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[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
....and how Morinth is neither a rapist....

Morinth is just as much a rapist as someone who drugs their victims first. 

[1136342t54_]

Morinth seems to mind control the victim when she gets them to her apartment basically.

Edit: Its more mind rape than actual physical rape.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 27 septembre 2011 - 08:22 .

[AlexXIV]

1136342t54 wrote...

Morinth seems to mind control the victim when she gets them to her apartment basically.

Edit: Its more mind rape than actual physical rape.

Question is if people voluntarily take the drugs. I mean just if you have taken drugs before sex, you haven't been raped. Only if it happend without your consent.

[GodWood]

Ryzaki wrote...
Better still is what my renegade Shep did. Both of them are dead. 

That was the original plan (kill her in the SM then roleplay it that Shepard stormed in her room and blew her brains out post-SM) but I figured I'd be cutting myself out of some potential drama in ME3.

And I loves me some drama.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Better still is what my renegade Shep did. Both of them are dead. 

That was the original plan (kill her in the SM then roleplay it that Shepard stormed in her room and blew her brains out post-SM) but I figured I'd be cutting myself out of some potential drama in ME3.

And I loves me some drama.

I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

[GodWood]

Seboist wrote...
I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

I really do need to complete a 'Wreav with genophage cured' playthrough.

That's likely to seriously **** some **** up

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Seboist wrote...
I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

I really do need to complete a 'Wreav with genophage cured' playthrough.

That's likely to seriously **** some **** up

lol, I've considered doing that too! Wreav's Krogan with the genophage cure would be one hell of a way to screw over the three council races!

[1136342t54_]

I think I have one playthrough in which Wreav and Morinth is alive. Not sure how screwed I am though.

[ddv.rsa]

Seboist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Seboist wrote...
I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

I really do need to complete a 'Wreav with genophage cured' playthrough.

That's likely to seriously **** some **** up

lol, I've considered doing that too! Wreav's Krogan with the genophage cure would be one hell of a way to screw over the three council races!

Not so much if you spare the Rachni Queen. They can kill eachother while the rest of the galaxy rebuilds.

[Seboist]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Seboist wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Seboist wrote...
I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

I really do need to complete a 'Wreav with genophage cured' playthrough.

That's likely to seriously **** some **** up

lol, I've considered doing that too! Wreav's Krogan with the genophage cure would be one hell of a way to screw over the three council races!

Not so much if you spare the Rachni Queen. They can kill eachother while the rest of the galaxy rebuilds.

My main Shepard aspires to be Saren 2.0 with an army of Krogan,Rachni and Geth to unleash on the three council races. :happy:

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Seboist wrote...
I created a pseudo-canon playthrough to see what ME3 would do with the characters of Morinth and Wreav. :happy:

I really do need to complete a 'Wreav with genophage cured' playthrough.

That's likely to seriously **** some **** up

Wrex with genophage cure is probably more drama-inducing, he'd lose control of the females and the only thing keeping him in charge (I assume he'll get ripped to shreds). At least Wreav has the respect of the traditionalist Krogan.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:57 .

[Sudsaroo]

 I didn't feel evil picking Morinth on my FemShep...probably cause Samara is a **** too.

Repercussions for picking Morinth? Probably something they'd do. A small one though.

[Seboist]

I have a feeling that the genophage data decision is not even going to matter since ME2 already implies it's irrelevant since Mordin says he didn't teach Maelon everything he knew and could recreate the data without too much trouble.

[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Wrex with genophage cure is probably more drama-inducing, he'd lose control of the females and the only thing keeping him in charge (I assume he'll get ripped to shreds). At least Wreav has the respect of the traditionalist Krogan.

The way I see it is when cure it with Wrex in charge you'll see his system and the krogan fall apart.
But when you cure it with Wreav in charge you're going to see the rest of the galaxy burn.


Honestly though, I cannot fathom why people think curing the genophage is a good idea.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Honestly though, I cannot fathom why people think curing the genophage is a good idea.

Some men just want to watch the world galaxy burn.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Wrex with genophage cure is probably more drama-inducing, he'd lose control of the females and the only thing keeping him in charge (I assume he'll get ripped to shreds). At least Wreav has the respect of the traditionalist Krogan.

The way I see it is when cure it with Wrex in charge you'll see his system and the krogan fall apart.
But when you cure it with Wreav in charge you're going to see the rest of the galaxy burn.


Honestly though, I cannot fathom why people think curing the genophage is a good idea.

My Shepard only kept the data to use it as leverage against the Krogan.

[ddv.rsa]

GodWood wrote...
Honestly though, I cannot fathom why people think curing the genophage is a good idea.

