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[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you were nice to Morinth, she would either murder you for the thrill, or if you weren't to her tastes, she'd ignore you or use you for something else. 

And I will just going to say that you are wrong. lol

Why would you be special, that's how she treats everyone else, even if their only "crime" is being attracted to her. 

Do you even bother to go through Nef's things and learn about what Morinth did to her? 

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1) She'd murder people no matter what, she's an adict and a sociopath. 
2) No, she wants to keep murdering people for thrills.
3) They want AY's to live in seclusion so that they don't murder people.
4) Wrong, she wanted to keep murdering people.
5) The murdering is her primary goal.

Have you even talked to Morinth? A person you are discribing sound more like Hulk...

We see the trail she leaves behind and the way she uses people. 

And I've talked to her in her apartment before she tries to kill Shep.  She goes on and on about how much she enjoys killing, how much she loves to see the fear in her opponent's eyes, how she "devours" her suitors.  She tells you herself how much of a monster she is if you take off the rose-colored earplugs and listen. 

1) I see only one person dead, that I don't even know enough about. 

But about Morinth: 

1) Shepard is an example of how Morinth also goes after thugs, since I acted like one in the club, punching turiansand being rude to krogan.
2) I believe she was talking about Samara a couple of times and not people that she kills.
3) But yes, she enjoys becoming stronger and she enjoys melding. It brings her closer to goal. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 28 septembre 2011 - 07:14 .

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Why would you be special, that's how she treats everyone else, even if their only "crime" is being attracted to her. 

Do you even bother to go through Nef's things and learn about what Morinth did to her? 

Yeah, Nef acted like a hypnotised mindless person. I acted out of my own free will. That's what makes me special.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1) She'd murder people no matter what, she's an adict and a sociopath. 
2) No, she wants to keep murdering people for thrills.
3) They want AY's to live in seclusion so that they don't murder people.
4) Wrong, she wanted to keep murdering people.
5) The murdering is her primary goal.

Have you even talked to Morinth? A person you are discribing sound more like Hulk...

We see the trail she leaves behind and the way she uses people. 

And I've talked to her in her apartment before she tries to kill Shep.  She goes on and on about how much she enjoys killing, how much she loves to see the fear in her opponent's eyes, how she "devours" her suitors.  She tells you herself how much of a monster she is if you take off the rose-colored earplugs and listen. 

1) I see only one person dead, that I don't even know enough about. 

But about Morinth: 

1) Shepard is an example of how Morinth also goes after thugs, since I acted like one in the club, punching turiansand being rude to krogan.
2) She believe she was talking about Samara a couple of times and not people that she kills.
3) But yes, she enjoys becoming stronger and she enjoys melding. It brings her closer to goal. 

1) It's possible to get Morinth's attention in the club without being a "thug".  Your choices in the playthrough aren't all the available choices.

2) She was talking about her past victims, people she's killed in duels, etc.

3) her goal is to keep melding with and thus murdering people, so that she can become stronger, so that she can keep melding/murdering, so that... 

And there's still Nef, the girl who was going to be a great artist, get both herself and her mother off Omega, etc.  Instead, Morinth murdered her for the thrill. 

[BatmanPWNS]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Why would you be special, that's how she treats everyone else, even if their only "crime" is being attracted to her. 

Do you even bother to go through Nef's things and learn about what Morinth did to her? 

Yeah, Nef acted like a hypnotised mindless person. I acted out of my own free will. That's what makes me special.

So you filled out your paragon/regenade bar basically?

[RhiPanda]

D.Kain wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

You know what would be a really bad reason for killing Samara and taking Morinth?
Who is gonna trust Shep after she kills somebody commited to their cause and replaces her with a serial killer? Everyone on your team is gonna be mistrustful of Shep after that, not to mention the Asari for killing a Justicar who are highly respected among them.

Why would they? Maybe if I treated them bad yes, but I completed all of their loyalty missions. It's not like they were BFF with Samara.

Well if Shep could kill one member of the team and replace her with someone she thought was "better" who's to say she wouldn't do it with any of the other members?
Most people would not be happy about sharing the Normandy with a serial killer especially if Shep killed one of their own to make room for them.
Also losing the support of the Asari would not be a good move in the long run

[Seboist]

Nobody on the crew gives a damn about Samara besides maybe Jacob and Kelly. Which makes Morinth having to disguise herself as her all the more ridiculous.

Come to think of it, nobody gives a damn if Shepard deliberately kills Wrex or Zaeed either.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Kasumi evidently takes the time to have conversations with her.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

1) It's possible to get Morinth's attention in the club without being a "thug".  Your choices in the playthrough aren't all the available choices.

2) She was talking about her past victims, people she's killed in duels, etc.

3) her goal is to keep melding with and thus murdering people, so that she can become stronger, so that she can keep melding/murdering, so that... 

And there's still Nef, the girl who was going to be a great artist, get both herself and her mother off Omega, etc.  Instead, Morinth murdered her for the thrill. 

Look I just don't believe that Morinth's motives are just melding and getting high. She doesn't seem like that kind of person to me from her diologues.

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

Well if Shep could kill one member of the team and replace her with someone she thought was "better" who's to say she wouldn't do it with any of the other members?
Most people would not be happy about sharing the Normandy with a serial killer especially if Shep killed one of their own to make room for them.
Also losing the support of the Asari would not be a good move in the long run

My actions say that, my actions towards them. I have different relationships with different people. I act x towards one person it doesn't mean I will act the same towards a different person. 
I can't see them pissed a lot seing as the whole crew is built out of outlaws, mercs, xenophobes, assasins and crazy.
Loosing support of the asari is a better point. though i don't think that I want to support asari myself after cases like Morinth.

