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[Killjoy Cutter]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

She's the one who suggested it in the first place.  She was smiling.  She did it.  All of that equals: she wanted to mindf*ck Shepard.

If you are referring to the one counter-evidence where she asks, "Are you sure?"  you are mistaking the game designers giving the player one last chance to back out from certain death with Morinth being hesitant and reluctant to go through with the mindf*cking.

I've watched that video too many times. Here's how it goes: 

1) Moritnh melds with Shepard.
2) It is pleasurable and when it ends with her smile, as if asking: So how was it? 
3) Then Shepard dies, and it shows her back, with her hand falling down. 
4) At that moment her smile can might as well fly away, and she thinks something like: Not even you...

You are literally grasping for straws here. That is the weakest evidence you have ever put up. I don't think it is even evidence but I'll check the vid.

I just watched it again. 

Wow, you really have to be determined to make a saint out of a demon to see anything but Morinth tricking Shep into death by snu-shu in that scene. 

[silentassassin264]

1136342t54 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
Yeah she knew what running would involve but she also knew it was her only chance at freedom and she was selfish enough to count her freedom as worth it but consider the plight of her sisters that did submit from LotSB.  The only person in the galaxy that bothered to talk to them was Samara so they were separated from everything else and when Samara was off doing something it left them alone and isolated in a prison.  Keep in mind that Asari can live for 1000 years.  Near one thousand years in a freaking prison with only one lifeline (who when she dies, you are screwed) for no reason than you were born the wrong way.  Morinth was weighing life on the run as a serial killer versus that horrible life. 

You are making a lot of assumptions on how this 'prison' is like. What do you think they are put in padded room cells or something? It is highly unlikely especially for the Asari. It is quite possible they are put in a fairly large but very very secure house with all the comforts of a middle class life with just no real contact with the outside world. Sure its a bad life but I rather have them there then out killing people. Plus it still doesn't justify Morinth killing others and if you even support that then you have twisted or confused set of ethics.

It doesn't matter how fancy a prison is if you have no freedom.  Samara says as much as they would be treated comfortable in said prison so it is not any padded cells or Purgatory but it still is not freedom.  And you act like that is those are the only options.  They could instead be normal and let them live normal lives and if they do kill someone by mind melding when they know they are Ardat-Yakshi, arrest them, and execute them.  Pre-emptively punishing someone for possible future crimes is BS. 

Secondly, no one is trying to justify Morinth.  My first post here I said that they made Morinth a monster and she ran with it.  She is an evil sociopath.  She is just a sociopathic killer that forced into that role and that garners my sympathy even if she is evil.

[Killjoy Cutter]

"Critical Mission Failure."

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

There is no point in arguing with D.Kain anymore. His only evidence for Morinth believing shepard would live is her hand moving slightly away.

Well that and the fact that she was fightning for her survival all ths time not to DIE on Normandy. Which would right after Shepards death. That would be a stupid suicide move.

[essarr71]

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
  It isn't rocket science to figure out why she picked the option she did. 

Exactly.  She knew exactly what she would need to do.. kill people.  So instead of living a long life in whatever made up conditions you feel to make truth to justify your position, she chose killing an innocent to avoid it.

For all we know Morinths sisters are productive Asari, content in their life knowing they're dangerous without the help her people afford her, even knowing how dangerous they can be.  But hey, cling to the idea theyre locked in a tower by themselves, guarded by a dragon and waiting for a prince shepard to save them.. they'll keep waiting, he's busy saving other people from, you know, killers.

She chose to become a criminal to avoid going to prison for one thousand years.

Secondly, it doesn't matter how productive Morinth's sisters are, they are not free.  They cannot travel anywhere.  They can't go talk to friends if they want to.  In fact, they don't even have any friends as evidence by the LotSB dossier.  Their lives suck and Morinth wanted to avoid that and she has just enough sociopathy to sacrifice hundreds of people to do it. 

