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[thatguy212]

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

If she loves killing just to see death. Why is she so picky in choosing who she kills and not kill some random person.

Because even Serial Killers have standards?

[ObserverStatus]

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

If she loves killing just to see death. Why is she so picky in choosing who she kills and not kill some random person.

because that would be lame. if TV has taught me anything, if you're killing just for the sake of killing, you have to do it in a cool way.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Her mind melding with someone will inevitably kill that person. Killing people illegally is murder. She is committing murder the moment she makes the decision to mind meld with them.

We are talking about Mornith killing people in duals now...Not with sex.

Please stop agreeing with me and acting like you aren't. The fact that she also enjoys killling people while dueling is not something with which you can deflect criticism of her actions. Rather, that does nothing but prove me right. She is a terrible monster that deserves every ounce of loathing any decent being possesses.

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.

Pattently not true. I, personally, have largely (not completely, but I won't go into details here) abstained from sex by my own choice and without a strong religeous background, impotence, or isolation to reinforce my decision. It is simply a decision I made to control my sex drive rather than allow it to control me. The risk/reward just doesn't add up to fool as much as some parts of society claim is normal. Besides that, Morinth was offered a life of comfort and isolation, like her sisters had, and rejected it.

3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.

Arguable, but irrellivant. The same act through which she 'gets off' kills. She chooses to kill in order to get off, knowing the consequences.

4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?

1) In the HIV case, even the best precations available are not 100%. 2) Intimacy doesn't neccesitate sex. You can be very close to someone and choose not to intitiate the sexual side of the relationship. Granted, it is generally accepted in our culture that intimacy and sex go hand in hand, but that is not true for all cultures. In some cultures, it is acceptable to have sex without emotional intimacy, and in others, it is a crime to have sex outside of legal marraige. The two are not inherently integral to each other.

Modifié par SandTrout, 30 septembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[dreman9999]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I want to know who those three are; and you're right, it's not murder, it's having pleasure in that murder. It's worse.

Garrus, Grunt, and Jack. And dualing is an event agree by 2 people. Say Morinth is a murder because she kills during a dualis like calling Alistair from DA:O a  murder because he kill Teyrn Loghain if you let him dual him.

Oh, come on!! It's not about the duel, it's about that MOMENT she mentions.

I'm certain Garrus isn't that way at all. Garrus only kills the bad guys. He doesn't do it for pleasure. In fact, if you try to talk him out of killing Sidonis, Shep stands to the side at the very end and Garrus doesn't take the shot.

Grunt is that way because he's like a TWO MONTH OLD Krogan.

Jack is not a serial killer. She doesn't hunt and stalk prey. She commits random acts of violence. She has psychological issues unrelated to being a serial killer or anything like that. Like I said before, look at her--she's a tortured soul. Morinth is comfortable in who she is.

What does it matter about the moment.. She stillis not murdering them. That is not killing for killing sake. It just hat she likes winning and she like to win feeling that she overpowers the person.  She just like the feeling of trapping the person.
 Garrus is that way. It just that he has to feel justified doing it. He did spend 2 years murding mercs on omega. And even planned in assasinating his own team mate.

Grunt maybe a two motnth year old but it does not stop him from being on of the most ruthless member of your team. HE CLEARLY LIKES KILLING.

As for Jack...Why do you think she wasin cryo in the blue suns prison? She tells you that she got gang raped in prison by the inmatesand guards....She then states she took  revege by hunting down each rapes one by one...Killing them.

They all may have different reason for being murders and killers....But in the end they still are murders and killers.

[Pockles]

dreman9999 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.

The reason they are doing it is because it gives them pleasure.

Yes, but with stabbing some one to death, it because they like causing pain.
With what mornith does, it just because of the sex.

Why does it matter?

[Gallimatia]

Given that Morinth has to hunt and kill to have sex and grow strong it stands to reason she would learn to enjoy the previously mentioned things even if she did not from the beginning. Even if they have no fundamental appeal to her she ought to have been conditioned to enjoy hunting and killing because of how the behavior has obvious benefits to her. The reward system is supposed to be updated to reflect what supplies us with our natural needs.

[who would know]

imo

[D.Kain]

who would know wrote...



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I'm sorry, I know I said I wouldn't post here anymore. But that is an awesome gif! I can't watch it enough times. lol
Ok I'm gone, I'm gone.. Don't post replies to me. Saved and thank you ''who would know''.

Modifié par D.Kain, 30 septembre 2011 - 08:41 .

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

They all may have different reason for being murders and killers....But in the end they still are murders and killers.

You are deflecting the argument. We are not discussing the moral standing relative to the entire crew, we are discussing the moral standing of choosing Morinth over Samara.

[dreman9999]

SandTrout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2.And yes, I know people go with out sex. But the mean the do it are extreme. It's ether isolation, focuson somthing else, impotencey, self esteme and etc....And Mornith has none of those things going for her. Think of it more like a normal person who has a normal sex drive that is attracted to everyone they meetand you'll understand my point.

