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[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I never said she was not. She is a monster, just not the embodiment of evil people think she is. She maybe evil and deserve to die but I feel that some sympathy is need. Her case is not so cut and dry.

You kept claiming she wasn't evil. There are different types of evil I know but each type of evil is no less evil at all. Morinth made her choice. She chose a path that she knew was monstrous and she became a monster. There is no sympathy for her. I have sympathy for her sisters but not for Morinth. 

No, I said she is not as evil people feel she is. That's not say she is not evil.Most of the reason she is like the way she is  not her choice. But the choices to kill is still her own and she does deserve judgement for it. But she still deserve simpathy because of her case.
If she become the way she is with out having her condition, then I would agree thats she is pure evil. But her condition is a factor, being that I fell that she is not purly evil. Hech, She can still find redemtion.

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I never said she was not. She is a monster, just not the embodiment of evil people think she is. She maybe evil and deserve to die but I feel that some sympathy is need. Her case is not so cut and dry.

You kept claiming she wasn't evil. There are different types of evil I know but each type of evil is no less evil at all. Morinth made her choice. She chose a path that she knew was monstrous and she became a monster. There is no sympathy for her. I have sympathy for her sisters but not for Morinth. 

No, I said she is not as evil people feel she is. That's not say she is not evil.Most of the reason she is like the way she is  not her choice. But the choices to kill is still her own and she does deserve judgement for it. But she still deserve simpathy because of her case.
If she become the way she is with out having her condition, then I would agree thats she is pure evil. But her condition is a factor, being that I fell that she is not purly evil. Hech, She can still find redemtion.

Okay let me get this straight. She is evil. A monster. She doesn't deserve Judgement but she deserves Sympathy

No offense. Your reasoning makes little sense. 

[unfringed]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I never said she was not. She is a monster, just not the embodiment of evil people think she is. She maybe evil and deserve to die but I feel that some sympathy is need. Her case is not so cut and dry.

You kept claiming she wasn't evil. There are different types of evil I know but each type of evil is no less evil at all. Morinth made her choice. She chose a path that she knew was monstrous and she became a monster. There is no sympathy for her. I have sympathy for her sisters but not for Morinth. 

No, I said she is not as evil people feel she is. That's not say she is not evil.Most of the reason she is like the way she is  not her choice. But the choices to kill is still her own and she does deserve judgement for it. But she still deserve simpathy because of her case.
If she become the way she is with out having her condition, then I would agree thats she is pure evil. But her condition is a factor, being that I fell that she is not purly evil. Hech, She can still find redemtion.

Okay let me get this straight. She is evil. A monster. She doesn't deserve Judgement but she deserves Sympathy

No offense. Your reasoning makes little sense. 

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

[SandTrout]

unfringed wrote...

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

I understand the reasoning just fine, but it is still fundamentally flawed. Yes, she got a crappy lot in life, but her choices are not justified by what mitigating circumstances exist.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I never said she was not. She is a monster, just not the embodiment of evil people think she is. She maybe evil and deserve to die but I feel that some sympathy is need. Her case is not so cut and dry.

You kept claiming she wasn't evil. There are different types of evil I know but each type of evil is no less evil at all. Morinth made her choice. She chose a path that she knew was monstrous and she became a monster. There is no sympathy for her. I have sympathy for her sisters but not for Morinth. 

No, I said she is not as evil people feel she is. That's not say she is not evil.Most of the reason she is like the way she is  not her choice. But the choices to kill is still her own and she does deserve judgement for it. But she still deserve simpathy because of her case.
If she become the way she is with out having her condition, then I would agree thats she is pure evil. But her condition is a factor, being that I fell that she is not purly evil. Hech, She can still find redemtion.

Okay let me get this straight. She is evil. A monster. She doesn't deserve Judgement but she deserves Sympathy

No offense. Your reasoning makes little sense. 

No, you got part of it wrong. She does desurve Judgement, she just also deserved some sympathy as well.

[unfringed]

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

I understand the reasoning just fine, but it is still fundamentally flawed. Yes, she got a crappy lot in life, but her choices are not justified by what mitigating circumstances exist.

Justification is on a sliding scale. Nobody is arguing that what she did is acceptable (well, except for that idiot in the first few pages) but she is still far less of a monster than she would have been if she hadn't had the condition that compells her to murder.

That's all that is being said. Being partly a victim does not mean she's innocent.

[1136342t54_]

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

I understand the reasoning just fine, but it is still fundamentally flawed. Yes, she got a crappy lot in life, but her choices are not justified by what mitigating circumstances exist.