Right.. the same dossier that has Samara's other daughters tell her to get Morinth, despite their desire to continue to see their mother.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalSea wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EVERYBODY 

You like, Mr. Biotic Sage just think that it ok to lock potentialy dangerous people up for your safety. 
The asari think the same. Morinth's sisters think the same. 
I do not believe that, Morinth does not believe that, some others do not believe that. 
And everything else that happened is the result of that different perspective.

"We believe you believe it, but that doesn't make it true."

I don't get what you are saying in that sentence. ( English isn't first language.  ) 
You believe that I believe what I believe but I really don't??? 

We believe that you believe what Morinth believes but that doesn't mean that everyone needs to believe what a minority of people believe.

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...
It doesn't matter how fancy a prison is if you have no freedom.  Samara says as much as they would be treated comfortable in said prison so it is not any padded cells or Purgatory but it still is not freedom.  And you act like that is those are the only options.  They could instead be normal and let them live normal lives and if they do kill someone by mind melding when they know they are Ardat-Yakshi, arrest them, and execute them.  Pre-emptively punishing someone for possible future crimes is BS.  

Secondly, no one is trying to justify Morinth.  My first post here I said that they made Morinth a monster and she ran with it.  She is an evil sociopath.  She is just a sociopathic killer that forced into that role and that garners my sympathy even if she is evil.

Do you think it is that easy to kill a Ardat Yakshi? It was heard for them to get at very very young Morinth. Think about a 400 year old Asari who gives in to temptation. No police is going to be able to catch a Ardat Yakshi at all. If you think that then you must think the Asari have the most badass police in the galaxy. The law can't contain a Ardat Yakshi that is why they send Justicars after them.

[essarr71]

D.Kain wrote...

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

Haha.. keep twisting it D.  We're against Morinth, who IS dangerous.  Can't see any posts about how ALL ardat need to be executed no matter what.  

Modifié par essarr71, 28 septembre 2011 - 09:05 .

[D.Kain]

Hehe, I'm not alone at my point in this thread anymore.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

You don't give a **** for the majority of people who want to live. You woul literally support someone like Morinth murdering an entire family for a small power boost.

[D.Kain]

essarr71 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

Haha.. keep twisting it D.  We're against Morinth, who IS dangerous.  Can't see any posts about how ALL ardat need to keep executed no matter what.  

You made Morinth dangerous. Other AY just agreed to live far away from you in a comfortable prison, that's why you don't have a problem with them. 

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

You don't give a **** for the majority of people who want to live. You woul literally support someone like Morinth murdering an entire family for a small power boost.

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

[RhiPanda]

Isn't Morinth immediately killing people when she runs away proof that locking up AY is actually the best thing to do? She kinda proves that letting them live free is dangerous.

[silentassassin264]

1136342t54 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
It doesn't matter how fancy a prison is if you have no freedom.  Samara says as much as they would be treated comfortable in said prison so it is not any padded cells or Purgatory but it still is not freedom.  And you act like that is those are the only options.  They could instead be normal and let them live normal lives and if they do kill someone by mind melding when they know they are Ardat-Yakshi, arrest them, and execute them.  Pre-emptively punishing someone for possible future crimes is BS.  

Secondly, no one is trying to justify Morinth.  My first post here I said that they made Morinth a monster and she ran with it.  She is an evil sociopath.  She is just a sociopathic killer that forced into that role and that garners my sympathy even if she is evil.

Do you think it is that easy to kill a Ardat Yakshi? It was heard for them to get at very very young Morinth. Think about a 400 year old Asari who gives in to temptation. No police is going to be able to catch a Ardat Yakshi at all. If you think that then you must think the Asari have the most badass police in the galaxy. The law can't contain a Ardat Yakshi that is why they send Justicars after them.

It was hard to catch Morinth because Morinth was smart.  Samara and Morinth will tell you that it was more or less her criminal mastermind nature that got her off Thessia and her descent into darkness not her biotic power.  The power an Ardat-Yakshi has is commulative of all the brains fried.  If a 400 year old Ardat-Yakshi gives in she would only be slightly stronger unless she escapes and mass murders for a couple hundred years.  You have a critical point failure here.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

I'm going to literally bring this post up any time you even try to defend Morinth. Keep it up retard.