Pattently not true. I, personally, have largely (not completely, but I won't go into details here) abstained from sex by my own choice and without a strong religeous background, impotence, or isolation to reinforce my decision. It is simply a decision I made to control my sex drive rather than allow it to control me. The risk/reward just doesn't add up to fool as much as some parts of society claim is normal. Besides that, Morinth was offered a life of comfort and isolation, like her sisters had, and rejected it.

3.But the fact is she is not getting offon the killing. She is just getting off on the sex.

Arguable, but irrellivant. The same act through which she 'gets off' kills. She chooses to kill in order to get off, knowing the consequences.

4.And that is why I still see her as a horrible person. I understand that. But the fact is that it more extrem then the hiv cases... It simular but their is not form of protection to stop death from having sex with Mornith. People with hiv can use protection and be very careful and their mate won't get hiv.. Mornith kill them no matter what. She has no real way of having intimate sex with out death. Can a normal person be able to lve with out intimacy in general?

1) In the HIV case, even the best precations available are not 100%. 2) Intimacy doesn't neccesitate sex. You can be very close to someone and choose not to intitiate the sexual side of the relationship. Granted, it is generally accepted in our culture that intimacy and sex go hand in hand, but that is not true for all cultures. In some cultures, it is acceptable to have sex without emotional intimacy, and in others, it is a crime to have sex outside of legal marraige. The two are not inherently integral to each other.

1. I did state etc..  You made a choice based on you condition, it doesn't mean you going tostay with out sex for ever.... Not the same case a Mornith.
2.And that is neglect. As I said she still is a horrible person for it.
3.I know. But it still has better chances of protection them what Mornith has.
4. I did say intimacy in general. I ment all forms of intimacy...this means non sexual friend ships as well. The problem with Morniths case is that she can't even have sex without killing anyone.It just means if she does not want to kill any one with sex, then she can't have sex...ever. Any normal person can live for some time with out sex...Even Mornith can live some time with out sex. Question is, can a person live their entire live easilly with out having sex once they are sexually matured? That is a very hard thing to do and very difficult thing to do....And an asari live for up to 1000 years....... That's a long time with out sex. The next problem is the factthat she can be attacted to any one no matter the sex or race. Being close to a friend that you can be attacted to can be difficult if staving for intimacy of sex. Which is why the Asari offer the monistary to asari with Mornith's case.....  So they can deal with the life long struggle easier.
It a very difficult case to have is some in real life has Mornith's condition.

[dreman9999]

SandTrout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

They all may have different reason for being murders and killers....But in the end they still are murders and killers.

You are deflecting the argument. We are not discussing the moral standing relative to the entire crew, we are discussing the moral standing of choosing Morinth over Samara.

I know. It just that some of the reason people choose to kill Mornith are traits other crew members have.I just want to point that out.

[dreman9999]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What does it matter about the moment.. She stillis not murdering them. That is not killing for killing sake. It just hat she likes winning and she like to win feeling that she overpowers the person.  She just like the feeling of trapping the person.
 Garrus is that way. It just that he has to feel justified doing it. He did spend 2 years murding mercs on omega. And even planned in assasinating his own team mate.

Grunt maybe a two motnth year old but it does not stop him from being on of the most ruthless member of your team. HE CLEARLY LIKES KILLING.

As for Jack...Why do you think she wasin cryo in the blue suns prison? She tells you that she got gang raped in prison by the inmatesand guards....She then states she took  revege by hunting down each rapes one by one...Killing them.

They all may have different reason for being murders and killers....But in the end they still are murders and killers.

I'm no Garrus fan but that's complete BS. I don't think you can call it murder so easily when the people he's killing are regular killers themselves. The teammate assassination was a result of that teammate's BETRAYAL and EXOCUTION of eleven (or 9, can't remember) people who were protecting the (admittedly few) innocent on Omega.

I agree, Grunt does clearly likes killing. However, that's because of who he is, and how old he is; kind of like how teenagers like humping: their hormones have just awoken, a whole new experience is opened to them. As Grunt grows he will mature to be more like Wrex, where he realizes that all of the killing is destroying his people.

I don't remember that part about her getting raped...but her going out and killing the people who raped her is IN NO WAY comparable to Morinth killing innocents. They abused Jack, they were not innocent people.


Garrus is no murderer; he was killing "bad" people. Grunt is not a murderer, Shepard has "owned" him for as long as he's been alive. Jack is a murderer, but she doesn't murder to get pleasure, she murders to alleviate the pain. Big difference.


I have to get up in less than five hours, so I'm leaving. I'll check in tomorrow.

I'm sorry he spent 2 years playing  punisher on omega. He has murder many people....they is no contest to this. The only reason people give hin a free pass on it is because the people he kill deserved it. In the end no matter what his a murder. I don't hate him for it, I just want to bring up this point to all the people ready to throw stones at Mornith for Murder.

[dreman9999]

thatguy212 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No it does not mean that. Look at the sentence: "I love the moment you see it in your opponent's eyes, he knows your better and he's going to die."

She loves that MOMENT. Not dueling.

Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Stop trying to justify it. She enjoys seeing death.

If she loves killing just to see death. Why is she so picky in choosing who she kills and not kill some random person.

Because even Serial Killers have standards?

