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[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...
I hope you can point to these remorseless acts and killing she does for the trill of it.

If you walked around Morinth's room and listen to her she would even admit to it. I'm sure the want for it is an important part of it but now its not about addiction entirely she enjoys it now and you cannot deny that. If you do you are blatantly ignoring ingame information.

She mostly kills with intimancy with people she likes. If it were killing for the kicks, she would kill many people with many ways out side of havingsex with them.

Intimacy gives her pleasure. The fact that she chooses shows she has specific tastes. Its like food. I like food but I like specific types of food better. Morinth has an addictive habit in which anyone could satisfy it but she specifically picks people who would satisfy her more.

She never bounds someone and tochers them to death,

Morinth basically mind rapes people. That may not seem much to you but most would see it as immoral.

she uses allure and haves sex with them and the sex kills them.It not the act of killing them that getsher off, it's the sex.

So? She knows having sex with them kills them. Hell like I said walk around her room. She even talks about she loves games in which the opponent thinks he will win right before he dies. Killing and sex pleases her. You have no evidence to support otherwise and either way both makes her a horrible despicable person that needs to die so there is no point iin arguing over the specifics.

The only time she under her condition for power was with an alienated village that worshiped her.... She only did it because she just wanted the sex. Outside of that, she steered away from any form of power. She live in the fringes of sociaty, just living for her own pleasures.

That village was on the fring of society. Every time she kills she gains power from it. 

Lets say your right if she just does it for the sex. Then in many ways that is far worse. Morinth doesn't do it for any practical benefit she does it for pleasure only (Which is a large part of the reason.). It would make her highly illogical and kill just for the kicks. Yes she does kill for the kicks because her melding kills others and she enjoys it which is something she even states in the game.

The problem is you think she does the thing she do for power and blood lust. She is just doing it for pleasure, the pleasurerof sex and intimacy....Like a drug addict does drugs because of the kick they get from using it.

I have already answered this anyway. She does it because it is addictive and she enjoys both killing and the pleasure. I'd bet the power has something to do with it since she gets stronger, smarter faster.

The problem is her pleasure lead tosomeones death because of her condition. It not her who is the killer but her condition. She is not ripping people apart and doing horrible things to them till they die.... It's just her condition kill the person she sleeps with.
Think of it this way, would she be a killer if she did not have her condition?

False Morinth is killing people. She knows what she is doing. Morinth knew what she was going to do when she ran away and she picked the deaths of hundreds of people over seclusion. No matter how you spin this it was her choice making it her fault period.

Arday Yakshi don't have to kill period if they didn't want to. It would just take extreme measures not to like isolating themselves from society.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 29 septembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

You not understanding. I all up for killing her because she kills people. I'm just say she is not as evil as you make her out to be. She is also a victem. But being a victem does not mean she is immune to punishment. If death is her punishment, so be it. Let not brand her as being totally evil with out trying to understand her. 

She's not a victim of anyone except herself. She chose to indulge her condition, which created the addiction. She did not initially choose to indulge her condition becasue she was born addicted, it doesn't work that way.

She may have gotten a raw deal in the form of her condition, but that doesn't justify her actions by any stretch. The universe isn't always fair, but that doesn't justify taking actions to make it even more unfair than it already is.

Don't get me wrong, I actually love Morinth as a character, but I allso love Hannibal Lecter as a character. They're still both monsters, and the closest thing I've seen for a reason to choose her over Samara is because your completely psychotic Shepard also deserves the Justicar's wrath.

[EternalSea]

Oh, come onnnn! You're all still arguing? Bah...

[SandTrout]

EternalSea wrote...

Oh, come onnnn! You're all still arguing? Bah...

It's fun, some times!

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Wow, lol. Ok, anyone that's played the game and isn't obviously socially stunted understands Morinth kills to increase her power and for the thrill of it. There is absolutely no argument for that, so stop this inane banter. Some people think "mercy killings" are ok, other people are sane. You can't convince a nut or a blockhead, save your energy for something better, like doing anything other than arguing with the worst consecutive spelled I've ever tripped over on the internet. :-)

[Gixxer6Rdr]

Lol, yay lame-assed phone auto-correct. I typed speller, it didn't like that. Also wont let me edit. Avoid the moto-droid at all costs.

