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[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

Seriously?
I take it you believe that people who want to lock up serial killers in real life deserve to die if that serial killer ever escapes?
Seeing as they brought it on themselves?

Don't take Kain seriously. This is the same person who basically says anyone who wants to live is responsible for Serial killers need to kill.

That is such a retarded comment. 
You basically asume that serial killers are born and not made.

[silentassassin264]

1136342t54 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

It was hard to catch Morinth because Morinth was smart.  Samara and Morinth will tell you that it was more or less her criminal mastermind nature that got her off Thessia and her descent into darkness not her biotic power.  The power an Ardat-Yakshi has is commulative of all the brains fried.  If a 400 year old Ardat-Yakshi gives in she would only be slightly stronger unless she escapes and mass murders for a couple hundred years.  You have a critical point failure here.

Oh yeah she was definitely a mastermind alright. Samara never said anything even remotely like that. Even Morinth didn't mention her escape. Samara was proud of her for escaping and thought it was impressive that she was so young when she did it but she didn'teven hint it was something masterful at all.

Samara specifically says Morinth was the smartest and best of her daughters after killing her and Morinth specifically says she escaped Thessia by pretending to be Samara not be killing everyone to escape.  You have no clue what you are talking about so I am just going to stop debating because it is like trying to convince Ash on Horizon.

[RhiPanda]

silentassassin264 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Isn't Morinth immediately killing people when she runs away proof that locking up AY is actually the best thing to do? She kinda proves that letting them live free is dangerous.

That is rather circular logic.  You try to kill her because she ran away.  She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.   Therefore all Ardat-Yakshi should be locked up because they will kill people if they run away.   Which leaves out the gigantic gaping hole of logic that if they were allowed to go free and punished for killing someone if she happened to kill someone like a normal person instead of imprisoning her so she can't kill someone, they might not go on that killing rampage.

She kills people because she is addicted to it, not because it's going to help her to become strong enough to defend herself.
As I have said before, if she had never killed anyone it would have been a lot harder to find her so she would never have to make herself stronger because she wouldn't be leaving a trail to follow.

[essarr71]

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

Modifié par essarr71, 28 septembre 2011 - 09:15 .

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...
Samara specifically says Morinth was the smartest and best of her daughters after killing her and Morinth specifically says she escaped Thessia by pretending to be Samara not be killing everyone to escape.  You have no clue what you are talking about so I am just going to stop debating because it is like trying to convince Ash on Horizon.

Says the person who sees Morinth killing hundreds of innocents heavily justified.  I'm not denying Morinth isn't smart you are denying that Ardat yakshi are more dangerous than normal people .

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 septembre 2011 - 09:16 .

[D.Kain]

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[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

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Keep on trolling

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

This is kind of getting ridiculous. It's obvious D.Kain is SEVERELY misinformed or trolling (most likely the second one) yet people keep trying to debate with him. Just stop, you're wasting your time.

I'm mostly debating with Silent assassin but I am slowly seeing that this person could possibly be trolling.

[D.Kain]

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

Because there are no people that couldn't defeat any addictions within themselves. Not to mention not starting at all.

[silentassassin264]

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

[essarr71]

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Right.. whats the result of that for the partner in that?  I keep forgetting.

[D.Kain]

Ok I'm going to walk out this thread myself. You will never see another one of my posts here. Keep thinking that I'm trolling, or that I am an idiot. This argument IS like talking to a wall.

WE DON"T AGREE ON BASIC LIFE CONCEPTS. I understand your point, I just don't agree, you on the other hand don't even understand.

Have fun.

Modifié par D.Kain, 28 septembre 2011 - 09:21 .

[RhiPanda]

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Yes but to get that power she gets from melding she needs to kill, so, not really seeing your point here.

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...
She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic.  

There is no difference. Stop suger coating it she is addicted to killing. When she meld with people she kills them period.

Morinth never had to kill. You even proved it by saying she was intelligent enough to leave Thessia. Morinth doesn't have to constantly kill. Her killing is what leads Samara to her case closed.