This. It wasn't that it didn't make sense really but it is flawed.

[unfringed]

1136342t54 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

I understand the reasoning just fine, but it is still fundamentally flawed. Yes, she got a crappy lot in life, but her choices are not justified by what mitigating circumstances exist.

This. It wasn't that it didn't make sense really but it is flawed.

Again, it makes perfect sense. You just keep missing what's being said. Read my previous post.

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...
No, you got part of it wrong. She does desurve Judgement, she just also deserved some sympathy as well.

She doesn't. Not anymore at least. Morinth made the CHOICE to kill. You can blaim the condition but it is akin to blaming the gun instead of the human for the persons death. There is always someone to pull the trigger. Morinth chose to kill. Maybe her initial reason for sex. 

So the **** what. Morinth knowingly killed someone for sex. She is evil and any sympathy anyone could have had for her flew out the window.

[dreman9999]

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

His reasoning makes perfect sense. All he's saying is there are mitigating variables in Morinth's case (her condition) which merits her some sympathy, without excusing her from judgment entirely. She's a monster, but like a serial killer with a bad childhood, she's part victim as well.

I understand the reasoning just fine, but it is still fundamentally flawed. Yes, she got a crappy lot in life, but her choices are not justified by what mitigating circumstances exist.

I never said her actions are justifed. The fact that I understand she need to be punished for it is clear that I feel her actions are not justified. I just understand it's not fully her fault.
If more of a case of"I understand you pain but I have to kill you any way" and less of a case of" Your an unfeeling monster and killing you for it and I hope yoy go to the deepest part of hell."

[1136342t54_]

unfringed wrote...
Again, it makes perfect sense. You just keep missing what's being said. Read my previous post.

Reread the post. I'm saying its flawed.

[unfringed]

1136342t54 wrote...

She doesn't. Not anymore at least. Morinth made the CHOICE to kill. You can blaim the condition but it is akin to blaming the gun instead of the human for the persons death. There is always someone to pull the trigger. Morinth chose to kill. Maybe her initial reason for sex.

That's a horrible example. A gun does not compel a person towards an action, it's simply a tool that allows an action. There's a huge fundamental difference between a gun and a psychological condition that affects personal decisions and drives.

I'm not going to bother continuing this argument, because it's apparent most of the people here have trouble understanding anything outside simple black and white.

[unfringed]

1136342t54 wrote...

unfringed wrote...
Again, it makes perfect sense. You just keep missing what's being said. Read my previous post.

Reread the post. I'm saying its flawed.

I'm rereading your post. Your claim that "each type of evil is no less evil at all" is ridiculous and betrays a very limited and flawed way of looking at moral decisions.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, you got part of it wrong. She does desurve Judgement, she just also deserved some sympathy as well.

She doesn't. Not anymore at least. Morinth made the CHOICE to kill. You can blaim the condition but it is akin to blaming the gun instead of the human for the persons death. There is always someone to pull the trigger. Morinth chose to kill. Maybe her initial reason for sex. 

So the **** what. Morinth knowingly killed someone for sex. She is evil and any sympathy anyone could have had for her flew out the window.

I'm just say it ok to judge her for killing. But to find her to be the most evil person ever is flawed because  her condition is  a factor. Her only choice in life is to suffer in silence or live as ruthlessly as possible.

Think of it this way. If your crippled for life and you learn there is a way to undo it but it's cost the life of someone else to do it. What would you do...Live your life as a cripple or do the procedure at the cost of someones life.
That's the extremes of her case. It's ether suffer for life or live happily as a monster.

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

I never said her actions are justifed. The fact that I understand she need to be punished for it is clear that I feel her actions are not justified. I just understand it's not fully her fault.
If more of a case of"I understand you pain but I have to kill you any way" and less of a case of" Your an unfeeling monster and killing you for it and I hope yoy go to the deepest part of hell."

But she is a sociopath and she is mainly suffering from her own choices.

[silentassassin264]

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, you got part of it wrong. She does desurve Judgement, she just also deserved some sympathy as well.

She doesn't. Not anymore at least. Morinth made the CHOICE to kill. You can blaim the condition but it is akin to blaming the gun instead of the human for the persons death. There is always someone to pull the trigger. Morinth chose to kill. Maybe her initial reason for sex. 

So the **** what. Morinth knowingly killed someone for sex. She is evil and any sympathy anyone could have had for her flew out the window.

I'm just say it ok to judge her for killing. But to find her to be the most evil person ever is flawed because  her condition is  a factor. Her only choice in life is to suffer in silence or live as ruthlessly as possible.