[dreman9999]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@dreman9999 -

Everyone... EVERYONE... perceives things in their own version of black and white. I'm so tired of people pretending they don't.

If you saw things from "grey" your ONLY answer would be: "I cannot know." Which - of course, is true - but completely useless when a human needs to be anything but a lump of flesh and actually make decisions and DO something.

I'm not say everyone need to see everything in grey. Just that look at thing with out understanding what the person when through when judging them is very harsh. Basicly, they way I see it is that everyone who calls her evil never tried to think what it's like to be in her shoes with her condition.
How wouldyou act and feel if what happen to Mornith happen to you?
Think of her more as the roman version of Madusa, who was a beutiful woman who was turned in a monster that turns people to stone by her looks because she was raped by Apollo in Athenas temple and Athina has a hissy fit and punished Madusa for it.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I hope you can point to these remorseless acts and killing she does for the trill of it.

If you walked around Morinth's room and listen to her she would even admit to it. I'm sure the want for it is an important part of it but now its not about addiction entirely she enjoys it now and you cannot deny that. If you do you are blatantly ignoring ingame information.

She mostly kills with intimancy with people she likes. If it were killing for the kicks, she would kill many people with many ways out side of havingsex with them.

Intimacy gives her pleasure. The fact that she chooses shows she has specific tastes. Its like food. I like food but I like specific types of food better. Morinth has an addictive habit in which anyone could satisfy it but she specifically picks people who would satisfy her more.

She never bounds someone and tochers them to death,

Morinth basically mind rapes people. That may not seem much to you but most would see it as immoral.

she uses allure and haves sex with them and the sex kills them.It not the act of killing them that getsher off, it's the sex.

So? She knows having sex with them kills them. Hell like I said walk around her room. She even talks about she loves games in which the opponent thinks he will win right before he dies. Killing and sex pleases her. You have no evidence to support otherwise and either way both makes her a horrible despicable person that needs to die so there is no point iin arguing over the specifics.

The only time she under her condition for power was with an alienated village that worshiped her.... She only did it because she just wanted the sex. Outside of that, she steered away from any form of power. She live in the fringes of sociaty, just living for her own pleasures.

That village was on the fring of society. Every time she kills she gains power from it. 

Lets say your right if she just does it for the sex. Then in many ways that is far worse. Morinth doesn't do it for any practical benefit she does it for pleasure only (Which is a large part of the reason.). It would make her highly illogical and kill just for the kicks. Yes she does kill for the kicks because her melding kills others and she enjoys it which is something she even states in the game.

The problem is you think she does the thing she do for power and blood lust. She is just doing it for pleasure, the pleasurerof sex and intimacy....Like a drug addict does drugs because of the kick they get from using it.

I have already answered this anyway. She does it because it is addictive and she enjoys both killing and the pleasure. I'd bet the power has something to do with it since she gets stronger, smarter faster.

The problem is her pleasure lead tosomeones death because of her condition. It not her who is the killer but her condition. She is not ripping people apart and doing horrible things to them till they die.... It's just her condition kill the person she sleeps with.
Think of it this way, would she be a killer if she did not have her condition?

False Morinth is killing people. She knows what she is doing. Morinth knew what she was going to do when she ran away and she picked the deaths of hundreds of people over seclusion. No matter how you spin this it was her choice making it her fault period.

Arday Yakshi don't have to kill period if they didn't want to. It would just take extreme measures not to like isolating themselves from society.

I have.... It not remorseless acts and killing ...It's courting. She tell you
about the people who loved her and die because they had sex with her. Never once
does she say she brutally killed any one for pleasure. Just that she enjoys to
be courted. She love getting her lovers full attention and string them along.
When you meet her, it's you that convinces her you are worth her time. With
serial killers it's the other way around. They want to lure you in to be killed with no want to court you. She wants to play the courting game to see if anything will work in a relationship. She goes to a club, sees someone she like talk with them and if they impress her she starts dating them,It keeps going till they have sex. That's a courting ritual, the only problem with it is that they die in the end. It less that she is a crazy serial killer and more that her crime is criminal neglect. The only thing that is like what she does is went people infected with AIDs knowingly infect someone else with HIV out of spite...
It's just criminal neglect. And this does not make her a better person, she knows she kills people with sex and does it anyway because she is addicted to sex. She is still a horrible person.

