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[tonnactus]

Like someone else wrote,killing people was also a good way to increase her survival chances(not only against her mother/places like omega and illium are dangerous enough without that).
And before someone write that without the murdered people no one would find her:
Cerberus found Grayson on Omega without having actually operating agents there.
The justicars could have an information network that is actually equal to the one cerberus have.
She is,despite far younger,an equal biotic compared with her mother.
And when everyday could be your last one,you didnt care much about others.You enjoy your life as good as you can.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You still haven't responded to this point.

Did anyone force Morinth to kill Nef?

What about all those sacrifices at that village?

The Krogan suitor?

Did anyone force her to kill? No.

She choose to kill those people of her own free twisted will.

But I believe that it was nescecery for her life.

Nothing in the game gives any reason to conclude that an Ardat Yakshi must kill to live... the fact that they are able to go into seclusion is proof that they don't need to do kill to live. 

[D.Kain]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain why do you try to justify all that she did when she herself doesn't give a f*ck?

Well, first we don't know that. Maybe she felt deep remorse for first 50 years and then just used to it, aka emotional selfdeffence mechanism. Second, because she was a victim first, which lead to other victims.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You still haven't responded to this point.

Did anyone force Morinth to kill Nef?

What about all those sacrifices at that village?

The Krogan suitor?

Did anyone force her to kill? No.

She choose to kill those people of her own free twisted will.

But I believe that it was nescecery for her life.

Nothing in the game gives any reason to conclude that an Ardat Yakshi must kill to live... the fact that they are able to go into seclusion is proof that they don't need to do kill to live. 

Read tonnactus. I basically said the same many times. It's not because her biology need's it, it's that her circumstances need it.

[PauseforEffect]

Good lord, this thread is still going.
No more. NO MORE!!
I commend you Kain, for standing behind your convictions. May your friends find you there for them in their own struggle.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You still haven't responded to this point.

Did anyone force Morinth to kill Nef?

What about all those sacrifices at that village?

The Krogan suitor?

Did anyone force her to kill? No.

She choose to kill those people of her own free twisted will.

But I believe that it was nescecery for her life.

Nothing in the game gives any reason to conclude that an Ardat Yakshi must kill to live... the fact that they are able to go into seclusion is proof that they don't need to do kill to live. 

Read tonnactus. I basically said the same many times. It's not because her biology need's it, it's that her circumstances need it.

Which gets us back to this nonsense about Morinth supposedly being more important than all the people she rapemurdered. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

D.Kain: SHE WAS TREATED BAD AND GIVEN BAD CHOICES THAT MEANS SHE GETS TO DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS!!!!

Everyone else: Actually no it doesn't.

D.Kain: WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO HURT PEOPLE!!!!

Everyone else: Morinth hurts people.

D.Kain: BECAUSE SHE CAN!!!

Everyone else:.......uhmmmm No actually she can't.

[Asenza]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain: SHE WAS TREATED BAD AND GIVEN BAD CHOICES THAT MEANS SHE GETS TO DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS!!!!

Everyone else: Actually no it doesn't.

D.Kain: WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO HURT PEOPLE!!!!

Everyone else: Morinth hurts people.

D.Kain: BECAUSE SHE CAN!!!

Everyone else:.......uhmmmm No actually she can't.

Lol. I think you just summed up... 122 pages.

Modifié par Asenza, 05 octobre 2011 - 08:47 .

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tonnactus wrote...

Like someone else wrote,killing people was also a good way to increase her survival chances(not only against her mother/places like omega and illium are dangerous enough without that).
And before someone write that without the murdered people no one would find her:
Cerberus found Grayson on Omega without having actually operating agents there.
The justicars could have an information network that is actually equal to the one cerberus have.
She is,despite far younger,an equal biotic compared with her mother.
And when everyday could be your last one,you didnt care much about others.You enjoy your life as good as you can.

The Justicars don't. Cerberus relies on illegal sources for info Justicars cannot due to there code. Also it is proven in the game that Samara couldn't track her when Morinth wasn't killing. It was the reason why Morinth stopped killing because when she did Samara could not find her.

[RagnarsGirl]

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain why do you try to justify all that she did when she herself doesn't give a f*ck?

Well, first we don't know that. Maybe she felt deep remorse for first 50 years and then just used to it, aka emotional selfdeffence mechanism. Second, because she was a victim first, which lead to other victims.

ooh ooh pick me pick me..Can I be your friend? lol

I think Morinth stayed away for a good couple of 100years..Every time she Mates/Melds/Kills/Murders(your choice) she gets stronger.
When she encounters Samara in her apartment she doesn't come across as "all powerful' which leads me to believe that she clearly wasn't doing it right from the beginning.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain: SHE WAS TREATED BAD AND GIVEN BAD CHOICES THAT MEANS SHE GETS TO DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS!!!!

Everyone else: Actually no it doesn't.

D.Kain: WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO HURT PEOPLE!!!!

Everyone else: Morinth hurts people.

D.Kain: BECAUSE SHE CAN!!!

