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Your not understanding. Stop looking at serial killer in general and look in just her case alone. If you cut out the fact she kill people by having sex with them...Normal asari sex with them.... What is left to be able to use to call her a serial killer?
And yes, mind melding is sex for asari. http://masseffect.wi...i/Asari#Biology


To answer your first question, the fact that she obviously enjoys the hunt. That's a mark of a serial killer.
Have you clicked on the various items in her apartment and listened to her? Her statements are clear. For one of them, possibly chess or something, she says, "I love the look in your opponent's eyes when you both know he's going to die." That shows that she enjoys it.
I wish I could remember the exact dialog. Where's didymos when you need 'im.

And you're insistent that her having sex is the reason for people dying. I think killing people is why she has the "sex." Opposite sides of the same coin. Until we get around that, we're stuck.

The hunt is irrelivent. To hunt is not the same as killing. Because she does not kill in hunting. In the end she lures them in and kills them with sex. That is one in the same.
My point is that if she really wasa person that got off on murdingpeople, she would have mor e than one way to kill them. Cut  ou the fact that she kills with sex leaves her with nothing to point to to say she is a serial killer because she uses no otther means to kill.

And I have checked er apartment. The sword brings up the fact she like dualing, which just means she like conflict. Many of your crew is like that. The chess game is a referace that she like to lure people which is one in the same as her lure people to kill them with sex. The krogan statue just shows that she like to be courted. Nothing show that she would be a serial killer if she did not have the condition she has.


Actually, this is pretty much defining her as a serial killer. Serial killers have MOs, Mdus Oporundi (sp). They do it a certain way every time, or have a certain cycle. 

The hunt is irrelevent/not the same as killing?! Again, the hunt is pretty much definitive of a serial killer.

And we really need didymos here, you're wrong on the dialogs. More than one of them specifically mention killing someone or someone dying.

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The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"

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Agein, that still the joy of causing pain. Anyone that plays GTA  can tell they hurtthe people becausethey get joy from hurting the people.
The act of stabbing is not inter change able with an ardat yakshi meld because they do getplease from killing or causing pain, they get it from sex.


The particular aspect of the act of stabbing or melding that they enjoy is irrelevant. Both of them do this because it gives them pleasure. Both of them know that melding with someone or stabbing them will kill them, but they don't care. This is the textbook definition of a sociopath.

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I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.

That aspect is not any different than any other form of addiction. Most addicts start their use from a relatively innocent desire, often as a way to self-medicate against depression, bipolar dissorder, or other traumas. Virtually none require the addict to kill someone in front of them every time they use, though.

Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari.

Yeah, it sucks, but there are plenty of people who go without sex for one reason or another. Granted it is not presented as a life-and-death decision for most people who abstain, but the fact of the repurcussions simply means that Morinth has that much greater reason to abstain.

Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do.

For them there is usually little difference between killing and sex in terms of psychology. They are sick, twisted individuals.

The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.

The fact that if she has sex she automaticlly kills her partner is tragic. The fact that she considers her own pleasure to be of greater importance than other people's lives is immoral. There are already people in on earth that are in a similar situation as Morinth, though the repercusions are slightly less imediate. They were born with HIV, though their mothers, and can trasmit it to other people if they have sex with them. Yeah, it's a crappy situation, but it doesn't justify them being sexually promiscuous.

1. Yes, I know ...Which makes her case more unquic and tragic. SHE did not start this way but ended up this way out of her own shelfishness.It's still an addiction tide to a basic desire.
2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.
3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.
4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?

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The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"

Yes. And that means..."I like dualing people to the death, and over coming them in skill."
That is not the same as murdering. That just saying you like brutal arm combat. They are 3 people like that a on your crew......Are they the most evil people in the universe for that?

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I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.

That aspect is not any different than any other form of addiction. Most addicts start their use from a relatively innocent desire, often as a way to self-medicate against depression, bipolar dissorder, or other traumas. Virtually none require the addict to kill someone in front of them every time they use, though.

Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari.

Yeah, it sucks, but there are plenty of people who go without sex for one reason or another. Granted it is not presented as a life-and-death decision for most people who abstain, but the fact of the repurcussions simply means that Morinth has that much greater reason to abstain.

Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do.

For them there is usually little difference between killing and sex in terms of psychology. They are sick, twisted individuals.

The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.

The fact that if she has sex she automaticlly kills her partner is tragic. The fact that she considers her own pleasure to be of greater importance than other people's lives is immoral. There are already people in on earth that are in a similar situation as Morinth, though the repercusions are slightly less imediate. They were born with HIV, though their mothers, and can trasmit it to other people if they have sex with them. Yeah, it's a crappy situation, but it doesn't justify them being sexually promiscuous.

1. Yes, I know ...Which makes her case more unquic and tragic. SHE did not start this way but ended up this way out of her own shelfishness.It's still an addiction tide to a basic desire.
2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.
3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.
4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?


From personal experiance, yes.

