3434 réponses à ce sujet

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...
Violence and death is all she has left. Heck, if you look at her mothers back ground you'll see that it a family trait.
It's more of the fact she just enbraces it instead of being in denial about it. Alot of you crew is like this as well.

Samara became a Justicar specifically because she wanted to kill Morinth. Anything before that like her days as a Mercenary its heavily implied many Asari were once mercs at one point of there lives. It isn't a family trait at all. She is a Ardat Yakshi who chose that life for herself because it is to her a preference torwards seclusion.

[Anacronian Stryx]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

Being a victim does not preclude one from being evil; If you do evil acts and take enjoyment from them then you're evil, Ain't really no way around that.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Violence and death is all she has left. Heck, if you look at her mothers back ground you'll see that it a family trait.
It's more of the fact she just enbraces it instead of being in denial about it. Alot of you crew is like this as well.

Samara became a Justicar specifically because she wanted to kill Morinth. Anything before that like her days as a Mercenary its heavily implied many Asari were once mercs at one point of there lives. It isn't a family trait at all. She is a Ardat Yakshi who chose that life for herself because it is to her a preference torwards seclusion.

Not every Asari is a merc in her maden days. Not every Asari is as good a fighter as Samara. But I'm not saying that her liking violence is majorly because it's a family trait... I'm saying she likes violence and death because that all she has left, he family trait is just a minior factor to her liking destroction. It more of a consept brought up in the movie Dr. Stranflove....I said of hiding from the upcoming death and destrution, you can embrace it. All she has left is death and destroction, instead of hating it, she just embraces it. They are members of your crew who are like this as well.

[dreman9999]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

Being a victim does not preclude one from being evil; If you do evil acts and take enjoyment from them then you're evil, Ain't really no way around that.

No, it's more of the fact that even if your a victem, your not immune from the consiquence from your own actions. If a person attacks you  and you knock them out, is it ok to kill them after you restrain them even with police on their way? I'm not saying she is not evil. Just not as evil everyone makes her out to be. Everyone has somedegree of good and evil in them. I'm just saying that she is not in any form it's embodyment.

Modifié par dreman9999, 29 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

dreman9999 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

Being a victim does not preclude one from being evil; If you do evil acts and take enjoyment from them then you're evil, Ain't really no way around that.

No, it more of the fact that even if youra victem, your not immune from the consiquence from your own actions. I'm not saying she is not evil. Just not as evil everyone makes her out to be. Everyone has somedegree of good and evil in them. I'm just saying that she is not in any form it's embodyment.

If you're a junkie and you kill people in order to keep your addiction going then you are F****** evil, Especially when you have an alternative, Morith could have lived in seclusion with sisters but she didn't she chose to feed her addiction on the expense of others, This is the very definition of evil and psychotic behavior.


She's a junkie and her only justification to herself is that she needs another fix..and she's fine with that.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 29 septembre 2011 - 07:26 .

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...

Not every Asari is a merc in her maden days.

Many Asari are and Matriarch Aetheta (I spelled her name wrong) even said that is one of the many things Asari like to do in there Maiden days. Also note I never said every Asari.

Not every Asari is as good a fighter as Samara.

Which likely to years or perhaps a century of training. Remember add in Mercenary training she also went in to Justicar training which had a high fatality rate.

I said of hiding from the upcoming death and destrution, you can embrace it. All she has left is death and destroction, instead of hating it, she just embraces it. They are members of your crew who are like this as well.

Its actually a bit different to be honest. Morinth specifically chose the life (not unsimilar to maybe Zaeed) but her condition makes her far more adept at it and enjoy it far more than anything. She has utterly no remorse for her actions or limits. Jack maybe a psychopath but even she has some limits regarding whats wrong or not. Zaeed's limits depends on how much he is payed but he isn't in the game of mind rape. He just kills for money. Grunt fights opponents who are worthy enemies and tries to kill him. Grunt may be remorseles but it is too his enemies mostly.

Morinth is sadly an entirely different creature when it comes to killing period. She can be compared to a top tier predator and the rest of us are her food. Why would the predator fill remorse for food?

[EternalSea]

To actually get on topic: Yes.

I wouldn't be surprised if this damages the trust factor for your crew. I'd imagine Garrus (or a renegade inspired one at that) to try and kill her when he gets the chance.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Not every Asari is a merc in her maden days.

Many Asari are and Matriarch Aetheta (I spelled her name wrong) even said that is one of the many things Asari like to do in there Maiden days. Also note I never said every Asari.

