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[BlueMagitek]

thatguy212 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I'd love for Morinth to kill Shepard's love interest during ME 3.

Can you please explain the logic on how this makes any senses whatsoever, Shepard stops morinth from being killed, so she kills his/her's love interest? Now i can understand some of the other negative consquences people have said such as the asari finding out and will not be so quick to trust shepard or your crew being pissed at you, but to have her kill your love interest for no other reason that to troll people that chose her is just retarded

I believe the thought is that, if portrayed as an addict should be, Morinth can't help herself and takes someone on board to get her fix.  The LI bit is just to add lemony salt into the wound.

D.Kain wrote..


So I should treat people not how I usually do it, jsut because the reapers are attacking?

If there was ever an excuse for extrenuating circumstances, the arrival of a race that has genocided highly advanced species time and time again would be it.

By the way, while you're here, please explain how Morinth taking over a village and making them worship her as a goddess helps her?  I mean, if her plan is to amass power by melding, why mind **** a village into throwing themselves against Samara?

[Ryzaki]

GodWood wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Better still is what my renegade Shep did. Both of them are dead. 

That was the original plan (kill her in the SM then roleplay it that Shepard stormed in her room and blew her brains out post-SM) but I figured I'd be cutting myself out of some potential drama in ME3.

And I loves me some drama.

Ah drama. Good idea. I'll probably spare Samara on my next renegade playthrough. 

And Wreav with genophage cure spells disaster. 

[D.Kain]

ryoldschool wrote...

@ D.Kain I don't know what your problem is. You have been posting for two days here defending serial killers and how society should handle them. Dude, get a clue. Society has to protect itself for the greater good - even at the cost of individual rights sometimes. There are a lot of rights that you could argue, but protecting society from serial killers is not one of them.

In ME a serial killer was born BECAUSE the society wanted to protect itself. Jails are the denying human righhts too. I do not approve of jails too, never did. You can punish the person or kill the person ( if the crimes are huge ) but putting a person into a jail, denying that person freedom and wasting tax money to feed that person is stupid. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 28 septembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[ryoldschool]

D.Kain wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

@ D.Kain I don't know what your problem is. You have been posting for two days here defending serial killers and how society should handle them. Dude, get a clue. Society has to protect itself for the greater good - even at the cost of individual rights sometimes. There are a lot of rights that you could argue, but protecting society from serial killers is not one of them.

In ME a serial killer was born BECAUSE the society wanted to protect itself. Jails are the denying human righhts too. I do not approve of jails too, never did. You can punish the person or kill the person ( if the crimes are huge ) but putting a person into a jail, denying that person freedom and wasting tax money to feed that person is stupid. 

Well serial killers cannot be "cured", you separate them from society - either by execution or by life in prison without parole.  Personally I have no problem with execution, so maybe we agree there.

your BECAUSE in the above post is ???? 

[D.Kain]

ryoldschool wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

@ D.Kain I don't know what your problem is. You have been posting for two days here defending serial killers and how society should handle them. Dude, get a clue. Society has to protect itself for the greater good - even at the cost of individual rights sometimes. There are a lot of rights that you could argue, but protecting society from serial killers is not one of them.

In ME a serial killer was born BECAUSE the society wanted to protect itself. Jails are the denying human righhts too. I do not approve of jails too, never did. You can punish the person or kill the person ( if the crimes are huge ) but putting a person into a jail, denying that person freedom and wasting tax money to feed that person is stupid. 

Well serial killers cannot be "cured", you separate them from society - either by execution or by life in prison without parole.  Personally I have no problem with execution, so maybe we agree there.

your BECAUSE in the above post is ???? 

The because means that Morinth would probably not kill people if she was given a full life out of seclusion.

[BlueMagitek]

Well that's an incredibly wild assumption right there. >_>

[1136342t54_]

There is no point in arguing with a idiotic sociopath who is perfectly willing to put the lives of many innocent people in danger for the freedoms of highly dangerous people.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That's like saying a crack addict will not take crack if he's allowed to participate in society.

And your line is correct in so many ways! Just think about it more deeply. 

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

There is no point in arguing with a idiotic sociopath who is perfectly willing to put the lives of many innocent people in danger for the freedoms of highly dangerous people.

Yeah I'm willing to put my life in danger for others to not be outcasts. 

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

There is no point in arguing with a idiotic sociopath who is perfectly willing to put the lives of many innocent people in danger for the freedoms of highly dangerous people.

Yeah I'm willing to put my life in danger for others to not be outcasts. 

Good for you then. The problem is no one else is.

[NugatRevolution]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That's like saying a crack addict will not take crack if he's allowed to participate in society.

And your line is correct in so many ways! Just think about it more deeply. 

Alright, let's think.

