Sethan_1 wrote...
Freedom should be a basic human right - however, once you abuse that right to harm others, you lose it.
Freedom is in no way a necessity for life.
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Of course it's political, somewhat. Bet you can't guess correctly who's fault that is.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
You're assuming the Asari hadn't already done this, failed, then come to their current conclusion regarding how to deal with Ardat-Yakshi.D.Kain wrote...
Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.
It is a star age. They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think. They need to step over their pride and admit that they are not perfect.
jreezy wrote...
Of course it's political, somewhat. Bet you can't guess correctly who's fault that is.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
You're assuming the Asari hadn't already done this, failed, then come to their current conclusion regarding how to deal with Ardat-Yakshi.D.Kain wrote...
Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.
It is a star age. They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think. They need to step over their pride and admit that they are not perfect.
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D.Kain wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Seeing as how untold millions of people have lived and died under little to no freedom, it is not a "basic life requirement."
They havent lived, they existed. Freedom is the basic requirement for life, not existance.
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Wow.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Of course it's political, somewhat. Bet you can't guess correctly who's fault that is.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
You're assuming the Asari hadn't already done this, failed, then come to their current conclusion regarding how to deal with Ardat-Yakshi.D.Kain wrote...
Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.
It is a star age. They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think. They need to step over their pride and admit that they are not perfect.
Who's fault is what? You lost me.
Who's fault is this?D.Kain wrote...
They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think.
Modifié par jreezy, 05 octobre 2011 - 05:13 .
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Seeing as how untold millions of people have lived and died under little to no freedom, it is not a "basic life requirement."
They havent lived, they existed. Freedom is the basic requirement for life, not existance.
Now you're arguing semantics. Of course there's no way of knowing, but I'm certain when you said "life requirement" you were not talking about something discretely different from "existing."
Of course, you can always say that you were, so we'll never know.
jreezy wrote...
Wow.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
Of course it's political, somewhat. Bet you can't guess correctly who's fault that is.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
You're assuming the Asari hadn't already done this, failed, then come to their current conclusion regarding how to deal with Ardat-Yakshi.D.Kain wrote...
Every AY should have a chance to prove themselves in each day life. WHEN/IF they fail THEN put them into seclusion, not before giving them a chance.
It is a star age. They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think. They need to step over their pride and admit that they are not perfect.
Who's fault is what? You lost me.Who's fault is this?D.Kain wrote...
They selfishly hide them away from the other races for political reasons, is what I think.
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Wrong sir. The correct answer is "The Ardat-Yakshi".D.Kain wrote...
Well it's the fault of those who hide it - asari. lol Thought that one was obvious. The fact that AY exist is natures fault. So since nature can't do anything about it, and asari can...
jreezy wrote...
Wrong sir. The correct answer is "The Ardat-Yakshi".D.Kain wrote...
Well it's the fault of those who hide it - asari. lol Thought that one was obvious. The fact that AY exist is natures fault. So since nature can't do anything about it, and asari can...
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Your thoughts, not mine because that is nowhere near what I said.D.Kain wrote...
AY are responsible for being AY?
No they wouldn't. Ardat Yakshi look like normal Asari.Dude they just exist. Asari should reveal them and set them free. I already told you how that would work with minimal risk, and how AY can go into seclusion themselves or be caught by police at the first ever kill and be dealt with, and that everybody would know AY just by looking at them. Just give them a freaking chance for a normal life!
jreezy wrote...
Your thoughts, not mine because that is nowhere near what I said.D.Kain wrote...
AY are responsible for being AY?No they wouldn't. Ardat Yakshi look like normal Asari.Dude they just exist. Asari should reveal them and set them free. I already told you how that would work with minimal risk, and how AY can go into seclusion themselves or be caught by police at the first ever kill and be dealt with, and that everybody would know AY just by looking at them. Just give them a freaking chance for a normal life!
D.Kain wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
Freedom should be a basic human right - however, once you abuse that right to harm others, you lose it.
Freedom is in no way a necessity for life.
Even if you put it like that, the AY loose it BEFORE harming others, and that is not fair.
Sethan_1 wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
Freedom should be a basic human right - however, once you abuse that right to harm others, you lose it.