Not every Asari is as good a fighter as Samara.

Which likely to years or perhaps a century of training. Remember add in Mercenary training she also went in to Justicar training which had a high fatality rate.

I said of hiding from the upcoming death and destrution, you can embrace it. All she has left is death and destroction, instead of hating it, she just embraces it. They are members of your crew who are like this as well.

Its actually a bit different to be honest. Morinth specifically chose the life (not unsimilar to maybe Zaeed) but her condition makes her far more adept at it and enjoy it far more than anything. She has utterly no remorse for her actions or limits. Jack maybe a psychopath but even she has some limits regarding whats wrong or not. Zaeed's limits depends on how much he is payed but he isn't in the game of mind rape. He just kills for money. Grunt fights opponents who are worthy enemies and tries to kill him. Grunt may be remorseles but it is too his enemies mostly.

Morinth is sadly an entirely different creature when it comes to killing period. She can be compared to a top tier predator and the rest of us are her food. Why would the predator fill remorse for food?

1.Matriarch Aethena  was a stripper in her Madien age. I did not say very few Asari are not mercs, just not every asari become mercs, they also do other work.
2.And Samari stated she was very good at fighting in her youth as well.
3. She acts more of a spider waiting for a kill to drop in her net than a tiger hunting for prey. It's not worst or different outside the kill being delayed. It not mindless uncaring torcher, it's calculated courting. She may like voilence but that just base on the fact that and death is  all she has left. Yes, her condition to adept to it, which is the reason she goes face first in to and rides with it. She's  not in denial. She has no remorse because she gave up caring...Caring would just make things worse for her condition.

[1136342t54_]

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

1.Matriarch Aethena  was a stripper in her Madien age.
[/quote]
Facepalm. She clearly states how Asari shouldn't be dancers and Mercs. I never even claimed she was a merc.

[quote] I did not say very few Asari are not mercs, just not every asari become mercs, they also do other work.
[/quote]
I've already stated that I said not every Asari are not mercs twice.

[quote]
2.And Samari stated she was very good at fighting in her youth as well.
[/quote]
Like a few other Asari mercs. It isn't something natural its just training.

[quote[
3. She acts more of a spider waiting for a kill to drop in her net than a tiger hunting for prey.
[/quote]
The Spider is still the predator. There is no specific way how predators operate. They operate in many many different ways there is no define way predators operate. Morinth is a predator.

[quote]It's not worst or different outside the kill being delayed. It not mindless uncaring torcher, it's calculated courting. She may like voilence but that just base on the fact that and death is  all she has left. Yes, her condition to adept to it, which is the reason she goes face first in to and rides with it. She's  not in denial. She has no remorse because she gave up caring...Caring would just make things worse for her condition.[/quote]

Then don't make her akin to many other killers. Morinth in some ways act like a top tier predator in which she kills without mercy nor remorse at all and even believes her self to be superior to her prey. You can say many things about the ME party members but they are not at Morinth's level when it comes to remorseless killing for very primal reasons. The way she kills and the power she gains from it makes her a danger and it makes sense for Asari to seclude them from society for both political and safety reasons.

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequences of murder are?

/end discusion

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 29 septembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 29 septembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[1136342t54_]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequences of murder are?

/end discusion

Nice job ignoring the fact that the poster said he would kill Morinth.

[dreman9999]

[quote]1136342t54 wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

1.Matriarch Aethena  was a stripper in her Madien age.
[/quote]
Facepalm. She clearly states how Asari shouldn't be dancers and Mercs. I never even claimed she was a merc.

[quote] I did not say very few Asari are not mercs, just not every asari become mercs, they also do other work.
[/quote]
I've already stated that I said not every Asari are not mercs twice.

[quote]
2.And Samari stated she was very good at fighting in her youth as well.
[/quote]
Like a few other Asari mercs. It isn't something natural its just training.

[quote[
3. She acts more of a spider waiting for a kill to drop in her net than a tiger hunting for prey.
[/quote]
The Spider is still the predator. There is no specific way how predators operate. They operate in many many different ways there is no define way predators operate. Morinth is a predator.