[silentassassin264]

RhiPanda wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Yes but to get that power she gets from melding she needs to kill, so, not really seeing your point here.

Motive makes a hell of a difference.  Your casual dismission of it makes you a lousy judge...or a brilliant prosecutor (silver lining).   You view of it is acting like Morinth just wanted to go a killing spree when she was released and is some sort of thrill killer getting off to making people's heads asplode.   Your version of the story has no mitigating circumstance just so you can put everything else out of mind and out of sight and execute black and white morality.  This situation is not black and white.  There are shades of gray that you are willfully ignoring.

[RhiPanda]

So I am a lousy judge if I think that it is wrong for Morinth to kill people to get a "fix"?
I see what is wrong with locking innocent people up but I do not see any shades of grey in murdering innocent people because of an addiction.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Lol, that's fair. I don't think I can really judge people for not being carring for other people with different genetics, just because they are POTENTIALY dangerous. 

You don't give a **** for the majority of people who want to live. You woul literally support someone like Morinth murdering an entire family for a small power boost.

Because people who want to live brought it on them selves! They are responsible.

By that logic, the Justicar have every right to hunt and kill Morinth.

She wants to live, thereby bringing it on herself.  She is responsible for the Justicar chasing after her.

And you have yet to respond to my last reply.

Alright, so what are we doing now?  Something about Morinth not being addicted to killing?

AY feel compelled to mate.  Everytime they do, the feeling becomes stronger.  When they mate, they kill people.  Morinth may not be addicted to killing or violence, but she does murder people to feed her addiction.

[1136342t54_]

silentassassin264 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Yes but to get that power she gets from melding she needs to kill, so, not really seeing your point here.

Motive makes a hell of a difference.  Your casual dismission of it makes you a lousy judge...or a brilliant prosecutor (silver lining).   You view of it is acting like Morinth just wanted to go a killing spree when she was released and is some sort of thrill killer getting off to making people's heads asplode.   Your version of the story has no mitigating circumstance just so you can put everything else out of mind and out of sight and execute black and white morality.  This situation is not black and white.  There are shades of gray that you are willfully ignoring.

I love how you are attempting to question how the poster is judging the situation without necessarily answering the question in a straight forward manner. Morinth kills because melding for her is a highly addictive and genetic condition. Samara literally said Morinth can't stop nor won't stop. This isn't a drug like addiction this is something that a person cannot stop period Morinth possibly at some point in her life wanted to stop but now she embraces it to the point where she chooses her victims with great care. They are usually the most innocent, talented and isolated individuals. That is the markings of a predator. 

There is shades of grey but it doesn't mean what Morinth did or is doing is right in anyway. The Asari are correct to take precautions. Not becaus Ardat Yakshi are naturally evil but they easily can be. Arday Yakshi aren't people like you or I that is a simple fact. When a normal person commits a crime they usually don't get stronger, faster and smarter after it. Ardat Yakshi do and it makes them that much more difficult to kill them.

[essarr71]

silentassassin264 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Yes but to get that power she gets from melding she needs to kill, so, not really seeing your point here.

Motive makes a hell of a difference.  Your casual dismission of it makes you a lousy judge...or a brilliant prosecutor (silver lining).   You view of it is acting like Morinth just wanted to go a killing spree when she was released and is some sort of thrill killer getting off to making people's heads asplode.   Your version of the story has no mitigating circumstance just so you can put everything else out of mind and out of sight and execute black and white morality.  This situation is not black and white.  There are shades of gray that you are willfully ignoring.

Think people would be more inclined to discuss that aspect of Morinths tale if some people werent so easily dismissive of the fact that her choice included killing hundreds of innocents and enslaving entire towns to her will.  I'm all for the radical taking a stand for their freedom or beliefs, but you seem ok with the notion that this is perfectly fine if it means killing people who have nothing to do with the plight.

If Morinth only killed those after her, sure.. i can understand.  If they showed or explained how she degraded into a monster and not just a killer, were with ya.  Did she seek help for her problem?  Did she try to not kill?  It's all your own silver-lining.  If there was evidence to help support your point of view, this thread would look different.

