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[dreman9999]

essarr71 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

You claim it's not about survival, then say she needs to do it to survive.

And your points have been brought up many times, by a few people. So, in regards to your example of a cripple being justified killing an innocent so they can be "normal" ill counter with my own example.

I had a rough week of work. To make myself feel better, I'll drink heavily at the bar tonight. On my way home, while quite drunk, I hit someone crossing the street and kill them. But it's ok that I did this.. I had a rough week and needed to drink.

What? i never siad she did it to survive. Reread what a wrote before, please.... You not understanding what i'M saying.
It's not the same as drinking....why? Not drinking does not leave you with a heavy life longer burden and suffering. You do it to make your self feel better. If you don't drink, does that mean you going to be miserable for your entire life? What ever pain you have to cause you the drink will go away even if you don't drink. Mornith, no matter what she does has her condition for life. It will never go away and she has to suffer from it for life and to not have sex because of it mean she has to suffer from it even more form the condition.
Your  comparison is not the same as what Mornith has.

And who is to say that being cripple means you'll be miserable your entire life as well?  I think my example holds up pretty well.  It's about being responsible.  Morinth, it seems, is justified to be brutal simply because she got dealt a bad hand.  It doesn't work that way.

The big issue here isn't the argument tho, it's the field.  If you want people to stop arguing about Morinths motivations, start talking about how Asari treat AY.  You've admitted that Morinth is a monster, so stop defending her actions.  You might understand why she did what she did.. and I garner that everyone here who disagrees with people who sympathize with her understands it too.  The problem is, she's not going to win anyone over by killing innocents.

Now if Morinth killed only other killers (ala Dexter) or if she limited her killing to the very old or sick, it might be a more gray area.  The fact is we KNOW she targets people who are filled with life and strength.  That's what attracts her.  We know she's indifferent about the consequences of her actions.

Imagine how much tricker the confrontation between Morinth and Samara would have been if both of them were two sides of the same coin.  One killing bad guys out of a pious code, rightous and absolute, the other doing it thru a carnal addition, brutal and deceptive.  It's not that way, tho.

(to extrapolate on Nef)
You claim her approuch is one of looking for a challenge.. as her dialogue with you suggests it appeals to her, but what challenge did a naive teenage girl pose to a hunter like Morinth?  What possible hurdles did she have to jump to win Nef over?  Nef had no shot from day one.  Morinth took her time because she enjoyed stretching it out.  Cat and mouse.

I clear you don't understand or can't understand the difficulties of being crippled. Think about notbe able to get up stairs,using a normal car, struggle to have a bath or use a bath room, and get to any high legde and you can quickly understand the difficulties of being a cripple. I never said they would be miserible for life, Just that they have a huge burden to live it. Just how much a berden Mornith hasliving with her condition.
As  said before, not drink is not a burden. You can have a normal life if you don't drink...even if you like drinking. Even if you want to drink beacuseyou had a hard day, not drinking at that time does not make your life more difficult, it adds no burden.
That why you comparison has no weight, not drinking adds no burden to your life.
And I never defended her actions, I just understood it.

As for Nef, I never said she approch people to murder looking for a challenge.  I just said the any other form of violence in her life out side of murder is only for  the  challenge of combat. Anything she did with Nef and anyone she murdered was for the sex. When she kills with violence, she does it in physical conflict. When she murders, she does it for the sex.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Yes, I have listen to her dialogue.. She tell you she likes going to dangrous place, she like dueling, she like overcoming opponets in contest.....That not being a serial killer. That someone who likes to fight and contest with people. Even if she likes killing them in the end, she still like to have the contest and the fight of the conflict.....And their is an entire planet filled with being that are like that...... If you feel that makes some one a murder, than you need to look up what a murder is.

Yeup.. quite the duel she had with Nef.  Can you give me another example where Morinth duels with her prey?

Wait ...What? I don't even understand your point?

Killing Nef was murder. Making Morinth a murderer. What's tough to understand here?

The dueling reference. I made a statement that if you cut out the fact Mornith kills with sex, their is nothing  to point to that states she is a murder and the fact that Dueling people to death is not murder and.....He/SHE brings up Morniths murder she did with sex.....How does that counter my point?