Normal person. Participant of society. Comes upon crack. Craves it, becomes addicted. Can't control himself, does anything to get his fix. Family tries to intervene, moves him away from his old contacts. He is a participant in society again. However, he is addicted. He falls again, until he decides that nothing will make him take crack again, even if it kills him.

Morinth is a loser who can't give up her fix. Thanks for helping me think, D. Kain.

It's worse than a mere 'fix', seeing as she becomes more powerful with each passing victim.  

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That's like saying a crack addict will not take crack if he's allowed to participate in society.

And your line is correct in so many ways! Just think about it more deeply. 

Alright, let's think.

Normal person. Participant of society. Comes upon crack. Craves it, becomes addicted. Can't control himself, does anything to get his fix. Family tries to intervene, moves him away from his old contacts. He is a participant in society again. However, he is addicted. He falls again, until he decides that nothing will make him take crack again, even if it kills him.

Morinth is a loser who can't give up her fix. Thanks for helping me think, D. Kain.

1) A person that has a great life wouldn't become an addict. 
2) Who said that Morinth can't go on without melding? I already said tht she did that to overpower Samara.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

There is no point in arguing with a idiotic sociopath who is perfectly willing to put the lives of many innocent people in danger for the freedoms of highly dangerous people.

Yeah I'm willing to put my life in danger for others to not be outcasts. 

Good for you then. The problem is no one else is.

Yes, and that is why Morinth needs my Shepard.

[BlueMagitek]

I'm trying to figure out something; what makes Morinth's life so much more valuable than the people that she's killing? You can claim "she's doing it to protect herself", but what makes her life so much more valuable than her victims? Heck, if she's going to go around killing people (or turning them into mindless slaves and throwing them at her enemies), why shouldn't Justicar go after her?

I mean, she doesn't even need to kill those people to survive, yes it is an addiction, but it isn't a necessity like food or water.

Then there's your entire "blame society" argument. Well, while Justicar may be accepted in Asari space and make Asari "fair game" in some twisted view, what about the people outside of it? Morinth's killed more than just Asari, who have no say at all in the Lawful Stupid organization.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm trying to figure out something; what makes Morinth's life so much more valuable than the people that she's killing? You can claim "she's doing it to protect herself", but what makes her life so much more valuable than her victims? Heck, if she's going to go around killing people (or turning them into mindless slaves and throwing them at her enemies), why shouldn't Justicar go after her?

I mean, she doesn't even need to kill those people to survive, yes it is an addiction, but it isn't a necessity like food or water.

Then there's your entire "blame society" argument. Well, while Justicar may be accepted in Asari space and make Asari "fair game" in some twisted view, what about the people outside of it? Morinth's killed more than just Asari, who have no say at all in the Lawful Stupid organization.

But I told you that in my eyes she does that because she is pissed and wants to live. Nothing makes her better than those she kills, but she is not the one responsible of it, the Justcars are. I killed Samara for Nef.

Modifié par D.Kain, 28 septembre 2011 - 05:13 .

[NugatRevolution]

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That's like saying a crack addict will not take crack if he's allowed to participate in society.

And your line is correct in so many ways! Just think about it more deeply. 

Alright, let's think.

Normal person. Participant of society. Comes upon crack. Craves it, becomes addicted. Can't control himself, does anything to get his fix. Family tries to intervene, moves him away from his old contacts. He is a participant in society again. However, he is addicted. He falls again, until he decides that nothing will make him take crack again, even if it kills him.

Morinth is a loser who can't give up her fix. Thanks for helping me think, D. Kain.

1) A person that has a great life wouldn't become an addict. 
2) Who said that Morinth can't go on without melding? I already said tht she did that to overpower Samara.

I've seen plenty of lives, marriages and families ruined by drugs and pornography.  Please, refrain from spouting out complete bullshit like it's fact.

[D.Kain]

NugatRevolution wrote...


I've seen plenty of lives, marriages and families ruined by drugs and pornography.  Please, refrain from spouting out complete bullshit like it's fact.

It's not bullsh*t, it means that those lives weren't that great in the first place.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

1. Not true at all. In fact, people with "everything" often start doing something like that for the little extra "thrill," and it grabs a hold of them and won't let go.

2. The fact that her need to meld is what CAUSED Samara to find her. The galaxy is an enormous place. There's no doubt she could get lost in it. But why hasn't she? There's only one reason. She feeds her need to kill.

1) Who are these people with everything that you are talking about? 

2) Because she was already an outcast, because she was young and the addiction was ofcourse there. I'm talking about how it started.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm trying to figure out something; what makes Morinth's life so much more valuable than the people that she's killing? You can claim "she's doing it to protect herself", but what makes her life so much more valuable than her victims? Heck, if she's going to go around killing people (or turning them into mindless slaves and throwing them at her enemies), why shouldn't Justicar go after her?