Your arguments are based on assumptions, as noble as they are, but theres a pointed difference when talking about ALL AY, and Morinth.  What we know of Morinth in ME2 is the point here.. and at that point, she's a murderer who has done horrible things and will stop at nothing.  Maybe if we met Morinth not long after her escape it's a different scenario, but there is no Darth Vader like redemption for Morinth.. only the hunt and trying to flee so she can maintain the lifestyle.

So keep calling people out for being obtuse and unreasonable to your point of view.  The fact is youre wrong about Morinth, but maybe not AY, you just fail to let Morinth be what she is now, a killer.

[Anacronian Stryx]

*next stop for this Trollercoaster is Retardoville*

[silentassassin264]

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...
She has to kill people to become strong enough to defend herself since you are trying to kill her.

You keep bringing this up without refuting the established fact that they're addicted to killing.

She is not addicted to the killing.  She is addicted to the power she gets from melding which she needs to survive being hunted regardless.  The power increase is what is narcotic. 

Yes but to get that power she gets from melding she needs to kill, so, not really seeing your point here.

Motive makes a hell of a difference.  Your casual dismission of it makes you a lousy judge...or a brilliant prosecutor (silver lining).   You view of it is acting like Morinth just wanted to go a killing spree when she was released and is some sort of thrill killer getting off to making people's heads asplode.   Your version of the story has no mitigating circumstance just so you can put everything else out of mind and out of sight and execute black and white morality.  This situation is not black and white.  There are shades of gray that you are willfully ignoring.

Think people would be more inclined to discuss that aspect of Morinths tale if some people werent so easily dismissive of the fact that her choice included killing hundreds of innocents and enslaving entire towns to her will.  I'm all for the radical taking a stand for their freedom or beliefs, but you seem ok with the notion that this is perfectly fine if it means killing people who have nothing to do with the plight.

If Morinth only killed those after her, sure.. i can understand.  If they showed or explained how she degraded into a monster and not just a killer, were with ya.  Did she seek help for her problem?  Did she try to not kill?  It's all your own silver-lining.  If there was evidence to help support your point of view, this thread would look different.

Your arguments are based on assumptions, as noble as they are, but theres a pointed difference when talking about ALL AY, and Morinth.  What we know of Morinth in ME2 is the point here.. and at that point, she's a murderer who has done horrible things and will stop at nothing.  Maybe if we met Morinth not long after her escape it's a different scenario, but there is no Darth Vader like redemption for Morinth.. only the hunt and trying to flee so she can maintain the lifestyle.

So keep calling people out for being obtuse and unreasonable to your point of view.  The fact is youre wrong about Morinth, but maybe not AY, you just fail to let Morinth be what she is now, a killer.

silentassassin264 wrote...

It doesn't matter how fancy a
prison is if you have no freedom.  Samara says as much as they would be
treated comfortable in said prison so it is not any padded cells or
Purgatory but it still is not freedom.  And you act like that is those
are the only options.  They could instead be normal and let them live
normal lives and if they do kill someone by mind melding when they know
they are Ardat-Yakshi, arrest them, and execute them.  Pre-emptively
punishing someone for possible future crimes is BS. 

Secondly,
no one is trying to justify Morinth.  My first post here I said that
they made Morinth a monster and she ran with it.  She is an evil
sociopath.  She is just a sociopathic killer that forced into that role
and that garners my sympathy even if she is evil.

Or maybe you just can't see very well.

[essarr71]

Oh i read it, i also see you keep talking about how Morinth isn't that bad at her core. So cut my some slack please.

[1136342t54_]

You keep saying they made Morinth a monster. That is incorrect she made herself into one by escaping. It was MORINTH'S CHOICE!

[silentassassin264]

I can't cut you any slack if you misrepresent my position. I am not D.Kain. I never said Morinth was innocent as she is quite the contrary. I just disagree with Samara's assessment that Morinth is not a sympathetic case.