The two most common justifications I've seen are

1) Krogan troops are vital to the war effort
2) The genophage was evil, genocide, etc.

[GodWood]

Seboist wrote...
My Shepard only kept the data to use it as leverage against the Krogan.

You kept some unfinished data that's [apparently] 'years away' from completion to use as leverage against the krogan.

Reasonable.

Actively wanting to cure the genophage though?
That's insane.

[1136342t54_]

I would rather wait a few decades probably more. Wrex's system can work for awhile. Get the Krogan used to a relatively stable Tuchanka with only a few conflicts. Have it a little stuck in their culture and then give then a limited cure by basically giving them a birth rate comparable to Human standards.

Note: I am being a bit optimistic with the time table. It would probably take a few centuries maybe so Krogan culture would be used to a stable Tuchanka.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 27 septembre 2011 - 11:18 .

[ddv.rsa]

@GodWood:

Here's a quote from a conversation I had about morality in ME.

These are completely unjustified. The Genophage was a moral stain on
the Salarians to start with (and I suspect in their heart of hearts)
even the Salarians knew it. From what I gather the Salarians made it as
a *threat* against the Krogan and never imagined the Turians wouldn't
even bother and used it anyway...but that's water under the bridge now.
Not only was the Genophage morally wrong, it was stupid. Without it
the Krogan would have had to come to terms with their overpopulation the
same as other races (and the reason it became a galactic threat was
because of more Salarian meddling in the first place!) Instead they
almost completely destroyed the Krogan (and might have culturally).



As for the Rachni Queen, it's very simple. The Queen is not
responsibl for the sins of her mothers. To kill off an entire species
(which is what killing the queen would mean) from fear of what the
Rachni might do in the future (even if based on what did happens
hundreds of years in the past) is wrong....and it's evil. Simple as
that. In fact it's very much like the mage question which to my mind
isn't grey at all.

The author will remain unnamed. How do you respond?

[GodWood]

1136342t54 wrote...
I would rather wait a few decades probably more. Wrex's system can work for awhile. Get the Krogan used to a relatively stable Tuchanka with only a few conflicts. Have it a little stuck in their culture and then give then a limited cure by basically giving them a birth rate comparable to Human standards.

But why?
The salarians actively manage the genophage from preventing their numbers from getting too low, so it's not like they're on the verge of instinction.

What they need is a good leader and some organization, aka Wrex.

ddv.rsa wrote...
@GodWood:
Here's a quote from a conversation I had about morality in ME.

snip

The author will remain unnamed. How do you respond?

I threw up in my mouth a little

Modifié par GodWood, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:20 .

[Dave of Canada]

1136342t54 wrote...

Have it a little stuck in their culture and then give then a limited cure by basically giving them a birth rate comparable to Human standards.

Isn't that what the genophage already is?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:19 .

[1136342t54_]

GodWood wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...
I would rather wait a few decades probably more. Wrex's system can work for awhile. Get the Krogan used to a relatively stable Tuchanka with only a few conflicts. Have it a little stuck in their culture and then give then a limited cure by basically giving them a birth rate comparable to Human standards.

But why?
The salarians actively manage the genophage from preventing their numbers from getting too low, so it's not like they're on the verge of instinction.

What they need is a good leader and some organization, aka Wrex.

Political reasons. Krogan still are pissed off about the genophage. The Council could give them a limited genophage cure. 

I'm not disagreeing with you. Wrex is a good leader and they really really need someone like him. If he dies and leaves behind a united Tuchanka the Council are going to need to have some relatively okay relations with them. Giving them a limited genophage cure could work in easing some tensions but definitely not all of them.

[1136342t54_]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Isn't that what the genophage already is?

In a way it does. The problem is that it seems to actually kills the young instead of making them utterly incapable of bearing hundreds of kids. Most actually die in still birth. They would actually need a genophage or a cure that just makes it so they can just produce an amount similar to humans or greater than to be sufficient for stable population growth but it eliminates the actual children that die in still birth.

[Dave of Canada]

ddv.rsa wrote...

How do you respond?

Briefly ignoring my hate of the worship of innocence.

Krogan don't deal with overpopulation like everybody else, they are extremely violent and breed extremely quickly to large groups. To suggest they'll get used to the overpopulation is stupid, they'd overwhelm the galaxy with their numbers extremely quickly. The genophage was created to give them "normal" birth rates equal to every other species, the difference is that the Krogan are too busy killing each other to actually grow as a species.

The "it's unfair to judge the Rachni because of the rest of her species" is also odd, Rachni have the memories of their ancestors and the entire species tried to eliminate the galaxy, the Rachni Queen could easily be duping Commander Shepard because she has the exact same memory of every other member of her "family". Unless you firmly believe every other Rachni were somehow "good".