[dreman9999]

Gixxer6Rdr wrote...

Wow, lol. Ok, anyone that's played the game and isn't obviously socially stunted understands Morinth kills to increase her power and for the thrill of it. There is absolutely no argument for that, so stop this inane banter. Some people think "mercy killings" are ok, other people are sane. You can't convince a nut or a blockhead, save your energy for something better, like doing anything other than arguing with the worst consecutive spelled I've ever tripped over on the internet. :-)

I'm sorry, did she ever say she was doing it for power? Could you show me evidence she's killing because she wants power?

[dreman9999]

SandTrout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You not understanding. I all up for killing her because she kills people. I'm just say she is not as evil as you make her out to be. She is also a victim. But being a victem does not mean she is immune to punishment. If death is her punishment, so be it. Let not brand her as being totally evil with out trying to understand her. 

She's not a victim of anyone except herself. She chose to indulge her condition, which created the addiction. She did not initially choose to indulge her condition becasue she was born addicted, it doesn't work that way.

She may have gotten a raw deal in the form of her condition, but that doesn't justify her actions by any stretch. The universe isn't always fair, but that doesn't justify taking actions to make it even more unfair than it already is.

Don't get me wrong, I actually love Morinth as a character, but I allso love Hannibal Lecter as a character. They're still both monsters, and the closest thing I've seen for a reason to choose her over Samara is because your completely psychotic Shepard also deserves the Justicar's wrath.

I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.
Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari. Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do. The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
 Basicly, they way I see it is that everyone who calls her evil never tried to think what it's like to be in her shoes with her condition.

I have. She's evil. Not from her point of view but a majority of other people would consider her evil.

How wouldyou act and feel if what happen to Mornith happen to you?

I'd feel the same way she does but I wouldn't react to it the same way because the possibility of an early death just isn't worth it. And I'm not evil.

Think of her more as the roman version of Madusa, who was a beutiful woman who was turned in a monster that turns people to stone by her looks because she was raped by Apollo in Athenas temple and Athina has a hissy fit and punished Madusa for it.

Life isn't fair but we all have to deal.

You can only say that because your not in her shoes. The only real evil thing she is done is the neglect she allows with her condition. Never once you hear or see anything that show that she take pleasure out of harming her victims. Everything she states and shows in her actions is that she likes to be courted and she like sex.
If you just cut out the fact she kills with regular asari sex,what else is their to point that she is a soul less murder?
You may say life is not fair and we have to deal with it, but to think a person is just going to lay down and take it is another thing. If you really understand another persons pain, you would understand that they would never take it and try to do something to overcome it. I'm not saying her action should not be punished, even a victim is not immune from their crimes...I just asking people to try to understand her more... Look at her more as the tragic roman version of Medusa, a victim who has to be killed to stop them from being killers, not a soulless monster that's the embodyment of evil.

[Pockles]

dreman9999 wrote...
You can only say that because your not in her shoes. The only real evil thing she is done is the neglect she allows with her condition. Never once you hear or see anything that show that she take pleasure out of harming her victims. Everything she states and shows in her actions is that she likes to be courted and she like sex.
If you just cut out the fact she kills with regular asari sex,what else is their to point that she is a soul less murder?
You may say life is not fair and we have to deal with it, but to think a person is just going to lay down and take it is another thing. If you really understand another persons pain, you would understand that they would never take it and try to do something to overcome it. I'm not saying her action should not be punished, even a victim is not immune from their crimes...I just asking people to try to understand her more... Look at her more as the tragic roman version of Medusa, a victim who has to be killed to stop them from being killers, not a soulless monster that's the embodyment of evil.

Morinth murders people because it feels good. This isn't complicated. There isn't anything beyond that to understand. She is a bad, bad person. I wasn't sad to see her go when Samara squished her head.

lol.

