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[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

She wanted freedom and she used to to start murdering people. She's a serial lust murderer.

You don't know that, or what she wanted, besides freedom. 

From what Samara has said it is. She wanted freedom and she got freedom which she used to deprive people of life because it fueled her addiction. Now, you'll say that because she's an addict that she needs help and I think that spending the rest of her in some institution for the criminally insane in a medicated stupor would be something you should find satisfactory. They can help her there.

I don't think that she is mentally ill. I think that she needs a friend, and the asari to change their regulations.

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I think the reason she came along w/ Shepard because she really wanted to meld w/ him but she couldn't use her Dominate ability on him so maybe she came along to be able to seduce Shepard into melding w/ her and at the end of the SM she convinces Shepard to do so and we all know what happened then. It makes you wonder what Morinth would've done after mircrowaving Shep's brain.

Fly out the airlock when EDI fails to read Shepards life signs?

Or turn the Normandy into a bloodbath.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

I don't think that she is mentally ill. I think that she needs a friend, and the asari to change their regulations.

You're blatently ignoring the facts of the matter. She had friends, and then proceeded to kill them.

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I think the reason she came along w/ Shepard because she really wanted to meld w/ him but she couldn't use her Dominate ability on him so maybe she came along to be able to seduce Shepard into melding w/ her and at the end of the SM she convinces Shepard to do so and we all know what happened then. It makes you wonder what Morinth would've done after mircrowaving Shep's brain.

Fly out the airlock when EDI fails to read Shepards life signs?

Or turn the Normandy into a bloodbath.

Not with EDI on the watch. 

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

She wanted freedom and she used to to start murdering people. She's a serial lust murderer.

You don't know that, or what she wanted, besides freedom. 

From what Samara has said it is. She wanted freedom and she got freedom which she used to deprive people of life because it fueled her addiction. Now, you'll say that because she's an addict that she needs help and I think that spending the rest of her in some institution for the criminally insane in a medicated stupor would be something you should find satisfactory. They can help her there.

I don't think that she is mentally ill. I think that she needs a friend, and the asari to change their regulations.

Well she definitely isn't mentally ill but I can't think of a place where she can be kept for the safety of others and be helped. If there ever was a time that she needed a friend it was cetntureis ago before she decided to run and start melding w/ people and killing them. The only thing an AY can do is to abstain from melding w/ people but it seems that the Asari governemtn doesn't trust AY to do that and rightfully so, I say.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I don't think that she is mentally ill. I think that she needs a friend, and the asari to change their regulations.

You're blatently ignoring the facts of the matter. She had friends, and then proceeded to kill them.

As far as I know they were all mindcontrolled, and I know only 2 - the village and Nef. Village gave her sacrifices and Nef sounded completely brainwashed in her journals.

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

Well she definitely isn't mentally ill but I can't think of a place where she can be kept for the safety of others and be helped. If there ever was a time that she needed a friend it was cetntureis ago before she decided to run and start melding w/ people and killing them. The only thing an AY can do is to abstain from melding w/ people but it seems that the Asari governemtn doesn't trust AY to do that and rightfully so, I say.

I think she would be welcome in many places if the AY situation is resolved. Military most definately, with her abileties maybe even a spectre.

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I think the reason she came along w/ Shepard because she really wanted to meld w/ him but she couldn't use her Dominate ability on him so maybe she came along to be able to seduce Shepard into melding w/ her and at the end of the SM she convinces Shepard to do so and we all know what happened then. It makes you wonder what Morinth would've done after mircrowaving Shep's brain.

Fly out the airlock when EDI fails to read Shepards life signs?

Or turn the Normandy into a bloodbath.

Not with EDI on the watch. 

Well, there's a good chance that she would've taken out a large portion of the crew before she was put down.

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

Well, there's a good chance that she would've taken out a large portion of the crew before she was put down.

So let me get this straight: Morinth was holding on to her life for 400 years to risk her life on a suicide mission for a CHANCE that Shepard will meld with her, so that she would take out, if successful - Thane, Kasumi, Miranda and Doctor Chakwas, and fly out the airlock to die. Did I get it all right?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

She gets power, she becomes stronger, her nervous system raveges her partners and becomes better at controlling biotic fields. That's the main goal of melding.

Yep - and if all she wants to do is live free and hide, she needs none of that. 

She's killing because she wants to - and that makes her a monster, responsible for the deaths.

Again we don't know that. What if she for example wanted to become strong enough to get her sisters out of seclusion, as someone mentioned? 

The keyword is bolded. You've just failed the discussion.. 

