something. Since my family didn't help out with my anger I was justified in shooting you.

Would you accept that explanation?

Omg what is this? 

Dude, people are not soft like spagetti. Don't you understand the difference between real disconect/anguish and some random bad day or situation? Don't you understand having a bad life vs having an unfair life? It's different! Don't reason like a kid yourself. 

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

So theoretically speaking and to make this clear it isn't a threat but what if I found you and shot you in the heart. By some miracle you lived and my reasoning is that because your arguments have disturbed me so much that I needed to take out my anger on something. Since my family didn't help out with my anger I was justified in shooting you.

Would you accept that explanation?

Omg what is this? 

Dude, people are not soft like spagetti. Don't you understand the difference between real disconect/anguish and some random bad day or situation? Don't you understand having a bad life vs having an unfair life? It's different! Don't reason like a kid yourself. 

There are very bipolar people who can go off in a second. I doubt you truly understand your own reasoning. Hell I could easily have had a bad childhood in your eyes. I grew up in a low class family. Depending on your view point your idiocy could be the tipping point and I just had to kiill you.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

I would believe you if this isn't the same person who wouldn't care if someone like Morinth kicked a baby. In fact if Morinth stomped a baby into the ground the only people to blame is the Justicars.

Sure, his argument is flawed, but it's just a game. You kill people in the game, that doesn't mean you're going to kill people in real life.

Modifié par TheDarkBrotherhood, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Radahldo]

its weird how people keep mentioning their backgrounds in this thread. I havent seen such an intense argument on these forums in a while, and thats not even mentioning all the haranguing tangents

Modifié par Radahldo, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:04 .

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

So theoretically speaking and to make this clear it isn't a threat but what if I found you and shot you in the heart. By some miracle you lived and my reasoning is that because your arguments have disturbed me so much that I needed to take out my anger on something. Since my family didn't help out with my anger I was justified in shooting you.

Would you accept that explanation?

Omg what is this? 

Dude, people are not soft like spagetti. Don't you understand the difference between real disconect/anguish and some random bad day or situation? Don't you understand having a bad life vs having an unfair life? It's different! Don't reason like a kid yourself. 

There are very bipolar people who can go off in a second. I doubt you truly understand your own reasoning. Hell I could easily have had a bad childhood in your eyes. I grew up in a low class family. Depending on your view point your idiocy could be the tipping point and I just had to kiill you.

Look. If you actually think deeper, somebody is responsible for the existance of low quality life, and it indeed needs to be fixed. Can it be fixed with violance? Probably, if it was organised and the source of the problem was clear. It can also be fixed without violance if people try to sort it out peacefully. But hey atleast you have your freedom and you can make many choices in life, unlike Morinth for example. You have to ask yourself if your human rights are not met.

Edit: Main point here is - first meet basic life requirments ( freedom is one of them ) Then try to make life better.

Modifié par D.Kain, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:10 .

[1136342t54_]

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

I would believe you if this isn't the same person who wouldn't care if someone like Morinth kicked a baby. In fact if Morinth stomped a baby into the ground the only people to blame is the Justicars.

Sure, his argument is flawed, but it's just a game. You kill people in the game, that doesn't mean you're going to kill people in real life.

The thing is this person actually thinks serial killers aren't at fault for killing others. Its the retarded morality of D.Kain that makes this debat all but pointless. That is why I am kind of trolling him by using his own retarded reasoning.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Edit: Main point here is - first meet basic life requirments ( freedom is one of them ) Then try to make life better.

You think freedom is a basic life requirement? Lol!

Indeed it is.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

1136342t54 wrote...

TheDarkBrotherhood wrote...

I would believe you if this isn't the same person who wouldn't care if someone like Morinth kicked a baby. In fact if Morinth stomped a baby into the ground the only people to blame is the Justicars.

Sure, his argument is flawed, but it's just a game. You kill people in the game, that doesn't mean you're going to kill people in real life.

The thing is this person actually thinks serial killers aren't at fault for killing others. Its the retarded morality of D.Kain that makes this debat all but pointless. That is why I am kind of trolling him by using his own retarded reasoning.

Fair enough, but i don't think he's going to change his mind.

[Sethan_1]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

So being a slave is in your mind a good reason to kill a child that's played no part in forcing you into slavery.

Yes.

Is this really your non video game way of thinking?!

Yes.

Think of it what you will. But if everybody thought the same, slavery wouldn't exist EVER because all slaves would just rise up always feeling justified instead of enduring injustice. The analogy works in many other aspects of life. Life would be better if people that treat other people like sh*t would get sh*t at once. Not only that, but they would also get sh*t from OTHER people that got in between because of them.

There is a problem with the logic here.

This exact same justification is used by the current crop of terrorists worldwide, to attack innocent people over real or imagined slights.  Since the justification for their actions is subjective and the victims not the ones who actually perpetrated the harm they imagine, it will never end.  So in fact, the point of view that it is OK to kill innocents to avenge a wrong done to you solves nothing and ends nothing.

As to it being "wrong" to put AYs in seclusion, consider that they effectively are carriers of a lethal disease.  Once they have melded, killing their partner, they are addicted to doing so and will continue to do so - so they will kill people with the lethal disease.  In Morinth's case, what evidence we have bears this out - when no one knows where she is, she still kills.  If someone has a lethal, contagious disease, the logical thing to do is quarantine them so that they don't cause the deaths of innocent people.  That doesn't make the agency doing the quarantining bad - rather the opposite, since they are protecting everyone else.

[D.Kain]

Sethan_1 wrote...

There is a problem with the logic here.

This exact same justification is used by the current crop of terrorists worldwide, to attack innocent people over real or imagined slights.  Since the justification for their actions is subjective and the victims not the ones who actually perpetrated the harm they imagine, it will never end.  So in fact, the point of view that it is OK to kill innocents to avenge a wrong done to you solves nothing and ends nothing.

As to it being "wrong" to put AYs in seclusion, consider that they effectively are carriers of a lethal disease.  Once they have melded, killing their partner, they are addicted to doing so and will continue to do so - so they will kill people with the lethal disease.  In Morinth's case, what evidence we have bears this out - when no one knows where she is, she still kills.  If someone has a lethal, contagious disease, the logical thing to do is quarantine them so that they don't cause the deaths of innocent people.  That doesn't make the agency doing the quarantining bad - rather the opposite, since they are protecting everyone else.

What do you think terrorists blow themselves up for lolz? Do you think that they can fight in the open field instead, when they don't have enough people nor weapons to fight back? If you want terrorism to stop tell you goverment to stop oppresing the poor countries already! There was never a terrorist act in my country in the last 100 years, because we don't send out troops into other countries and don't stick our nose to where it doesn't belong. I am not saying terrorist acts are good, it's just that if you want to stop it, complain to YOUR goverment. 

Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Edit: Main point here is - first meet basic life requirments ( freedom is one of them ) Then try to make life better.

You think freedom is a basic life requirement? Lol!

Indeed it is.

Evidence?

Are you insane?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.

You're assuming the Asari hadn't already done this, failed, then come to their current conclusion regarding how to deal with Ardat-Yakshi.

It is a star age. They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think. They need to step over their pride and admit that they are not perfect.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...


Seeing as how untold millions of people have lived and died under little to no freedom, it is not a "basic life requirement."

They havent lived, they existed. Freedom is the basic requirement for life, not existance.

[Sethan_1]

Freedom should be a basic human right - however, once you abuse that right to harm others, you lose it.

Freedom is in no way a necessity for life.