Everyone else:.......uhmmmm No actually she can't.

As I said, D.Kain believes that two wrongs make a right, and we're at an impasse.

More like the same wrong repeated with gusto for roughly 400 years.

[Ravensword]

Moral relativism? That's kind of irrelevant here... oh, wait. I just nullified my own argument.

Modifié par Ravensword, 05 octobre 2011 - 10:31 .

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain: SHE WAS TREATED BAD AND GIVEN BAD CHOICES THAT MEANS SHE GETS TO DO ANYTHING SHE WANTS!!!!

Everyone else: Actually no it doesn't.

D.Kain: WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO HURT PEOPLE!!!!

Everyone else: Morinth hurts people.

D.Kain: BECAUSE SHE CAN!!!

Everyone else:.......uhmmmm No actually she can't.

As I said, D.Kain believes that two wrongs make a right, and we're at an impasse.

If so then killing Morinth would be the third wrong in the chain. 

And to Grand admiral - Morinth hurts people because she got hurt. I already said that if I stop that she should stop too - no more killings.

[D.Kain]

RagnarsGirl wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

D.Kain why do you try to justify all that she did when she herself doesn't give a f*ck?

Well, first we don't know that. Maybe she felt deep remorse for first 50 years and then just used to it, aka emotional selfdeffence mechanism. Second, because she was a victim first, which lead to other victims.

ooh ooh pick me pick me..Can I be your friend? lol

I think Morinth stayed away for a good couple of 100years..Every time she Mates/Melds/Kills/Murders(your choice) she gets stronger.
When she encounters Samara in her apartment she doesn't come across as "all powerful' which leads me to believe that she clearly wasn't doing it right from the beginning.

She actulally somehow managed to match Samara in raw biotic power, even though she was a maiden a[nd Samara was a matriarch. 

[D.Kain]

Dunstan wrote...

 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

D. Kain, so because you don't blame Morinth for her evil actions, does that still make her a Monster in your eyes? Or is she not a Monster? And if not, what is a Monster to you?

[D.Kain]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

D. Kain, so because you don't blame Morinth for her evil actions, does that still make her a Monster in your eyes? Or is she not a Monster? And if not, what is a Monster to you?

There is insufiecient information to be sure. But MOST likely she is a monster. 

[AnAccountWithNoName]

D.Kain wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

D. Kain, so because you don't blame Morinth for her evil actions, does that still make her a Monster in your eyes? Or is she not a Monster? And if not, what is a Monster to you?

There is insufiecient information to be sure. But MOST likely she is a monster. 

HOLY FRAK.......we AGREE......on SOMETHING........although i have seen many posts in this thread, that show your utter lack of good morality, that i have given up hope that you would change your mind, but now, maybe there is a SLIM (extremly slim) chance, that you will see the light.....and the TRUTH will SET you free.  And you could then join the rest of us sane rational people.

[D.Kain]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

HOLY FRAK.......we AGREE......on SOMETHING........although i have seen many posts in this thread, that show your utter lack of good morality, that i have given up hope that you would change your mind, but now, maybe there is a SLIM (extremly slim) chance, that you will see the light.....and the TRUTH will SET you free.  And you could then join the rest of us sane rational people.

Even if she is a monster, she probably can stop being one. She just had to become one to survive.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

No she didn't.
She killed and liked it.

D.Kain it's okay that you like the remorseless killer.
Hell evil characters can often be extremely cool.

But the fact that you personally like a character and think they can change doesn't change the in-game facts that you are given.

She's a bad bad girl and if you're going to like her you should do it on those (de)merits.

[D.Kain]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

No she didn't.
She killed and liked it.

D.Kain it's okay that you like the remorseless killer.
Hell evil characters can often be extremely cool.

But the fact that you personally like a character and think they can change doesn't change the in-game facts that you are given.

She's a bad bad girl and if you're going to like her you should do it on those (de)merits.

I like her because she is intelegent, badass and attractive. yes. But seriously - if asari treated her right, she would be dead in my playthrough for what she has done. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

No she didn't.
She killed and liked it.

D.Kain it's okay that you like the remorseless killer.
Hell evil characters can often be extremely cool.

But the fact that you personally like a character and think they can change doesn't change the in-game facts that you are given.

She's a bad bad girl and if you're going to like her you should do it on those (de)merits.

I like her because she is intelegent, badass and attractive. yes. But seriously - if asari treated her right, she would be dead in my playthrough for what she has done. 

The asari have known about and had to deal with the AY's for thousands and thousands of years.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.

She's killed lots of people for no reason and no matter what you say it's not justified, she's earned death.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:49 .

[D.Kain]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

The asari have known about and had to deal with the AY's for thousands and thousands of years.
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt on this one.

She's killed lots of people for no reason and no matter what you say it's not justified, she's earned death.

Yes this is our dissagreement. I think that asari might have started to hide AY since the star age for political reasons, which is selfish. But again let ME3 tell us what is really going on. I have yet to see and hear what are Morinth's future plans.