No I didn't. We don't know if she NEEDS it...

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, there's a good chance that she would've taken out a large portion of the crew before she was put down.

So let me get this straight: Morinth was holding on to her life for 400 years to risk her life on a suicide mission for a CHANCE that Shepard will meld with her, so that she would take out, if successful - Thane, Kasumi, Miranda and Doctor Chakwas, and fly out the airlock to die. Did I get it all right?

Well, I'd like to think that she would attempt to steal the shuttle.

Modifié par Ravensword, 05 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, there's a good chance that she would've taken out a large portion of the crew before she was put down.

So let me get this straight: Morinth was holding on to her life for 400 years to risk her life on a suicide mission for a CHANCE that Shepard will meld with her, so that she would take out, if successful - Thane, Kasumi, Miranda and Doctor Chakwas, and fly out the airlock to die. Did I get it all right?

Well, I'd like to think that she would attempt to steal the shuttle.

How the f do you steal the shuttle from an unshackeled AI?? 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

She gets power, she becomes stronger, her nervous system raveges her partners and becomes better at controlling biotic fields. That's the main goal of melding.

Yep - and if all she wants to do is live free and hide, she needs none of that. 

She's killing because she wants to - and that makes her a monster, responsible for the deaths.

Again we don't know that. What if she for example wanted to become strong enough to get her sisters out of seclusion, as someone mentioned? 

The keyword is bolded. You've just failed the discussion.. 

No I didn't. We don't know if she NEEDS it...

Look at the word choice of yours that I bolded.

And again it is not mutualy exsclusive. She may need power to survive and want to apply it somehow.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

As far as I know they were all mindcontrolled, and I know only 2 - the village and Nef. Village gave her sacrifices and Nef sounded completely brainwashed in her journals.

Doesn't matter. She had what you claim she needed, then killed it.

The fact that she brainwashed these people in order to get them to like her before she killed them doesn't make it any better. She is still a murderer, and monster, no matter how much you want to convince youself that she is not responsible, it was her choices, however crappy the options, that directly lead to these deaths that she willfully caused.

There is no justification, and saving the galaxy from the Reapers is the only possible redemption, and she is not needed for that, especially when you have to give up Samara for her.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

How the f do you steal the shuttle from an unshackeled AI??

Turn off all wireless communication so that EDI has no access point to the shuttle's systems.

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Well, there's a good chance that she would've taken out a large portion of the crew before she was put down.

So let me get this straight: Morinth was holding on to her life for 400 years to risk her life on a suicide mission for a CHANCE that Shepard will meld with her, so that she would take out, if successful - Thane, Kasumi, Miranda and Doctor Chakwas, and fly out the airlock to die. Did I get it all right?

Well, I'd like to think that she would attempt to steal the shuttle.

How the f do you steal the shuttle from an unshackeled AI?? 

I actually italicized the word "attempt" to emphasize that she would try to do so and not neccesarily be successful.

[Sethan_1]

D.Kain wrote...

No I didn't. We don't know if she NEEDS it...

If she does need it, the Asari were absolutely justified in preemptively confining her to protect everyone else.

If she merely wants it - then my earlier arguments apply.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

As far as I know they were all mindcontrolled, and I know only 2 - the village and Nef. Village gave her sacrifices and Nef sounded completely brainwashed in her journals.

Doesn't matter. She had what you claim she needed, then killed it.

The fact that she brainwashed these people in order to get them to like her before she killed them doesn't make it any better. She is still a murderer, and monster, no matter how much you want to convince youself that she is not responsible, it was her choices, however crappy the options, that directly lead to these deaths that she willfully caused.

There is no justification, and saving the galaxy from the Reapers is the only possible redemption, and she is not needed for that, especially when you have to give up Samara for her.

Ok soo. If Morinth chooses seclusion she is screwed, because she hates it more than death. If Morinth chooses death she is screwed. If Morinth chooses to run away and hide she is screwed, because without the power to fight back she is all alone, there is a chance that she would be killed by random mercs or thugs, or if she ran very far it wouldn't be different from seclussion. And if Morinth chooses what she chose she is SUPPOSED to be screwed? 

I really can't grasp the concept of providing the person with only bad choices and then punishing the person afterwards. 

[SandTrout]

D.Kain is a mentally ill individual, we should stop trying to argue with someone who thinks that 2+2=5 and nothing we can say will convince him that 2+2=4

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

How the f do you steal the shuttle from an unshackeled AI??

Turn off all wireless communication so that EDI has no access point to the shuttle's systems.

Shot down by the Normandy much? The most advanced human vessel.