You just said that everyone who wants to live deserves to die for wishes of a serial killer. Now you are either delusional or trolling. Probably both. Move along here people nothing to see here.

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

Isn't Morinth immediately killing people when she runs away proof that locking up AY is actually the best thing to do? She kinda proves that letting them live free is dangerous.

Short answer: No it isn't

Long answer: For God's sakes, punish people AFTER they did something not BEFORE! Tell Morinth to live in seclusion or die AFTER she knows about her condition and is allowed to live in society and kills people.

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...

It was hard to catch Morinth because Morinth was smart.  Samara and Morinth will tell you that it was more or less her criminal mastermind nature that got her off Thessia and her descent into darkness not her biotic power.  The power an Ardat-Yakshi has is commulative of all the brains fried.  If a 400 year old Ardat-Yakshi gives in she would only be slightly stronger unless she escapes and mass murders for a couple hundred years.  You have a critical point failure here.

Oh yeah she was definitely a mastermind alright. Samara never said anything even remotely like that. Even Morinth didn't mention her escape. Samara was proud of her for escaping and thought it was impressive that she was so young when she did it but she didn'teven hint it was something masterful at all.

[RhiPanda]

D.Kain wrote...

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

Seriously?
I take it you believe that people who want to lock up serial killers in real life deserve to die if that serial killer ever escapes?
Seeing as they brought it on themselves?

[1136342t54_]

RhiPanda wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

Seriously?
I take it you believe that people who want to lock up serial killers in real life deserve to die if that serial killer ever escapes?
Seeing as they brought it on themselves?

Don't take Kain seriously. This is the same person who basically says anyone who wants to live is responsible for Serial killers need to kill.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

I'm going to literally bring this post up any time you even try to defend Morinth. Keep it up retard.

You just said that everyone who wants to live deserves to die for wishes of a serial killer. Now you are either delusional or trolling. Probably both. Move along here people nothing to see here.

I think you just read what you want to read instead of what i written. That is not what I said. They should just treat everyone the same, regardless of if they are potentially dangerous or not.

[silentassassin264]

RhiPanda wrote...

Isn't Morinth immediately killing people when she runs away proof that locking up AY is actually the best thing to do? She kinda proves that letting them live free is dangerous.

That is rather circular logic.  You try to kill her because she ran away.  She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.   Therefore all Ardat-Yakshi should be locked up because they will kill people if they run away.   Which leaves out the gigantic gaping hole of logic that if they were allowed to go free and punished for killing someone if she happened to kill someone like a normal person instead of imprisoning her so she can't kill someone, they might not go on that killing rampage.

[D.Kain]

RhiPanda wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

Seriously?
I take it you believe that people who want to lock up serial killers in real life deserve to die if that serial killer ever escapes?
Seeing as they brought it on themselves?

People who want to lock up an inoccent person that didn't yet kill anyone, just because they THINK that he is going to be a serial killer.

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Isn't Morinth immediately killing people when she runs away proof that locking up AY is actually the best thing to do? She kinda proves that letting them live free is dangerous.

That is rather circular logic.  You try to kill her because she ran away.  She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.   Therefore all Ardat-Yakshi should be locked up because they will kill people if they run away.   Which leaves out the gigantic gaping hole of logic that if they were allowed to go free and punished for killing someone if she happened to kill someone like a normal person instead of imprisoning her so she can't kill someone, they might not go on that killing rampage.

No it isn't thats logic period. She ran away and killed someone. Morinth broke the law and proved her addiction. Morinth will keep killing many many people and become more powerful. History shows most Ardat Yakshi commited atrocities for the sake of their addiction.


Conclusion: she must be destroyed.

Edit: They lock up Ardat Yakshi so they won't kill people. Samara heavily implied that Morinth melded with someone to escape.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 septembre 2011 - 09:14 .