Think of it this way. If your crippled for life and you learn there is a way to undo it but it's cost the life of someone else to do it. What would you do...Live your life as a cripple or do the procedure at the cost of someones life.
That's the extremes of her case. It's ether suffer for life or live happily as a monster.

I would suggest you give up arguing with geth guy.  I already made the point that point and he just refuses to believe Morinth deserves any sympathy.  You are not going to persuade him.

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm just say it ok to judge her for killing. But to find her to be the most evil person ever is flawed because  her condition is  a factor. Her only choice in life is to suffer in silence or live as ruthlessly as possible.

Think of it this way. If your crippled for life and you learn there is a way to undo it but it's cost the life of someone else to do it. What would you do...Live your life as a cripple or do the procedure at the cost of someones life.
That's the extremes of her case. It's ether suffer for life or live happily as a monster.

Yeah, if you kill to heal your spine, I'd still consider you a monster.

[unfringed]

SandTrout wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

I'm just say it ok to judge her for killing. But to find her to be the most evil person ever is flawed because  her condition is  a factor. Her only choice in life is to suffer in silence or live as ruthlessly as possible.

Think of it this way. If your crippled for life and you learn there is a way to undo it but it's cost the life of someone else to do it. What would you do...Live your life as a cripple or do the procedure at the cost of someones life.
That's the extremes of her case. It's ether suffer for life or live happily as a monster.

Yeah, if you kill to heal your spine, I'd still consider you a monster.

But would he be as much of a monster as someone who killed that person for sport?

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...
I'm just say it ok to judge her for killing. But to find her to be the most evil person ever is flawed because  her condition is  a factor. Her only choice in life is to suffer in silence or live as ruthlessly as possible.

Try not to put words in my mouth. I said she was evil not the most evil person ever. She is evil and you even agreed she is evil. 

So you agree she chose to live as ruthlessly as possible. Morinth chose to kill and knew she would have to kill relentlessly. Also you are incorrect on the choices. Morinth was capable of leaving the planet on her own without using her abilities. She can easily go into hiding and not draw attention to herself. Instead Morinth chose to indulge into her primal desires and kill then keep killing.

Think of it this way. If your crippled for life and you learn there is a way to undo it but it's cost the life of someone else to do it. What would you do...Live your life as a cripple or do the procedure at the cost of someones life.
That's the extremes of her case. It's ether suffer for life or live happily as a monster.

Incorrect analogy. To be fair it would be far more correct to say that I would have to sacrifice over a thousand lives for mine. Also Morinth never had to kill.

[SandTrout]

unfringed wrote...

But would he be as much of a monster as someone who killed that person for sport?

No, but only by a few shades, because there is some practical utility in regaining the use ones legs. I'd still rather have 1 paralegic and 1 regular dude than just one regular dude, though.

[unfringed]

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

But would he be as much of a monster as someone who killed that person for sport?

No, but only by a few shades, because there is some practical utility in regaining the use ones legs. I'd still rather have 1 paralegic and 1 regular dude than just one regular dude, though.

That's the only point being made here.

[Valdrane78]

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I never said she was not. She is a monster, just not the embodiment of evil people think she is. She maybe evil and deserve to die but I feel that some sympathy is need. Her case is not so cut and dry.

You kept claiming she wasn't evil. There are different types of evil I know but each type of evil is no less evil at all. Morinth made her choice. She chose a path that she knew was monstrous and she became a monster. There is no sympathy for her. I have sympathy for her sisters but not for Morinth. 

No, I said she is not as evil people feel she is. That's not say she is not evil.Most of the reason she is like the way she is  not her choice. But the choices to kill is still her own and she does deserve judgement for it. But she still deserve simpathy because of her case.
If she become the way she is with out having her condition, then I would agree thats she is pure evil. But her condition is a factor, being that I fell that she is not purly evil. Hech, She can still find redemtion.

Okay let me get this straight. She is evil. A monster. She doesn't deserve Judgement but she deserves Sympathy

No offense. Your reasoning makes little sense. 

No, you got part of it wrong. She does desurve Judgement, she just also deserved some sympathy as well.

Any sympathy that she may have garnered from me was expunged when she began murdering people for her own pleasure.

[SandTrout]

unfringed wrote...

That's the only point being made here.

Except that Morinth is closer to the sport killer than the parapalegic.

[unfringed]

SandTrout wrote...

unfringed wrote...

That's the only point being made here.

Except that Morinth is closer to the sport killer than the parapalegic.

But still closer to the paraplegic than Hannibal Lecter is to the paraplegic.