[D.Kain]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Why would you be special, that's how she treats everyone else, even if their only "crime" is being attracted to her. 

Do you even bother to go through Nef's things and learn about what Morinth did to her? 

Yeah, Nef acted like a hypnotised mindless person. I acted out of my own free will. That's what makes me special.

So you filled out your paragon/regenade bar basically?

Well yes. That's how it works? Otherwise you can't get Moritnh. 

[RhiPanda]

You say she murders people to get stronger to be able to face Samara?
Right if she didn't murder people she would never have been found, if she had laid low she could have lived a free life as you say she so desperately wants. So why doesn't she do that?

[RhiPanda]

D.Kain wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Well if Shep could kill one member of the team and replace her with someone she thought was "better" who's to say she wouldn't do it with any of the other members?
Most people would not be happy about sharing the Normandy with a serial killer especially if Shep killed one of their own to make room for them.
Also losing the support of the Asari would not be a good move in the long run

My actions say that, my actions towards them. I have different relationships with different people. I act x towards one person it doesn't mean I will act the same towards a different person. 
I can't see them pissed a lot seing as the whole crew is built out of outlaws, mercs, xenophobes, assasins and crazy.
Loosing support of the asari is a better point. though i don't think that I want to support asari myself after cases like Morinth.

Yeah but you would need the help of the Asari to defend against the reapers. You would need them to work together with Shep

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

You say she murders people to get stronger to be able to face Samara?
Right if she didn't murder people she would never have been found, if she had laid low she could have lived a free life as you say she so desperately wants. So why doesn't she do that?

Wth is the point of living out of seclusion if you are going to lay low?? She wanted to live free, not underground. 

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...


Yeah but you would need the help of the Asari to defend against the reapers. You would need them to work together with Shep

Yes well I hope that they won't find out, there are not so many ties and evidance right now. 
I do agree that it can cause some unpleasant things though. 
Ideally I would want to tell them how they view Morinth case wrong, and maybe if I have a high enough Paragon/Renegade they will probably listen.

[RhiPanda]

So by living free it should be alright for her to kill people?

[Killjoy Cutter]

If Morinth had run and never killed anyone, they never would have found her. She could have had some plastic surgery, found a quiet planet, and lived their for 1000 years undisturbed.

But she didn't do that. She kept murdering people. She's a remorseless, compulsive predator.

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

So by living free it should be alright for her to kill people?

By being hunted by Samara and fightning for life it is understandable. Since for Morinth living free = being hunted.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If Morinth had run and never killed anyone, they never would have found her. She could have had some plastic surgery, found a quiet planet, and lived their for 1000 years undisturbed.

But she didn't do that. She kept murdering people. She's a remorseless, compulsive predator.

You hear what I'm saying? Wth is the difference between a quite planet and seclusion? She wanted to be in loud and interesting places.

[RhiPanda]

She was only hunted by Samara because she killed people, so not even having to lay low, just no killing people would have kept her from ebing found by Samara.

[essarr71]

RhiPanda wrote...

She was only hunted by Samara because she killed people, so not even having to lay low, just no killing people would have kept her from ebing found by Samara.

Actually, she's hunted regardless of what she does.  That she DOES kill people just justifies it.

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

She was only hunted by Samara because she killed people, so not even having to lay low, just no killing people would have kept her from ebing found by Samara.

She was given a choice: 1) live in seclusion. 2) die. By not living in seclusion she was hunted, regardless of killing or not. You think Samara has bad ties? Or that she woudn't able to find her in 400 years? And what do you think would happen if Samara found her when she was weak, because she wasn't feeding? She would die.

[D.Kain]

essarr71 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

She was only hunted by Samara because she killed people, so not even having to lay low, just no killing people would have kept her from ebing found by Samara.

Actually, she's hunted regardless of what she does.  That she DOES kill people just justifies it.

It's the outcome of being hunted. lol

[RhiPanda]

Samara wouldn't have found her if she wasn't killing peopple because there would not have been a trail, if she had changed her name and just lived her life without killing Samara most likely would not have found her.

[essarr71]

D.Kain wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

She was only hunted by Samara because she killed people, so not even having to lay low, just no killing people would have kept her from ebing found by Samara.

She was given a choice: 1) live in seclusion. 2) die. By not living in seclusion she was hunted, regardless of killing or not. You think Samara has bad ties? Or that she woudn't able to find her in 400 years? And what do you think would happen if Samara found her when she was weak, because she wasn't feeding? She would die.

D,

you've been struggling, admirally, against the logic for a long time now.  I think a lot of your points would hold more weight if Morinth showed some indication that she wasn't a monster.  Regardless of who she is, what her motivations are, or her intentions, she's a cold-blooded killer... and, frankly, the only crew member who can kill Shepard.  That should say something.

Do we know the gritty details of her entire backstory? no.  But we do know her kinds history, we have Samara's testimonies, and we have the Nev diaries and Aria's accounts.  Your arguments are based on assumptions you've admitted to have gathered on your own.

Willingly or not, she shouldn't be allowed to roam the universe depriving teenage girls of fun nights out at clubs.  You're pretty much siding with a serial killer because the alternative for them is living a long life alone.