I mean, she doesn't even need to kill those people to survive, yes it is an addiction, but it isn't a necessity like food or water.

Then there's your entire "blame society" argument. Well, while Justicar may be accepted in Asari space and make Asari "fair game" in some twisted view, what about the people outside of it? Morinth's killed more than just Asari, who have no say at all in the Lawful Stupid organization.

But I told you that in my eyes she does that because she is pissed and wants to live. Nothing makes her better than those she kills, but she is not the one responsible of it, the Justcars are. I killed Samara for Nef.

But Samara isn't forcing Morinth to kill anyone.  She isn't forcing her to enslave a village of Asari or forcing her to enjoy the "hunt" of her prey.  All Samara is doing is forcing Morinth to run. 

And once again you avoid the questions; why is Morinth's life so much more important than everyone elses?  Why did she coerce a village of Asari to her will? 

In fact, if all Morinth has to do is gather power by mind melding, why does she hunt at all?  She gets a power boost with each mind meld, heading out to a world or even a city full of crime & poverty she could rack up power very quickly and not be noticed if she shot the body afterwards.  That'd give her more than enough power to take on her mother, wouldn't it?  But I'll answer my own question; she hunts because she enjoys it.  She doesn't do it for the power boost, she does it for the rush, for the staving off of her addiction.  And do you know what?  She'd be doing it even if Justicar didn't exist. 

[Kileyan]

D.Kain wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

@ D.Kain I don't know what your problem is. You have been posting for two days here defending serial killers and how society should handle them. Dude, get a clue. Society has to protect itself for the greater good - even at the cost of individual rights sometimes. There are a lot of rights that you could argue, but protecting society from serial killers is not one of them.

In ME a serial killer was born BECAUSE the society wanted to protect itself. Jails are the denying human righhts too. I do not approve of jails too, never did. You can punish the person or kill the person ( if the crimes are huge ) but putting a person into a jail, denying that person freedom and wasting tax money to feed that person is stupid. 

Well serial killers cannot be "cured", you separate them from society - either by execution or by life in prison without parole.  Personally I have no problem with execution, so maybe we agree there.

your BECAUSE in the above post is ???? 

The because means that Morinth would probably not kill people if she was given a full life out of seclusion.

She kills people because that is what she does. She doesn't kill people because her mommy treated her badly, she doesn't kill people because she is being hunted down by her mommy. She is hunted down because she kills people.

I'm guessing you think Morinth would be a perfect person in society if only we would understand her, and she would never have killed anyone if only her mother would have been a better mother or something?

Dude, she is a killer and has been for several hundred years. She isn't even a merc or a soldier, she is hunting artists and kids. She is hunting your little sister, just because she has some aptitude for playing awesome music on the keyboard.

She is a nasty thing that not only kills people for fun, but kills the brightest and best people when she can.

But yeh, it is only because her mom didn't love her enough, or society didn't give her enough freedom that she does these things.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm trying to figure out something; what makes Morinth's life so much more valuable than the people that she's killing? You can claim "she's doing it to protect herself", but what makes her life so much more valuable than her victims? Heck, if she's going to go around killing people (or turning them into mindless slaves and throwing them at her enemies), why shouldn't Justicar go after her?

I mean, she doesn't even need to kill those people to survive, yes it is an addiction, but it isn't a necessity like food or water.

Then there's your entire "blame society" argument. Well, while Justicar may be accepted in Asari space and make Asari "fair game" in some twisted view, what about the people outside of it? Morinth's killed more than just Asari, who have no say at all in the Lawful Stupid organization.

But I told you that in my eyes she does that because she is pissed and wants to live. Nothing makes her better than those she kills, but she is not the one responsible of it, the Justcars are. I killed Samara for Nef.

But Samara isn't forcing Morinth to kill anyone.  She isn't forcing her to enslave a village of Asari or forcing her to enjoy the "hunt" of her prey.  All Samara is doing is forcing Morinth to run. 

And once again you avoid the questions; why is Morinth's life so much more important than everyone elses?  Why did she coerce a village of Asari to her will? 

In fact, if all Morinth has to do is gather power by mind melding, why does she hunt at all?  She gets a power boost with each mind meld, heading out to a world or even a city full of crime & poverty she could rack up power very quickly and not be noticed if she shot the body afterwards.  That'd give her more than enough power to take on her mother, wouldn't it?  But I'll answer my own question; she hunts because she enjoys it.  She doesn't do it for the power boost, she does it for the rush, for the staving off of her addiction.  And do you know what?  She'd be doing it even if Justicar didn't exist. 

You'd think that in 400 years Morinth has been in a lot of places, including lowtowns with a lot of thugs that she killed.

We will see what Morinth is going to do in ME3, now that Samara is dead. Hopefully no more Justicars will show up, but most likely they will.