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[Biotic Sage]

D.Kain wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Imagine this:

Imagine a young boy with the same condition.

Mother: I know you want to have sex with girls like other boys, but if you do that they will die.
Boy: oh...ok I guess it would be bad.. a shame. Ok I'm gonna go to the club to hangout woth friends.
Mother: No you won't, there could be sexy girls there.
Boy: ok then I'm gonna go to the pool.
Mother: No you won't, there could be sexy girls there.
Boy: so what? I just want to have fun!
Mother: It's too risky!
Boy: No! I'm going to have fun anyway, like it or not!
Mother: then I will kill you!
Boy: Well screw you! Some love you are showing me..I will survive! Oh and you know what else? I'm gonna have sex with some girls!

We've already been over this.  I have considered it.  You have considered it and I have considered it.  We have reached different conclusions.  Life's not fair for somebody.  In that scenario it's either not going to be fair for that one little boy, or it's not going to be fair for the public at large who is put at risk.

But don't you think that it is better for people to exept risks of other people and be carring as a WHOLE big society towards everyone? Rather then everyone just conserned with their own safety and put down anyone who is potententiolly dangerous without giving them a chance?

Haha Like I said, this is only going to be a circular argument now because we've both heard each other out already, and obviously I don't think it's better to accept risks.  I never said anything about "putting anyone down" though.  Providing a comfortable life for someone is hardly putting them down, you know that's hyperbolic to say.

[D.Kain]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Haha Like I said, this is only going to be a circular argument now because we've both heard each other out already, and obviously I don't think it's better to accept risks.  I never said anything about "putting anyone down" though.  Providing a comfortable life for someone is hardly putting them down, you know that's hyperbolic to say.

Ok, fair enough. I just wanted a clear answer, and I got it now.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Imagine this:

Imagine a young boy with the same condition.

Mother: I know you want to have sex with girls like other boys, but if you do that they will die.
Boy: oh...ok I guess it would be bad.. a shame. Ok I'm gonna go to the club to hangout woth friends.
Mother: No you won't, there could be sexy girls there.
Boy: ok then I'm gonna go to the pool.
Mother: No you won't, there could be sexy girls there.
Boy: so what? I just want to have fun!
Mother: It's too risky!
Boy: No! I'm going to have fun anyway, like it or not!
Mother: then I will kill you!
Boy: Well screw you! Some love you are showing me..I will survive! Oh and you know what else? I'm gonna have sex with some girls!

Good job disproving your defense of Morinth.

Well now we know that we just do not agree on fundamental things. Because I don't think it's disproving.

No you just don't know how you just disproved your point while I do. Nothing fundamental about it.

I'm thinking D.Kain is advocating the murder of innocent people for personal survival/fun.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 septembre 2011 - 02:19 .

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

No you just don't know how you just disproved your point while I do. Nothing fundamental about it.

Indolge me.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm thinking D.Kain is advocating the murder of innocent people for personal survival/fun.

Well you are advocating locking up innocent people for personal survival.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

Well you are advocating locking up innocent people for personal survival.

I'm advocating putting highly dangerous people who can harm many many people into a seclusive area in which they would get all the comforts of a relatively good life that most lower class people probably would never get.  Is it perfect? No but its better than letting loose people who can gain enough power to cause a lot of damage to modern society.

I am glad you admit to supporting the deaths of innocents. By your logic serial killers shouldn't go to jail. They should keep having fun.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 septembre 2011 - 02:38 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

The Asari already lock up the Yakshi people Samara tells you how they're offered a place to live that'll keep them from killing people and they'll be compensated with luxury. Though I have to wonder do they give them drugs or something to stop any withdraw symptoms they may suffer due to not killing? There has to be something that turns bad for them if they don't kill sense murder is the only way for a yakshi to feel high and good. Though yakshi can be an interesting subject I have no desire to visit their sanctuary or whatever they wish to call it to learn more about their condition I've gotten close enough to one I don't need a whole complex of them because this is a game you know that situation won't end well.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 28 septembre 2011 - 02:45 .

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Well you are advocating locking up innocent people for personal survival.

I'm advocating putting highly dangerous people who can harm many many people into a seclusive area in which they would get all the comforts of a relatively good life that most lower class people probably would never get.  Is it perfect? No but its better than letting loose people who can gain enough power to cause a lot of damage to modern society.

I am glad you admit to supporting the deaths of innocents. By your logic serial killers shouldn't go to jail. They should keep having fun.

You are saying that it is ok to live in jail as long as it is a comfortable jail, and that people should be willing to cooporate. Well some people also don't mind dying or commit suicide, but you probably won't agree that is dangerous should be killed, because you wouldn't go through with it. 

Serial killers are not denyed basic human right. 

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm thinking D.Kain is advocating the murder of innocent people for personal survival/fun.

Well you are advocating locking up innocent people for personal survival.

Untrue, we're advocating locking up individuals for the good on the community.

