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[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain is a mentally ill individual, we should stop trying to argue with someone who thinks that 2+2=5 and nothing we can say will convince him that 2+2=4

Good thing no people that I know in person think that.

[Ravensword]

AY are tragic figures in Asari society but when Morinth chose freedom instead of peaceful seclusion or death, she used her freedom to deprive hundreds of individuals of life.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

How the f do you steal the shuttle from an unshackeled AI??

Turn off all wireless communication so that EDI has no access point to the shuttle's systems.

Shot down by the Normandy much? The most advanced human vessel.

Not a "human" vessel but of course you didn't know.

Omg. What does Turian help has to do with it being in human hands?

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

AY are tragic figures in Asari society but when Morinth chose freedom instead of peaceful seclusion or death, she used her freedom to deprive hundreds of individuals of life.

All her choices are bad. And NOT because they are just bad by nature, but because asari made them so.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Ok soo. If Morinth chooses seclusion she is screwed, because she hates it more than death.

She's not screwed, she's foolish. Her values are flawed, as proven by her many murders. People get crappy choices all the time, but they pick the best of the crappy and move on. She chose the worst of the crappy and you want us to be happy for her. Screw that.

If Morinth chooses death she is screwed. If Morinth chooses to run away and hide she is screwed, because without the power to fight back she is all alone, there is a chance that she would be killed by random mercs or thugs, or if she ran very far it wouldn't be different from seclussion. And if Morinth chooses what she chose she is SUPPOSED to be screwed? 

I really can't grasp the concept of providing the person with only bad choices and then punishing the person afterwards.

She will not, ever, have enough power to not be hunted, no matter how many people she melds with, she will always be hunted as a murderer, even if an exceptionally dangerous one.

Living is seclusion isn't as bad as you make it out to be because she is forced to live in seclusion because she is a murderer anyways. The result is the same with the only real exception being that the Asari way, hundreds (thousands?) of people are still alive that are dead Morinth's way.

Just because you're in a bad situation doesn't mean that you won't be held accountable for makeing the worst possible decission of the ones available.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Ok soo. If Morinth chooses seclusion she is screwed, because she hates it more than death.

She's not screwed, she's foolish. Her values are flawed, as proven by her many murders. People get crappy choices all the time, but they pick the best of the crappy and move on. She chose the worst of the crappy and you want us to be happy for her. Screw that.

If Morinth chooses death she is screwed. If Morinth chooses to run away and hide she is screwed, because without the power to fight back she is all alone, there is a chance that she would be killed by random mercs or thugs, or if she ran very far it wouldn't be different from seclussion. And if Morinth chooses what she chose she is SUPPOSED to be screwed? 

I really can't grasp the concept of providing the person with only bad choices and then punishing the person afterwards.

She will not, ever, have enough power to not be hunted, no matter how many people she melds with, she will always be hunted as a murderer, even if an exceptionally dangerous one.

Living is seclusion isn't as bad as you make it out to be because she is forced to live in seclusion because she is a murderer anyways. The result is the same with the only real exception being that the Asari way, hundreds (thousands?) of people are still alive that are dead Morinth's way.

Just because you're in a bad situation doesn't mean that you won't be held accountable for makeing the worst possible decission of the ones available.

I don't think that living in seclusion is so bad, Morinth does. And because loves freedom her values are flawed. 
You will say anything to justify asari to treat AY crappy, because you see it as totally fine. 
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

All her choices are bad. And NOT because they are just bad by nature, but because asari made them so.

Being a bad choice or a good choice isn't binary. Not all bad choices are the same.

I have the option of crashing an airplane full of passengers with a nuclear bomb on it over the ocean or over Los Angels. Landing and defussing the bomb are not an option.

Choosing to crash into LA is still the wrong choice.

Choosing to run away and murder hundreds of people is still the wrong choice.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

All her choices are bad. And NOT because they are just bad by nature, but because asari made them so.

Being a bad choice or a good choice isn't binary. Not all bad choices are the same.

I have the option of crashing an airplane full of passengers with a nuclear bomb on it over the ocean or over Los Angels. Landing and defussing the bomb are not an option.