Freedom is in no way a necessity for life.
Even if you put it like that, the AY loose it BEFORE harming others, and that is not fair.
Life is not fair.
The AY did not ask to have the condition that causes them to kill - but neither did everyone else ask to be their potential victims.
When you have someone who carries a disease that kills people they come into contact with, you cure them, or quarantine them if you can't cure them. That this is not "fair" to the one being quarantined doesn't even enter into whether it is the right thing to do.
D.Kain wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
Freedom should be a basic human right - however, once you abuse that right to harm others, you lose it.
Freedom is in no way a necessity for life.
Even if you put it like that, the AY loose it BEFORE harming others, and that is not fair.
Life is not fair.
The AY did not ask to have the condition that causes them to kill - but neither did everyone else ask to be their potential victims.
When you have someone who carries a disease that kills people they come into contact with, you cure them, or quarantine them if you can't cure them. That this is not "fair" to the one being quarantined doesn't even enter into whether it is the right thing to do.
Not if the disease only kills when the person CHOOSES to, so it can be avoided.
Sethan_1 wrote...
Yep - but then again, if they have that choice, then they also bear the complete responsibility for the deaths of the victims when they exercise it.
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
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No. That's not how it works.D.Kain wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
But it's not how it is, and you know it. It's about basic human rights. A person that had a bad childhood is of the hook to be a polite person for example, because it is understandable.
jreezy wrote...
No. That's not how it works.D.Kain wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
But it's not how it is, and you know it. It's about basic human rights. A person that had a bad childhood is of the hook to be a polite person for example, because it is understandable.
jreezy wrote...
No. That's not how it works.D.Kain wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
But it's not how it is, and you know it. It's about basic human rights. A person that had a bad childhood is of the hook to be a polite person for example, because it is understandable.
Sethan_1 wrote...
jreezy wrote...
No. That's not how it works.D.Kain wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
But it's not how it is, and you know it. It's about basic human rights. A person that had a bad childhood is of the hook to be a polite person for example, because it is understandable.
Exactly.
Bad circumstances do not and cannot excuse bad behavior.
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Still, there has to be some kind of consequence, whether good or bad, for someone's actions. "I didn't know" is not an excuse in this world.D.Kain wrote...
jreezy wrote...
No. That's not how it works.D.Kain wrote...
AnAccountWithNoName wrote...
Hey D. Kain, maybe you should go around in REAL LIFE, and ask people whether a Monster should be left off the hook, as long as said Monster had a sad/troubled childhood.
But it's not how it is, and you know it. It's about basic human rights. A person that had a bad childhood is of the hook to be a polite person for example, because it is understandable.
I mean there are society norms, but if one knows what the other person has been through it is understandable sometimes. If the parents and envierment haven't taught the person to be polite, it's hard to learn on your own.
SandTrout wrote...
D.Kain, a point you seem to miss is that simply because something is understandable, doesn't make it right.
I can understand why authoritarian governments slaughter millions of their own people. I can understand why a burglar breaks into a house. I can understand why Morinth did what she did (which aren't the same reasons as you seem to think).
This does not prevent these things from being evil and destructive, or that I sympathize with them. Actions can be 100% understandable and still morally reprehensible to the point that no sane person would consider them justified.
The people that commit these acts usually simply don't care if it is justified or not. This not caring is what makes them, and Morinth, monsters. Normal, decent people, care weather or not something they do harms another person. They may still take the action if they consider it justified or necessary, but they still care.
Morinth doesn't care (any more) about the slaughter she has caused as long as she is able to maintain feeding her condition. She makes the choice, repeatedly, that her own high is of greater importance than another person's life, and doesn't care that she kills her partners.
Except that it isn't necessary, becuase she only needs the victim for her high, not to survive.D.Kain wrote...
She probably cares, I mean as much as a farmer would care to kill a cow that he likes to eat. I mean it is sad, but nescecery.
Wrong. Her melding is purely the act of and addict. Her situation required here to use manipulation and lies, but not to kill the vast majority of her victims.She was put into a position in which her melding and manipulating people is nescecery to survive and to fight back, or even to hipnotize people to move around freely, which all again comes down to her power which she get's by melding.
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