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[Bigdoser]

When I was playing and I found out that samara was planning to kill me if we ever met again I just reloaded and took morinith instead since its easier dealing with someone who just wants to eat/seduce you than one that wants to crush your skull soon as you meet again. This is my renegade runs morinith always dies on my paragon runs.

I personally hope that bioware does something interesting with morinith  and I hope they don't reduce her to a new report or email.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:07 .

[thatguy212]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm just utterly astonished someone can support a serial killer, at the cost of others around her. Going with Kain's theory, it's incredibly selfish for someone to kill other people just so THEY can live. Who does Morinth think she is, that she's more important than the countless people she's murdered?

The Genetic Destiny of the Asari?   I don't endorse what she does, and unlike some of her fans i have no delusions on who and what she is, i don't support any of the things she's done and don't think any of what she has done is excusable, but my shepard is willing to use her to help stop the collectors and the reapers, and if she gets out of line my shepard would gladly put her down

[Bitework]

 I don't buy the whole 'she kills while having sex due to a genetic defect' thing. now if she had a seizure and started foaming out the mouth, okay, maybe. but having homi-xenocidal urges when sexually aroused seems like a psychiatric thing, and the "genetic defect" is a convient excuse to justify aberrant behavior. there are IRL parallels to this.  all  this talk reminds me that I still need to get her bonus power.

[Undertone]

SandTrout wrote...

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

Plenty of reasons. Samara is bound by a rigid code that basically limits her combat capabilities and options. This is evidenced by her fight with Nihlus who used her code against her to gain advantage. On the other hand Samara says herself as soon as her oath is done she will kill me for the "injustices" that I have done in her eyes and according to her stupid code. I disagree with her "morality" and consider her no better then her daughter for whom at least it's an addiction. 

Another reason to choose Morinth is her versatile style of combat, her powers and the fact that she has been on the run from a young age. Basically has experience and is more youthful and therefore more innovative, has skills beyond her powers evidenced by her escape from Thessia. 

I also generally prefer her philosophy about living and like her character from the conversations Shepard has with her. 

Also my Shepard managed to resist her mental powers so she has nothing to worry about. In fact being the only person so far that resisted her calling makes her extremely interesting and desirable to Morinth. 

Plus Moridin can research on her condition and possibly cure it or at least give me some knowledge or advantage over the Asari race as a whole. I'm interested in the cause of the condition and why it happens - have the Asari degenerated so far from breeding with other species that if Asari breed with one another there's a high probability of resulting into this condition. If such is the case it basically means that the Asari have become/are a race of parasites. 

And also I don't see why choosing Morinth should turn out bad? Does every decision that's renegade has to turn bad and paragon turn out good? You people are silly. What's the point of having two different morality paths if one consistently turns out for the worse. 

Samara is not bound by the code in ME3 so she has no more loyalty or chances of staying with Shepard then Morinth has. In fact in some cases she will likely try to kill Shepard. And as I already mentioned my Shepard resisted Morinth's power so she has nothing to fear from her considering her motives and survival mentality are predictable where you don't know if Samara's gonna shoot you next turn because she is obliged by her stupid code because you had to do something to stop the Reapers. 


And to those that pick Morinth and then reload and kill her to get Dominate - that's pure metagaming at best and retarded. 

So why picking Morinth should be a bad choice and turn out for the worse? For me letting the Queen was possibly one of the luckiest things to turn out for the good and basically massively irresponsible decision on Shepard's part. Considering you can possibly result in the destruction of the galaxy by letting a species that can in few generations overwhelm the galaxy with greater birth rates then even the Krogans before the Genophage. Because a person with their life hanging on the line will say anything to save their lifes.

So you had your wild guess and it turned out good - good for you, but it doesn't change the fact you went purely on emotion. Most of the renegade decisions turn out for the worse while they are the more logical thing to do. Why should every renegade decision turn out for the worse?  

[Undertone]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Why must you bring paragon/renegade into this. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic, we're talking about Morinth, not your metagaming.

and saying "she's good at combat" is hardly a reason to bring along a completely selfish person who's more than willing to kill innocents to stay alive. You have twelve people on your tean, that only two of whom can come along at once.

Because people earlier in this thread demanded that this renegade decision should be absolutely punished. I merely asked - what, why, you mean it should get punished like every other single renegade decision? 

Maybe you should read the thread from the start before you accuse. And uhm do you know what metagaming means?

