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[rapscallioness]

Uh, no. I let Morinth die. Yuck. I don't want the equivalent of an Asari Jeffrey Dahmer on my ship. Eew.

I'm surprised she didn't have a pic collection of her victims after they were dead.

Edit: However, I don't think that it should have negative consequences for the player if they chose that route. And I don't think the trial will care about Morinth.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:11 .

[Merlin 47]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What, this topic isn't about the rachni queen?

I thought it was about TIM.

[D.Kain]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What, this topic isn't about the rachni queen?

I thought it was about TIM.

Or Udina. 

[robarcool]

The only reason I saved Morinth once was to try out her bonus power and even in that playthrough, I deleted that save and then went back to save Samara. So nothing for my Shepards in this case.

[Zjarcal]

who would know wrote...

It was painted so black-and-white, as such a non-choice, that I actually want to see it reversed. It all depends on the direction Morinth's character takes in ME3. She is no more beyond restitution or positive development than Samara's moral character is beyond obfuscation.

Considering Samara was already threatening my Renegade Shep before the mission was done, saying she hoped they would never see each other after the mission was over because then she would have to kill her, I think there's a chance the choice to keep Samara around may also prove to be non-ideal.

[D.Kain]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

That's taste man.  I like Morinth's looks and voice.

The voice is cool. Especially when it's Sigrun's. But I still think her face is hideous, even more so than her mother's. It's the face of an old woman, looking monstrously out of place on a supposedly Matron-aged seductress.

I also find her personality an incredible turn-off. I mean, her conversation with Shepard in Afterlife was unbearably shallow and stupid. Made me want to kill her right there right then. o__O

She is not the most beautiful model in the game history yes. It's still tastes. 

And come on! What did you want to talk to a person that you just met? I mean real life first conversations are about weather and other pointless things.

[D.Kain]

robarcool wrote...

The only reason I saved Morinth once was to try out her bonus power and even in that playthrough, I deleted that save and then went back to save Samara. So nothing for my Shepards in this case.

Hey, it was the same for me, only with Samara. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 04:22 .

[HogarthHughes 3]

Zjarcal wrote...

Considering Samara was already threatening my Renegade Shep before the mission was done, saying she hoped they would never see each other after the mission was over because then she would have to kill her, I think there's a chance the choice to keep Samara around may also prove to be non-ideal.

A fight with Samara in ME3 (for ME2 renegades) would be spectacular.  Maybe she could be a boss fight kinda like Tela Vasir?  I hope some team members in ME3 will have 'breaking points' so to speak.

[Xeranx]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

That's taste man.  I like Morinth's looks and voice.

The voice is cool. Especially when it's Sigrun's. But I still think her face is hideous, even more so than her mother's. It's the face of an old woman, looking monstrously out of place on a supposedly Matron-aged seductress, as if she has prematurely aged due to her excess (quite possibly actual).

I also find her personality an incredible turn-off. I mean, her conversation with Shepard in Afterlife was unbearably shallow and stupid. Made me want to kill her right there right then. o__O

You mean just picking the right things to get her to take you to her apartment?  I got tired of that too and realized there was more she could say.  That exchange was beautiful...if you had the points to chose the appropriate paragon and renegade responses in Afterlife.

[D.Kain]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

And come on! What did you want to talk to a person that you just met? I mean real life first conversations are about weather and other pointless things.

With strangers at a bus stop. In order to pass the time while waiting for the bus.

Not in a private booth in the VIP section of the most decadent club in the Terminus with supposedly the most dangerous seductress this side of the Citadel.

It'd be much more interesting if BioWare actually wrote her as a Mata Hari. Such a shame they didn't.

Well she is no actually a **** to be every interestin for you to waste money on her. She was validating Shepard, not trying to get into his pants. And they just talked about some random things they like, 

[D.Kain]

Xeranx wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

That's taste man.  I like Morinth's looks and voice.

The voice is cool. Especially when it's Sigrun's. But I still think her face is hideous, even more so than her mother's. It's the face of an old woman, looking monstrously out of place on a supposedly Matron-aged seductress, as if she has prematurely aged due to her excess (quite possibly actual).

I also find her personality an incredible turn-off. I mean, her conversation with Shepard in Afterlife was unbearably shallow and stupid. Made me want to kill her right there right then. o__O

You mean just picking the right things to get her to take you to her apartment?  I got tired of that too and realized there was more she could say.  That exchange was beautiful...if you had the points to chose the appropriate paragon and renegade responses in Afterlife.

And yes, Renegade option made a good conversation.

[robarcool]

D.Kain wrote...

robarcool wrote...

The only reason I saved Morinth once was to try out her bonus power and even in that playthrough, I deleted that save and then went back to save Samara. So nothing for my Shepards in this case.

Hey, it was the same for me, only with Samara. 

Well, then it's not really the same you know...

[D.Kain]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

You mean just picking the right things to get her to take you to her apartment?  I got tired of that too and realized there was more she could say.  That exchange was beautiful...if you had the points to chose the appropriate paragon and renegade responses in Afterlife.

I agree with you, to an extent. I've actually explored that dialogue tree entirely myself. Some of them are more bearable than the "default" ones.