[quote]It's not worst or different outside the kill being delayed. It not mindless uncaring torcher, it's calculated courting. She may like voilence but that just base on the fact that and death is  all she has left. Yes, her condition to adept to it, which is the reason she goes face first in to and rides with it. She's  not in denial. She has no remorse because she gave up caring...Caring would just make things worse for her condition.[/quote]

Then don't make her akin to many other killers. Morinth in some ways act like a top tier predator in which she kills without mercy nor remorse at all and even believes her self to be superior to her prey. You can say many things about the ME party members but they are not at Morinth's level when it comes to remorseless killing for very primal reasons. The way she kills and the power she gains from it makes her a danger and it makes sense for Asari to seclude them from society for both political and safety reasons.



[/quote]
1. She also clearly tells you the moment she found out that her parents were going to fight each other to the death....She was in her madien stage danicing is somebar as she states it. Again I never stated that alot or Asari are not mercs. Just that alot are mercs and stripper and they are many other job that madien have any ways.
2.She was still very good a fighting. I'm just say being a good fight is in Morniths genes.
3.But not that may spiders hunt. They mostly trap layers. That's not a top tier predator. A tiger, and alligator, these are how top tier preditors act...Not a trap laying spider. Now I never said she was not dangerous. In fact, I stated killing her because she is dangerous is the right reason to kill her. I'm just saying she is not as evil as people fell her to be.

[AlexXIV]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

I think I know the consequence of murder. People feel obliged to jump to the murderer's defense because they had a bad childhood? Can I have a cookie now?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 29 septembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[dreman9999]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

You did read what I said. You take about consequences for murder but you neglet toread the part where I said I would kill her my self. I think that's clear to say that I agree with killing her. As for being a murder.....Most of your squad are murders.....Do you think they all should die because they murder?

[dreman9999]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

I think I know the consequence of murder. People feel obliged to jump to the murderer's defense because they had a bad childhood? Can I have a cookie now?

You not understanding. I all up for killing her because she kills people. I'm just say she is not as evil as you make her out to be. She is also a victem. But being a victem does not mean she is immune to punishment. If death is her punishment, so be it. Let not brand her as being totally evil with out trying to understand her. 

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. She also clearly tells you the moment she found out that her parents were going to fight each other to the death....She was in her madien stage danicing is somebar as she states it.

Do you understand what the words "I never claimed she was a dancer?"

Again I never stated that alot or Asari are not mercs. Just that alot are mercs and stripper and they are many other job that madien have any ways.

The point is that being a merc isn't a rare thing for Asari. Many Asari can learn to fight its not necessarily in there genes. Morinth escaped due to intelligence.

2.She was still very good a fighting. I'm just say being a good fight is in Morniths genes.

Morinth is intelligent enough to not fight her mother because she know her mother is more trained than she is.

3.But not that may spiders hunt. They mostly trap layers. That's not a top tier predator. A tiger, and alligator, these are how top tier preditors act...Not a trap laying spider.

Stop ignoring specific things I am saying. Spiders are not top tier predators because they are obviously too weak. Humans are effectively top tier predators simply because we are intelligent enough to lure animals into traps or wear them out. Morinth is an intelligent creature who can lure her opponents and then strike. You don't have to be very physically aggressive to be able to prey on someone. Even crocodiles aren't always like that since they use stealth.

Now I never said she was not dangerous. In fact, I stated killing her because she is dangerous is the right reason to kill her. I'm just saying she is not as evil as people fell her to be.

Morinth can be more evil than other characters simply because she kills and do remorseless act for the kicks and power. Its pleasure for her and in many ways that is seen as far more evil than what others in your party do.

Now I'm leaving this debate for a few hours since I have to go but seriously you are confusing a lot of what I say so please read my posts 

[Killjoy Cutter]

I understand her.

She's evil.

[The Spamming Troll]

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

You did read what I said. You take about consequences for murder but you neglet toread the part where I said I would kill her my self. I think that's clear to say that I agree with killing her. As for being a murder.....Most of your squad are murders.....Do you think they all should die because they murder?

then why are you defending her, if youd kill her for being a murderer?

yes, i think the person who started the blue suns merc group should be hunted by shepard, not asked to join his crew. i would guess jacks murdered as well. yeah, i never asked for these squadmates, i was just given them. which is why i rarely use anyone outside of garrus and my LI.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. She also clearly tells you the moment she found out that her parents were going to fight each other to the death....She was in her madien stage danicing is somebar as she states it.

Do you understand what the words "I never claimed she was a dancer?"

Again I never stated that alot or Asari are not mercs. Just that alot are mercs and stripper and they are many other job that madien have any ways.

The point is that being a merc isn't a rare thing for Asari. Many Asari can learn to fight its not necessarily in there genes. Morinth escaped due to intelligence.