I need to stop the Reapers and I need the best of the best - Morinth is more useful to me and stronger then Samara in my opinion. What they do in their free time is not my concern or problem so long as it doesn't compromise the mission or my goal. 

And what? Only two can come along? Are we talking game mechanics and limitations now How does that connect with anything? 

[Nizzemancer]

thatguy212 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm sure Morinth believes she was running away to freedom and in a way that is correct. But freedom is different than melding with someone after you knew you were a danger and killing them.

Yeah but you have to think about it from Morinth's perspective, she was 40 so thats like a teenager by asari standards, everyone is out to kill you because of something you can't control and all you can think about is if you mate with someone it could give you the strength to protect yourself, no i'm not trying to justify the obvious horrible things shes done, but if the condition is as addictive as samara makes it sound then we shouldn't look at her as a monster but with pitty as she is just a super charged junkie who will do anything to get her fix

No, she had a chance to not kill people, to live out her life in seclusion with her sisters, nobody was out to kill her at that time, she chose to instead go on a killing spree across the galaxy simply to rebel against her mother, and that is when she became hunted. It's nobodys fault but her own even if her condition isn't her fault.

[Undertone]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

My apology, I thought your were talking about something recent there.


I may be mistaken, but doesn't the lore say that Asari are their strongest when they are matriarchs, like Samara? And Samara has more experience killing actual people; Morinth just enthralls them and destroys their nervous system or whatever. And Samara is not held back by her code during your mission, which means her combat powers are in no way hampered. You do have a point about her trying to kill you.


And what makes you think Morinth's addictive ways won't compromise the mission? Most addict's lives are defined by the thing they are addicted to, and it consumes them.

I recall something like this as well and it is only logical that after many years, you are more adept at controlling your powers. However Samara's oath to Shepard is something temporary plus we don't know this Code trully. Who's to say there isn't some sutra that can override that oath, for example. I know that's purely speculation on my part but the Code is something unfamiliar and exploitable from enemies, it's something that's upredictable (because of me not knowing it), where's Morinth survivalist nature and urges are predictable. And basically the most important thing is that Samara gives her oath to stop the Collectors, not the Reapers. So in ME3 she is not bound by her oath. Add that and her desire to kill my Shepard for her actions and you can already see a trend. 

As for Morinth she has actual combat  experience as well, maybe not as adept as Samara but her condition provides interesting oppurtunities and skills. Hell she managed to convince an entire colony of Asari to see her as god if I recall. I find that impressive. And often direct confrontation isn't the most efficient way. 

And as I already said her condition may provide some knowledge and insight that can be useful against the Asari in the long run in a post-Reaper galaxy. 

As for her addiction, well I suppose Shepard can always ask what's the time frame in which she needs a fix. And yes although it has a slight potential to compromise, you have to also understand that addiction can bring you do unthinkable things and pass through unsurmountable challenges. As I said so long as she doesn't compromise my crew, I'm fine with what she does in her spare time. 

Modifié par Undertone, 27 septembre 2011 - 09:54 .

[GlobalStrike]

Wow, and I literally just had morinth kill Samara for the first of five playthroughs not 20 minutes ago. I have admit, I feel like such a bastard, but I figure it will all be worth it if morinth does her thing to every Batarian out there, that way her powers will be at the point of being a biotic " godess", for lack of a better term. She'll rip reapers apart with her biotics. Oh, and the four-eyes will wiped out, too.

[AlexXIV]

Undertone wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Why must you bring paragon/renegade into this. That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic, we're talking about Morinth, not your metagaming.

and saying "she's good at combat" is hardly a reason to bring along a completely selfish person who's more than willing to kill innocents to stay alive. You have twelve people on your tean, that only two of whom can come along at once.

Because people earlier in this thread demanded that this renegade decision should be absolutely punished. I merely asked - what, why, you mean it should get punished like every other single renegade decision? 

Maybe you should read the thread from the start before you accuse. And uhm do you know what metagaming means?

I need to stop the Reapers and I need the best of the best - Morinth is more useful to me and stronger then Samara in my opinion. What they do in their free time is not my concern or problem so long as it doesn't compromise the mission or my goal. 

And what? Only two can come along? Are we talking game mechanics and limitations now How does that connect with anything? 

Well your opinon sucks because it is baseless. You could as well say that in your opinion apple tastes like cherry. That would be just as stupid. All the hints we have are that Samara is more powerful than Morinth, and more trustworthy, since she is a Justicar and not a massmurderer ...