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Agein, that still the joy of causing pain. Anyone that plays GTA  can tell they hurtthe people becausethey get joy from hurting the people.
The act of stabbing is not inter change able with an ardat yakshi meld because they do getplease from killing or causing pain, they get it from sex.


The particular aspect of the act of stabbing or melding that they enjoy is irrelevant. Both of them do this because it gives them pleasure. Both of them know that melding with someone or stabbing them will kill them, but they don't care. This is the textbook definition of a sociopath.

It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.

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The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"

Yes. And that means..."I like dualing people to the death, and over coming them in skill."
That is not the same as murdering. That just saying you like brutal arm combat. They are 3 people like that a on your crew......Are they the most evil people in the universe for that?


No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

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I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.

That aspect is not any different than any other form of addiction. Most addicts start their use from a relatively innocent desire, often as a way to self-medicate against depression, bipolar dissorder, or other traumas. Virtually none require the addict to kill someone in front of them every time they use, though.

Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari.

Yeah, it sucks, but there are plenty of people who go without sex for one reason or another. Granted it is not presented as a life-and-death decision for most people who abstain, but the fact of the repurcussions simply means that Morinth has that much greater reason to abstain.

Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do.

For them there is usually little difference between killing and sex in terms of psychology. They are sick, twisted individuals.

The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.

The fact that if she has sex she automaticlly kills her partner is tragic. The fact that she considers her own pleasure to be of greater importance than other people's lives is immoral. There are already people in on earth that are in a similar situation as Morinth, though the repercusions are slightly less imediate. They were born with HIV, though their mothers, and can trasmit it to other people if they have sex with them. Yeah, it's a crappy situation, but it doesn't justify them being sexually promiscuous.

1. Yes, I know ...Which makes her case more unquic and tragic. SHE did not start this way but ended up this way out of her own shelfishness.It's still an addiction tide to a basic desire.
2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.
3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.
4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?


From personal experiance, yes.

I said Intimacy in General.That doesn't mean sex.  Are you saying you have no friends or familly?

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EternalAmbiguity wrote...

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The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"

Yes. And that means..."I like dualing people to the death, and over coming them in skill."
That is not the same as murdering. That just saying you like brutal arm combat. They are 3 people like that a on your crew......Are they the most evil people in the universe for that?


No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

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It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.


The reason they are doing it is because it gives them pleasure.

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But to hunt does not mean to kill. Not mater how much she hunts she still uses sex to kill. She only has sex because of the high she get's from it, not the joy of killing.
Also, with the question I ask, their is a point. The fact that if she really is killing for the joy of killing, she would kill inother ways out side of sex. If she is using no other forms to kill, then it clear she is just doing it for the sex because of the high she gets. That is neglect.

I think you're confusing melding with sex. It's not the same. She's addicted to melding.

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It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.


The reason they are doing it is because it gives them pleasure.

Yes, but with stabbing some one to death, it because they like causing pain.
With what mornith does, it just because of the sex.

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No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

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Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Her mind melding with someone will inevitably kill that person. Killing people illegally is murder. She is committing murder the moment she makes the decision to mind meld with them.

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[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]SandTrout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.[/quote] That aspect is not any different than any other form of addiction. Most addicts start their use from a relatively innocent desire, often as a way to self-medicate against depression, bipolar dissorder, or other traumas. Virtually none require the addict to kill someone in front of them every time they use, though.

[quote]Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari.[/quote] Yeah, it sucks, but there are plenty of people who go without sex for one reason or another. Granted it is not presented as a life-and-death decision for most people who abstain, but the fact of the repurcussions simply means that Morinth has that much greater reason to abstain.

[quote]Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do.[/quote] For them there is usually little difference between killing and sex in terms of psychology. They are sick, twisted individuals.

[quote]The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.[/quote] The fact that if she has sex she automaticlly kills her partner is tragic. The fact that she considers her own pleasure to be of greater importance than other people's lives is immoral. There are already people in on earth that are in a similar situation as Morinth, though the repercusions are slightly less imediate. They were born with HIV, though their mothers, and can trasmit it to other people if they have sex with them. Yeah, it's a crappy situation, but it doesn't justify them being sexually promiscuous.
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1. Yes, I know ...Which makes her case more unquic and tragic. SHE did not start this way but ended up this way out of her own shelfishness.It's still an addiction tide to a basic desire.
2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.
3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.
4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?
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From personal experiance, yes.

[/quote]I said Intimacy in General.That doesn't mean sex.  Are you saying you have no friends or familly?
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None that I'm "intimate" with, if by that you mean something like you tell them all your fears and pains and joys.

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[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]thatguy212 wrote...

The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"[/quote]Yes. And that means..."I like dualing people to the death, and over coming them in skill."
That is not the same as murdering. That just saying you like brutal arm combat. They are 3 people like that a on your crew......Are they the most evil people in the universe for that?

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No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

[/quote]Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.
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I want to know who those three are; and you're right, it's not murder, it's having pleasure in that murder. It's worse.