2.She was still very good a fighting. I'm just say being a good fight is in Morniths genes.

Morinth is intelligent enough to not fight her mother because she know her mother is more trained than she is.

3.But not that may spiders hunt. They mostly trap layers. That's not a top tier predator. A tiger, and alligator, these are how top tier preditors act...Not a trap laying spider.

Stop ignoring specific things I am saying. Spiders are not top tier predators because they are obviously too weak. Humans are effectively top tier predators simply because we are intelligent enough to lure animals into traps or wear them out. Morinth is an intelligent creature who can lure her opponents and then strike. You don't have to be very physically aggressive to be able to prey on someone. Even crocodiles aren't always like that since they use stealth.

Now I never said she was not dangerous. In fact, I stated killing her because she is dangerous is the right reason to kill her. I'm just saying she is not as evil as people fell her to be.

Morinth can be more evil than other characters simply because she kills and do remorseless act for the kicks and power. Its pleasure for her and in many ways that is seen as far more evil than what others in your party do.

Now I'm leaving this debate for a few hours since I have to go but seriously you are confusing a lot of what I say so please read my posts 

I hope you can point to these remorseless acts and killing she does for the trill of it. Every kill she does is not because she is doing it for the trill but because of the want to do it. She mostly kills with intimancy with people she likes. If it were killing for the kicks, she would kill many people with many ways out side of havingsex with them. She never bounds someone and tochers them to death, she uses allure and haves sex with them and the sex kills them.It not the act of killing them that getsher off, it's the sex. The only time she under her condition for power was with an alienated village that worshiped her.... She only did it because she just wanted the sex. Outside of that, she steered away from any form of power. She live in the fringes of sociaty, just living for her own pleasures.

The problem is you think she does the thing she do for power and blood lust. She is just doing it for pleasure, the pleasurerof sex and intimacy....Like a drug addict does drugs because of the kick they get from using it. The problem is her pleasure lead tosomeones death because of her condition. It not her who is the killer but her condition. She is not ripping people apart and doing horrible things to them till they die.... It's just her condition kill the person she sleeps with.
Think of it this way, would she be a killer if she did not have her condition?

[dreman9999]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

morinth doesnt deserve to live more then anyone shes previously killed. she deserves to live less.

i wouldnt excuse a serial killer of their murders, for any reason. im not sure why anyone would defend morinths killings. its a little out of touch looking for reaons why morinth is "an alright person."

Who ever said that I did not want Morinth to die? I understand that she need to die but  only because she is too dangerous not evil. I'm just saying that she is not really evil in the sense everyone like you think she is. She's also a victem as well. Give the choice victem or not, I would kill her myself anyway.

morinth murders people, dude.

do you know what the consequence of murder is?

/end discusion

You did read what I said. You take about consequences for murder but you neglet toread the part where I said I would kill her my self. I think that's clear to say that I agree with killing her. As for being a murder.....Most of your squad are murders.....Do you think they all should die because they murder?

then why are you defending her, if youd kill her for being a murderer?

yes, i think the person who started the blue suns merc group should be hunted by shepard, not asked to join his crew. i would guess jacks murdered as well. yeah, i never asked for these squadmates, i was just given them. which is why i rarely use anyone outside of garrus and my LI.

Because I don't like when everyone sees everything so black and white.

[thatguy212]

This thread is still going? thought people would have gotten tired of "she's evil" "no she's not" "yes she is" by now, as for the topic, no, people that chose her shouldn't be punished, just because they made a choice that you don't agree with doesn't mean they should be punished, why does it seem like everyone want people that made a different choice then them to be punished? collector base, rachni queen, council, etc, that's all this thread is, "i think you chose wrong so you must be punished"

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Punished...? Lol, its cause and effect, at most you suffer consequences of previous actions. The people whining, (not necessarily the OP, I don't think s/he's whining per-se,) really need to grow up and drop the pity party act. If you jump off a cliff, is gravity "punishing" you when it smashes you on the ground? No. You're dealing with, again, consequences of you chosen actions. Grow up and take what you get.

Modifié par Gixxer6Rdr, 29 septembre 2011 - 10:45 .

[Medhia Nox]

@dreman9999 -

Everyone... EVERYONE... perceives things in their own version of black and white. I'm so tired of people pretending they don't.

If you saw things from "grey" your ONLY answer would be: "I cannot know." Which - of course, is true - but completely useless when a human needs to be anything but a lump of flesh and actually make decisions and DO something.