[dreman9999]

Pockles wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
You can only say that because your not in her shoes. The only real evil thing she is done is the neglect she allows with her condition. Never once you hear or see anything that show that she take pleasure out of harming her victims. Everything she states and shows in her actions is that she likes to be courted and she like sex.
If you just cut out the fact she kills with regular asari sex,what else is their to point that she is a soul less murder?
You may say life is not fair and we have to deal with it, but to think a person is just going to lay down and take it is another thing. If you really understand another persons pain, you would understand that they would never take it and try to do something to overcome it. I'm not saying her action should not be punished, even a victim is not immune from their crimes...I just asking people to try to understand her more... Look at her more as the tragic roman version of Medusa, a victim who has to be killed to stop them from being killers, not a soulless monster that's the embodyment of evil.

Morinth murders people because it feels good. This isn't complicated. There isn't anything beyond that to understand. She is a bad, bad person. I wasn't sad to see her go when Samara squished her head.

lol.

No, your not understanding. If she is killing people because it feels good...Why is she being so selective about it?
She only goes after certin people. If she like killing people then why make the person she want's to kill wine and dine her instead of kill some readom person in the street?

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Never once you hear or see anything that show that she take pleasure out of harming her victims. Everything she states and shows in her actions is that she likes to be courted and she like sex.

These go hand in hand. Therefore, she takes pleasure in harming her victims.

If you just cut out the fact she kills with regular asari sex,what else is their to point that she is a soul less murder?

I've never said she was a souless murderer (whatever that means). I believe the word you're looking for is remorseless. Take away the sex and change nothing else and she's still a remorseless murderer.

You may say life is not fair and we have to deal with it, but to think a person is just going to lay down and take it is another thing. If you really understand another persons pain, you would understand that they would never take it and try to do something to overcome it. I'm not saying her action should not be punished, even a victim is not immune from their crimes...I just asking people to try to understand her more... Look at her more as the tragic roman version of Medusa, a victim who has to be killed to stop them from being killers, not a soulless monster that's the embodyment of evil.

I have plenty understanding of Morinth. I know what happened to her is tragic but like Samara said she deserves no sympathy.

If you think it goes hand and hand than you really don't understand her at all. Look at who she kills. It's not random people, it people who she is attacted to. She dates them and make them romance her. If it was killing for killing sake, why not just kill random people, why go though the troble of all the hoop jumping?

Now as for being a remoreless murder regardeless of not having the condition...Could you point me to the murders she has done without having sex with the person?

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:15 .

[Pockles]

dreman9999 wrote...

Pockles wrote...
Morinth murders people because it feels good. This isn't complicated. There isn't anything beyond that to understand. She is a bad, bad person. I wasn't sad to see her go when Samara squished her head.

No, your not understanding. If she is killing people because it feels good...Why is she being so selective about it?
She only goes after certin people. If she like killing people then why make the person she want's to kill wine and dine her instead of kill some readom person in the street?

There wouldn't be any fun in it for her if she just forces herself on random people. She enjoys the "hunt", as it were. Luring people to their deaths.

Does it even matter? She's a serial killer, murdering people for physical and psychological gratification.

[dreman9999]

Pockles wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Pockles wrote...
Morinth murders people because it feels good. This isn't complicated. There isn't anything beyond that to understand. She is a bad, bad person. I wasn't sad to see her go when Samara squished her head.

No, your not understanding. If she is killing people because it feels good...Why is she being so selective about it?
She only goes after certin people. If she like killing people then why make the person she want's to kill wine and dine her instead of kill some readom person in the street?

There wouldn't be any fun in it for her if she just forces herself on random people. She enjoys the "hunt", as it were. Luring people to their deaths.

Does it even matter? She's a serial killer, murdering people for physical and psychological gratification.

Oh, yes...Now it about fun. What do you think courtship is? And Yes it matters what she does. This is a calculated person. She does nothing without a reason. Itnot a hunt if she interview you to see if you are her type. Samara goes into detail about who she likes and what she likes. No matter how you cut it, Mornith would not be a serial killer if she did not have her condition. It more of the fact that her have sex with the person kills them, not her killing them herself...It's negelet.

[dreman9999]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I think this topic has reached a stalemate. The only person defending Morinth says she IS a monster, and she DOES deserve killing, and she IS a little bit evil, just not as much as people think. I doubt we're going to change their mind.

Hey, I want to debate this.

[Collider]

Uh, she says herself that she loves how her victims have a false sense of security before they die. She likes the killing aspect and having power over her victims.

[BlueMagitek]

Right round? Like a record baby?