But it's still dreadfully under-written. And whenever you depart from the "default" path and returns with a Paragon/Renegade choice, the transition is very sudden and unnatural.

I just get the strong feeling that BioWare never treated Morinth as seriously as a character as Samara, or any other squadmate for that matter. They failed horribly at painting the image of a dangerous and yet irresistable seductress there, something they did so successfully with both Morrigan and Leliana. Such is the fate of "optional" characters. Oh well.

Here I agree with you. Btw to me Leliana looked good only with this mod: 
http://media.giantbo...on_11_super.jpg

[D.Kain]

wiggles89 wrote...

Here you are

Hm. Interesting. Samara is called a monster for doing whatever she is told, even though she might consider it wrong. 

I think Morinth would basically do anything I would ask of her ( except hurt herself ), and not even consider it wrong. So is she really a monster then?  But then again, having someone so reliable at your side is so much win.

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:49 .

[Medhia Nox]

@wiggles89 - it's only a great thought experiment if you agree with it.

We have no indication that Samara would be any more a drone to Shepard than any other NPC squadmate - and that's because it's designed that way.

Even Morinth would "obey" - because the game is not designed to give the NPCs their own free will.

When the game is taken out of the player's absolute control - a self-indulgent fan base cries foul.

====

Yes, I get it - you're enlightened because you want to be free from what you perceive as restricting moral codes - and, so long as everyone else thinks just like you - you're okay with them.

You're very current.

====

As for the punching reporters - you might see that as perfectly acceptable behavior - I see that as an act of a violent animal - I would no more allow a mugger to run free than I would a Shepard that solves problems by assaulting civilians.

And any such persona that argues for compassion for a serial killer - has no real chance for an accord with me (hence - my use of it as a reason for disregarding such opinions)

[ddv.rsa]

I don't get why people choose Morinth. It's not even a case of the ends justifying the means. You've got an elite Asari Justicar sworn to serve you, why trade her for a serial killer who had a go at you only moments before? Aside from the fact that you'll enable her to go on killing, you also know nothing about how reliable she is at that moment in time. For all you know Morinth could bugger off at the next port.

People who sided with Morith fully deserve to hear (preferably see) about the aftermath of the murders they've allowed. They should also lose the benefit of a Justicar's influence on Thessia.

[AlexXIV]

Wow, is this the mass murderer appreciation threat?

Samara may 'murder' alot of people, but so does Shepard. So anyone calling Samara a 'monster just like Morinth' must also be very uncomfortable with Shepard killing so many people? Or cops? Or soldiers? I think it is still a difference if someone is killing to enforce the law, protect innocents or as a sort of 'lesser evil' choice and someone who kills for fun or lust or pleasure etc. I mean if you defend Morinth you can as well defend rapists and child molesters.

Justicars seem to be respected and even admired among the Asari and tolerated by most species in the galaxy, after all they get rid of all the scum, which most people probably approve of. I don't like Samara or the Justicar code much, but she is clearly the lesser evil compared to Morinth. Not to mention that Samara is not really happy to have to kill 'the bravest and smartest of her children'. A monster really?

So about consequences ... I don't think there should be farther reaching ones than maybe a news flash that some innocent people died if you chose Morinth over Samara. Maybe also some news that Samara killed a couple of 'do-no-goods' if you chose Samara over Morinth. But that's it, no major plot events. After all ME3 is about the Reaper invasion and not about  every single choice Shepard made. Some of Shep's choices could fill an entire game on their own.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 26 septembre 2011 - 06:29 .

[Anwarddyn]

D.Kain wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What, this topic isn't about the rachni queen?

I thought it was about TIM.

Or Udina. 

No.... Udina's thread is disguised as the James Vega thread :innocent:

[Aeowyn]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@wiggles89 - it's only a great thought experiment if you agree with it.

We have no indication that Samara would be any more a drone to Shepard than any other NPC squadmate - and that's because it's designed that way.

Even Morinth would "obey" - because the game is not designed to give the NPCs their own free will.

When the game is taken out of the player's absolute control - a self-indulgent fan base cries foul.

====

Yes, I get it - you're enlightened because you want to be free from what you perceive as restricting moral codes - and, so long as everyone else thinks just like you - you're okay with them.

You're very current.

====

As for the punching reporters - you might see that as perfectly acceptable behavior - I see that as an act of a violent animal - I would no more allow a mugger to run free than I would a Shepard that solves problems by assaulting civilians.

And any such persona that argues for compassion for a serial killer - has no real chance for an accord with me (hence - my use of it as a reason for disregarding such opinions)

Eh.... I never punched the reporter or spared Morinth and I still think Samara is a monster. I'm sorry, but killing people because they don't live lives that are acceptable with her black and white code is not justice. 

Edit: As for Alex's post about Shepard killing too. Well you know, Shepard actually has a choice NOT to kill people, it's called the majority of the paragon decisions. Samara is forced to kill someone if they even try to BRIBE her. Yeah, how does bribery = death exactly?

Modifié par Aeowyn, 26 septembre 2011 - 06:49 .

[PauseforEffect]

Whatever decision they make, make it significant Bioware. You promised that our choices would have consequences!