And if you have a problem with what I just wrote, you know, it's my opinion. And I take it you are a person who values opinions more than facts.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 septembre 2011 - 02:56 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

It always makes me laugh when people want to be able to act like dicks and not have it come back to bite them later.

[RhiPanda]

I noticed someone on here saying that they feel sympathy for Morinth because they support freedom. Right, Morinth is a serial killer, does that mean you think all serial killers should be free and not locked up for the safety of others? Just something i thought...

[Dean_the_Young]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I'm just utterly astonished someone can support a serial killer, at the cost of others around her. Going with Kain's theory, it's incredibly selfish for someone to kill other people just so THEY can live. Who does Morinth think she is, that she's more important than the countless people she's murdered?

Until that last line, I wasn't sure if you were talking about Morinth or Samara.

[Dean_the_Young]

AlexXIV wrote...
All the hints we have are that Samara is more powerful than Morinth,

You mean, like when Samara says that Morinth is able to grow more powerful over time, while Samara herself is unable to overpower Morinth when they do have their confrontation?

Maybe it's opposite day where you are.

and more trustworthy, since she is a Justicar and not a massmurderer ...

How in the world are these two mutually exclusive? Besides the innacuracy in attribution, mind you.

Morinth is a serial killer, not a mass murderer: she kills individuals at a time. It's Samara the Justicar we meet after she just wiped out a criminal group and before a looming police station massacre.

[ddv.rsa]

Imo Kelly is an excellent candidate for Morinth (masquerading as Samara). Wouldn't that be an interesting twist? I wonder how the people who defend Morinth would react to that.

[CroGamer002]

"Punished for trusting the Monster?"



WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!

[Medhia Nox]

@Dean_The_Young: Shepard wipes out plenty of criminal groups... for nothing more than the loyalty of his friends.

So - do you accept that Shepard is also a mass murderer?

All clever arguments aside - do you really support Morinth over Samara?

I believe both you and I have agreed in the past that Morinth's "evil" was so blatantly shoved down the audiences throat by presenting us with a story of how she just turned a young, innocent, human artist into a Scooby Snack.

I won't argue your viewpoint that people with strict moral codes are evil because having a loose moral code (or no moral code) is better - I absolutely (there's that black and white) disagree with it.

But - surely your own view of ethics doesn't force you to side with Morinth just because you view strict moral codes as dangerous and outdated?

Or do you truly believe siding with a sexual predator - serial killer is the lesser of two evils?

[lovgreno]

Mesina2 wrote...

"Punished for trusting the Monster?"



WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!

Even the superhuman Shepard can make the wrong choice sometimes and I suspect trusting the "monster" will be one of those misstakes.

[Cheesy Blue]

This thread makes me lol

[Ryzaki]

I'd be vastly amused if any Shepard that recruited Morinth got the treat of having her kill their LI or a random crew member if they don't have an LI.

[1136342t54_]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
You mean, like when Samara says that Morinth is able to grow more powerful over time, while Samara herself is unable to overpower Morinth when they do have their confrontation?

Maybe it's opposite day where you are.

All Biotics especially Asari biotics can grow in power. There is a reason why they say Matriarchs are some of the strongest biotics around.

How in the world are these two mutually exclusive? Besides the innacuracy in attribution, mind you.

Morinth is a serial killer, not a mass murderer: she kills individuals at a time. It's Samara the Justicar we meet after she just wiped out a criminal group and before a looming police station massacre.

Morinth can be called a mass murderer. There is no telling how many people she has killed in 400 years. It is likely she killed just as many as Samara. The only difference is Samara has likely killed many more criminals than innocents. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

lovgreno wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

"Punished for trusting the Monster?"



WHAT DID YOU EXPECT?!

Even the superhuman Shepard can make the wrong choice sometimes and I suspect trusting the "monster" will be one of those misstakes.

The more mistakes Shepard makes, the more it makes him seem human.  After all, it would be stupid if he was completley perfect.

[Dave of Canada]

Samara threatens to kill me out in the open.
Morinth tries to kill me with seduction.

They're both different. Morinth enjoys killing while Samara kills for her code, I don't like either of them but it isn't surprising to see Morinth doesn't deviate from her usual path if she's still alive.

Never spare Morinth, though. I'd rather fight the person who's trying to kill me in the open than the one who's trying to manipulate me with mind control or can manipulate my crew and friends.