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But to hunt does not mean to kill. Not mater how much she hunts she still uses sex to kill. She only has sex because of the high she get's from it, not the joy of killing.
Also, with the question I ask, their is a point. The fact that if she really is killing for the joy of killing, she would kill inother ways out side of sex. If she is using no other forms to kill, then it clear she is just doing it for the sex because of the high she gets. That is neglect.

I think you're confusing melding with sex. It's not the same. She's addicted to melding.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari#Biology
"During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. A common phrase used before melding is "embrace eternity,"
presumably to help focus the partner's mind. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system. This unique means
of reproduction is the reason asari are all talented biotics. Their
evolved ability to consciously control nerve impulses is very similar to
biotic training."
.....
Yes, it's the same as sex.

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two of the three are probably Jack and Grunt, can't think of who the third is though

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[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]SandTrout wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

I sorry, given that the thing she kill with is an inbreed instinctive response to intimacy and attraction, I would have to disagree.[/quote] That aspect is not any different than any other form of addiction. Most addicts start their use from a relatively innocent desire, often as a way to self-medicate against depression, bipolar dissorder, or other traumas. Virtually none require the addict to kill someone in front of them every time they use, though.

[quote]Stop looking at the fact that she a killer and look more to how she kills....It with sex, not some specific  over the top type of Sex, but regular sex for any Asari.[/quote] Yeah, it sucks, but there are plenty of people who go without sex for one reason or another. Granted it is not presented as a life-and-death decision for most people who abstain, but the fact of the repurcussions simply means that Morinth has that much greater reason to abstain.

[quote]Look at how the murders you name kill. They use extreme means to get the pleaser for they kills they do.[/quote] For them there is usually little difference between killing and sex in terms of psychology. They are sick, twisted individuals.

[quote]The want of sex is in every living being. Ill-fated as it is, Mornith has a condition that with regular sex, for an asari, kills her mate...She is not torturing or disfiguring anyone like a other serial killer do... She just has sex with them. It more neglect then being a crazy killer.[/quote] The fact that if she has sex she automaticlly kills her partner is tragic. The fact that she considers her own pleasure to be of greater importance than other people's lives is immoral. There are already people in on earth that are in a similar situation as Morinth, though the repercusions are slightly less imediate. They were born with HIV, though their mothers, and can trasmit it to other people if they have sex with them. Yeah, it's a crappy situation, but it doesn't justify them being sexually promiscuous.
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1. Yes, I know ...Which makes her case more unquic and tragic. SHE did not start this way but ended up this way out of her own shelfishness.It's still an addiction tide to a basic desire.
2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.
3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.
4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?
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From personal experiance, yes.

[/quote]I said Intimacy in General.That doesn't mean sex.  Are you saying you have no friends or familly?
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None that I'm "intimate" with, if by that you mean something like you tell them all your fears and pains and joys.

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]EternalAmbiguity wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[quote]thatguy212 wrote...

The quote is "I was into dueling for awhile, I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die"[/quote]Yes. And that means..."I like dualing people to the death, and over coming them in skill."
That is not the same as murdering. That just saying you like brutal arm combat. They are 3 people like that a on your crew......Are they the most evil people in the universe for that?

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No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

[/quote]Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.
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I want to know who those three are; and you're right, it's not murder, it's having pleasure in that murder. It's worse.

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Garrus, Grunt, and Jack. And dualing is an event agree by 2 people. Say Morinth is a murder because she kills during a dualis like calling Alistair from DA:O a  murder because he kill Teyrn Loghain if you let him dual him.

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two of the three are probably Jack and Grunt, can't think of who the third is though

Garrus.... He's the type of person if he feel it justified to kill some one ...he kills them.

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Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Her mind melding with someone will inevitably kill that person. Killing people illegally is murder. She is committing murder the moment she makes the decision to mind meld with them.

We are talking about Mornith killing people in duals now...Not with sex.

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No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

If she loves killing just to see death. Why is she so picky in choosing who she kills and not kill some random person.

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I want to know who those three are; and you're right, it's not murder, it's having pleasure in that murder. It's worse.

Garrus, Grunt, and Jack. And dualing is an event agree by 2 people. Say Morinth is a murder because she kills during a dualis like calling Alistair from DA:O a  murder because he kill Teyrn Loghain if you let him dual him.



Oh, come on!! It's not about the duel, it's about that MOMENT she mentions.

I'm certain Garrus isn't that way at all. Garrus only kills the bad guys. He doesn't do it for pleasure. In fact, if you try to talk him out of killing Sidonis, Shep stands to the side at the very end and Garrus doesn't take the shot.

Grunt is that way because he's like a TWO MONTH OLD Krogan.

Jack is not a serial killer. She doesn't hunt and stalk prey. She commits random acts of violence. She has psychological issues unrelated to being a serial killer or anything like that. Like I said before, look at her--she's a tortured soul. Morinth is comfortable in who she is.

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dreman9999 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...
No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

If she loves killing just to see death. Why is she so picky in choosing who she kills and not kill some random person.


Because she is a SERIAL KILLER. 

*headdesk*