The community is a crappy place if it has to lock up individuals for ''good''.

[Medhia Nox]

Dean_The_Young said that Morinth is just an "amoral nuisance".

However - Samara tells you that she will not interfere with the mission. Even if she wanted to kill you - she would wait until the mission was over.

Morinth makes no such promise. If Morinth wants to eat you during the mission - the "nuisance" becomes the pawn that checks the king and ends Shepard's battle against the Reapers.

Taking on Morinth is a gamble with Shepard's life - with the crew's life - and with the entire universe (if 'she's a serial killing sexual predator' isn't enough)

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EDIT: This one Renegade act - I hope is irreparably punished.

I'd love for Morinth to kill Shepard's love interest during ME 3.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:51 .

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
You are saying that it is ok to live in jail as long as it is a comfortable jail, and that people should be willing to cooporate.

Incorrect I said it isn't perfect.

Well some people also don't mind dying or commit suicide, but you probably won't agree that is dangerous should be killed, because you wouldn't go through with it. 

This sentence is a little incomprehensible. Not getting your point.

Serial killers are not denyed basic human right. 

Serial killers are sent to jail to serve out there term. Some are sentenced to death. 

Ardat Yakshi are sent to live in seclusion not put in prison in the way your  thinking of. What do you think its like? Large mean guards who are ready to violate them if they get out of line? They aren't people like you or I they are incredibly dangerous and should be put in seclusion from the rest of society until there can be a cure for there condition.

Now comparing this to DA mages is interesting but quite different. Mages can willingly use there abilities for good and don't require killing others to become powerful. They would willngly have to becom a blood mage and work with demons. There condition isn't a addiction and 100% lethal to others. While they are dangerous they can be taught to learn there magic and live a rather safe life. The are eve (in most circles) allowed to in some ways rule themselves. Ardat Yakshi are just dangerous overall. Sure putting them in a secluded area which could be a large mansion or a horrible fortress isn't perfect but its better then letting them out. You do remember what many Ardat yakshi used to do in Asari culture right?

[D.Kain]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Dean_The_Young said that Morinth is just an "amoral nuisance".

However - Samara tells you that she will not interfere with the mission. Even if she wanted to kill you - she would wait until the mission was over.

Morinth makes no such promise. If Morinth wants to eat you during the mission - the "nuisance" becomes the pawn that checks the king and ends Shepard's battle against the Reapers.

Taking on Morinth is a gamble with Shepard's life - with the crew's life - and with the entire universe (if 'she's a serial killing sexual predator' isn't enough)

====

EDIT: This one Renegade act - I hope is irreparably punished.

I'd love for Morinth to kill Shepard's love interest during ME 3.

So I should treat people not how I usually do it, jsut because the reapers are attacking? 

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

The community is a crappy place if it has to lock up individuals for ''good''.

Depends on your definition of crappy. It is likely the only 'crappy' thing about it is that the Ardat Yakshi can't leave. Its quite possible the Asari caretakers may provide them a mansion like estate with all the comforts and entertainment of a wealthy person. 

[thatguy212]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'd love for Morinth to kill Shepard's love interest during ME 3.

Can you please explain the logic on how this makes any senses whatsoever, Shepard stops morinth from being killed, so she kills his/her's love interest? Now i can understand some of the other negative consquences people have said such as the asari finding out and will not be so quick to trust shepard or your crew being pissed at you, but to have her kill your love interest for no other reason that to troll people that chose her is just retarded

[1136342t54_]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

It isn't a "crappy" community at all, this is how prisons and jails work: They lock up someone who is deliberately harming people for their own personal gain, for the good of those other people.

That example of prison won't work here since these people are imprisoned for (the very real) possibility they will harm others. They shouldn't be treated as criminals but they should be treated as very very dangerous people.

[ryoldschool]

@ D.Kain I don't know what your problem is. You have been posting for two days here defending serial killers and how society should handle them. Dude, get a clue. Society has to protect itself for the greater good - even at the cost of individual rights sometimes. There are a lot of rights that you could argue, but protecting society from serial killers is not one of them.

[Kileyan]

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

I'm thinking D.Kain is advocating the murder of innocent people for personal survival/fun.

Well you are advocating locking up innocent people for personal survival.

Untrue, we're advocating locking up individuals for the good on the community.

The community is a crappy place if it has to lock up individuals for ''good''.

True, we could be a totally open forgiving community that lets people run wild. Perhaps kill a couple dozen young art students for fun and food.....we wouldn't want to limit their avenue of self expression, even if it is killing 16 year old girls. The alternative would be a crappy place where they lock up dangerous individuals for the safety of others *shudders*

Modifié par Kileyan, 28 septembre 2011 - 03:11 .

[Izhalezan]

Kileyan wrote...

True, we could be a totally open forgiving community that lets people run wild. Perhaps kill a couple dozen young art students for fun and food.....

Sounds fine, they aren't doing anything useful.