Your slowly getting to the irony of the arguement that Mornith is a super evil ruthless killer and get off on peopls death.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
I know. It just that some of the reason people choose to kill Mornith are traits other crew members have.I just want to point that out.

Thinking about it, the only crew members that I wouldn't want to die are Legion and Joker. Maybe Tali, on a good day. Mordin if it's an extremely good day. Everyone else can pretty much die.

[dreman9999]

Pockles wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Pockles wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.

The reason they are doing it is because it gives them pleasure.

Yes, but with stabbing some one to death, it because they like causing pain.
With what mornith does, it just because of the sex.

Why does it matter?

If you ask" 1.why it matters "go to..
a.It's relivent. WHY? because it's the reason they are doing it.

If you say"2.The reason they are doing it is because it gives them pleasure"  go to

b.Yes, but with stabbing some one to death, it because they like causing pain.
With what mornith does, it just because of the sex.

So if you state 1. go o A.
If you state 2. go to b.
Keep doing that till you get it.

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I know. It just that some of the reason people choose to kill Mornith are traits other crew members have.I just want to point that out.

Thinking about it, the only crew members that I wouldn't want to die are Legion and Joker. Maybe Tali, on a good day. Mordin if it's an extremely good day. Everyone else can pretty much die.

Hey, put down those stones......Shepardcan act eventen time more ruthless then the crew as a paragon.

[dreman9999]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What does it matter about the moment.. She stillis not murdering them. That is not killing for killing sake. It just hat she likes winning and she like to win feeling that she overpowers the person.  She just like the feeling of trapping the person.
 Garrus is that way. It just that he has to feel justified doing it. He did spend 2 years murding mercs on omega. And even planned in assasinating his own team mate.

Grunt maybe a two motnth year old but it does not stop him from being on of the most ruthless member of your team. HE CLEARLY LIKES KILLING.

As for Jack...Why do you think she wasin cryo in the blue suns prison? She tells you that she got gang raped in prison by the inmatesand guards....She then states she took  revege by hunting down each rapes one by one...Killing them.

They all may have different reason for being murders and killers....But in the end they still are murders and killers.

I'm no Garrus fan but that's complete BS. I don't think you can call it murder so easily when the people he's killing are regular killers themselves. The teammate assassination was a result of that teammate's BETRAYAL and EXOCUTION of eleven (or 9, can't remember) people who were protecting the (admittedly few) innocent on Omega.

I agree, Grunt does clearly likes killing. However, that's because of who he is, and how old he is; kind of like how teenagers like humping: their hormones have just awoken, a whole new experience is opened to them. As Grunt grows he will mature to be more like Wrex, where he realizes that all of the killing is destroying his people.

I don't remember that part about her getting raped...but her going out and killing the people who raped her is IN NO WAY comparable to Morinth killing innocents. They abused Jack, they were not innocent people.


Garrus is no murderer; he was killing "bad" people. Grunt is not a murderer, Shepard has "owned" him for as long as he's been alive. Jack is a murderer, but she doesn't murder to get pleasure, she murders to alleviate the pain. Big difference.


I have to get up in less than five hours, so I'm leaving. I'll check in tomorrow.

I'm sorry he spent 2 years playing  punisher on omega. He has murder many people....they is no contest to this. The only reason people give hin a free pass on it is because the people he kill deserved it. In the end no matter what his a murder. I don't hate him for it, I just want to bring up this point to all the people ready to throw stones at Mornith for Murder.

*sigh* I keep getting drawn in...

I don't think you understand what murder is. All killing is not murder. Murder is "unlawful killing with malice aforethought."

Arguably what Garrus did was perfectly legal on Omega, especially since the marc groups were allowed to come after him.

And his killing was promoted by justice, not malice--much like Samara, in fact.

Alright, I'm REALLY gone this time.

Yes, I do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being with "malice aforethought", and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide .

Was any thing Garrus did on omega lawful? Lasttime I checked, the law on omage was made by omega and the gangs. If he when ageint the gang, he was going ageint the laws of omage since they are part of making the law.

This laps you tried to use also can be use for Mornith. No law in omega state she can't kill anyone. So killing Nef is not legaly murder.

[Soul Cool]

dreman9999 wrote...
Hey, put down those stones......Shepardcan act eventen time more ruthless then the crew as a paragon.

So? I didn't say I wanted Sheperd to live, did I? That's right, I didn't.

[dreman9999]

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Soul Cool wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Again, 3 people on your crew like that and it still not the same as murder.

Her mind melding with someone will inevitably kill that person. Killing people illegally is murder. She is committing murder the moment she makes the decision to mind meld with them.

We are talking about Mornith killing people in duals now...Not with sex.

Please stop agreeing with me and acting like you aren't. The fact that she also enjoys killling people while dueling is not something with which you can deflect criticism of her actions. Rather, that does nothing but prove me right. She is a terrible monster that deserves every ounce of loathing any decent being possesses.

Like to do duel does not make on a monster. Ita contest between two people of equals....It not murder. If it was Alistair from DA:O  would be a murder if he duals and kills Loghain.

[dreman9999]

Well I'm calling it a night ...Good night.