Choosing to crash into LA is still the wrong choice.

Choosing to run away and murder hundreds of people is still the wrong choice.

In Morinth's case by landing it into LA she survived. And she was dragged to the plain against her will.

[Sethan_1]

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

Modifié par Sethan_1, 05 octobre 2011 - 09:43 .

[D.Kain]

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

No it proves the completely opposite. She didn't have her freedom without being treated like a murderer, she had nothing to loose, and everything to gain by murder. 

[D.Kain]

My God. People are so easily manipulated into treating other people like crap and thinking that it is the right thing to do. I'm shoked. They feel so right, that when somebody want's to fix the issue and stop the cycle of injustice, it is considered insane and amoral.

[Ravensword]

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

This, but I would say that the Asari should do something to help the AY but seeing as it only affects 1% of Asari and only from pureblood pairings that the Asari government aren't going to do anything about it since this issue can be easily contained, w/ the exception of Morinth who was able to escape.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

In Morinth's case by landing it into LA she survived. And she was dragged to the plain against her will.

And all the people in LA diserve to suffer for that? You're taking away a million people's lives for the sake of 1 person's freedom.

[D.Kain]

Ravensword wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

This, but I would say that the Asari should do something to help the AY but seeing as it only affects 1% of Asari and only from pureblood pairings that the Asari government aren't going to do anything about it since this issue can be easily contained, w/ the exception of Morinth who was able to escape.

And this is what makes me not even do anything about the issue. Numbers aren't supposed to mean much. If they aren't going to do anything, I am not going to do anything about Morinth.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

My God. People are so easily manipulated into treating other people like crap and thinking that it is the right thing to do. I'm shoked. They feel so right, that when somebody want's to fix the issue and stop the cycle of injustice, it is considered insane and amoral.

Indeed, why do you want to treat hundreds of muder victims like they diserved to be killed?

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

In Morinth's case by landing it into LA she survived. And she was dragged to the plain against her will.

And all the people in LA diserve to suffer for that? You're taking away a million people's lives for the sake of 1 person's freedom.

Because that person was dragged to the plain. I'm going to take that person, find those that put him on the plain and make them change their ways, so that in the future it never happens again. 

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

My God. People are so easily manipulated into treating other people like crap and thinking that it is the right thing to do. I'm shoked. They feel so right, that when somebody want's to fix the issue and stop the cycle of injustice, it is considered insane and amoral.

Indeed, why do you want to treat hundreds of muder victims like they diserved to be killed?

I don't. But they were killed because of asari laws.

[Ravensword]

D.Kain wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

This, but I would say that the Asari should do something to help the AY but seeing as it only affects 1% of Asari and only from pureblood pairings that the Asari government aren't going to do anything about it since this issue can be easily contained, w/ the exception of Morinth who was able to escape.

And this is what makes me not even do anything about the issue. Numbers aren't supposed to mean much. If they aren't going to do anything, I am not going to do anything about Morinth.

Maybe. The choice would then be to let Morinth go on about her way and continue killing people till someone stops her or to end her right then and there to keep her from harming anymore people.

[Sethan_1]

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Why should the asari get away with needlessly putting people into crappy situations and having it fixed for them?

The fact that Morinth used her freedom to serially murder people demonstrably proves that the Asari plan was not needless.

No it proves the completely opposite. She didn't have her freedom without being treated like a murderer, she had nothing to loose, and everything to gain by murder. 

*chuckle* She was treated like a murderer because the Asari have some experience with Ardat-Yakshi, and know that given their freedom, they become serial murderers.  Shockingly, when Morinth had her freedom, she... you guessed it... became a serial murderer.  Thus, the Asari plan to put her in seclusion was not needless.

What she had to lose by murder was her freedom and her life.  Once she left Asari space (and possibly while in it), no one would ever have found her had she not left a trail of bodies to track her by. 

She either became a murderer because she had no choice (in which case pre-emptively locking her up was entirely proper), or she did it by choice, demonstrating that she is a monster, and that she should have been locked up before she got the chance.