Morinth kills Samara. Murder. There you go.

Yes, killing someone who wants to kill you is Murder...That would make Shepard the worst murder of all.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:44 .

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I clear you don't understand or can't understand the difficulties of being crippled. Think about notbe able to get up stairs,using a normal car, struggle to have a bath or use a bath room, and get to any high legde and you can quickly understand the difficulties of being a cripple.

Can you understand the difficultiies of being crippled? If you've never been severly disabled like you're mentioning stop bringing it up.

If you work with them you would understand how difficult it is for them. I can atleast understand it a great berden to have and to decline any sorce of treatment to help them is very difficult for them. That is easily understandible. So don't tell me they would not see themselves being cripple as being a great burden.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, killing someone who wants to kill you is Murder...That would make Shepard the worst murder of all.

I disproved your previous argument of Morinth not being a murderer if you take away the sex.

How? You just said one word...False. Then you never added anything. Does gravity not work if you say it does not work?
My point is you never shown any proof to why it's false that if you take away the fact she kills with sex, their is nothing to point to that she is a murder.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:56 .

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I clear you don't understand or can't understand the difficulties of being crippled. Think about notbe able to get up stairs,using a normal car, struggle to have a bath or use a bath room, and get to any high legde and you can quickly understand the difficulties of being a cripple.

Can you understand the difficultiies of being crippled? If you've never been severly disabled like you're mentioning stop bringing it up.

If you work with them you would understand how difficult it is for them. I can atleast understand it a great berden to have and to decline any sorce of treatment to help them is very difficult for them. That is easily understandible. So don't tell me they would not see themselves being cripple as being a great burden.

And this is where you contradict yourself even more. You about me calling Morinth evil:"You can only say that cause your not in her shoes." So you're able to have an understanding of being crippled despite not actually being crippled but I can't have an understanding of being evil despite not being evil?

Again, I nevers aid she was not evil.. I'm just saying her condition left her little choice in the matter. Living a life were she has no intimacy is a huge burden and the other path avalible to her give her endless joy at the cost of someone elses life.  She has a choice of suffering for her entire life or joyfully being a monster. I can understand why she choose to be the monster. I'm not saying she should not be punishedfor it or she is not evil, just that I understand why she choose what she choose in her life, she had little choice.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yes, killing someone who wants to kill you is Murder...That would make Shepard the worst murder of all.

I disproved your previous argument of Morinth not being a murderer if you take away the sex.

How? You just said one word...False. Then you never added anything. Does gravity not work if you say it does not work?
My point is you never shown any proof to why it's false that if you take away the fact she kills with sex, their is nothing to point to that she is a murder.

I've given you an example of why it is false. She kills her mother with Biotics, not with sex. This is why your "Only kills people one way..sex" comment is false. 

And again, I state she killed someone who want to kill her...That's  self defence, not murder. How can you not understand killing is not the same as murder. Killing is not a crime, murder is.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 06:11 .

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And again, I state she killed someone who want to kill her...That's  self defence, not murder. How can you not understand killing is not the same as murder. Killing is not a crime, murder is.

You bringing this up means we've switched subjects. Even you aren't talking about murder when you read what I quoted you on. Again, Morinth does not KILL with ONLY biotics.

What is said is,"If you cut out the fact that she kills people with sex, you'll find that their is nothing to point to the shows she is a murder."
You just bring up a time she kills someone who is trying to kill her and call it murder when it's self defence.
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 06:34 .

[thatguy212]

I stopped paying attention to this thread for awhile, are you guys really debating whether she is a murderer or not? Of course she is, its kinda her thing

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And again, I state she killed someone who want to kill her...That's  self defence, not murder. How can you not understand killing is not the same as murder. Killing is not a crime, murder is.

You bringing this up means we've switched subjects. Even you aren't talking about murder when you read what I quoted you on. Again, Morinth does not KILL with ONLY biotics.

What is said is,"If you cut out the fact that she kills people with sex, you'll find that their is nothing to point to the shows she is a murder."
You just bring up a time she kills someone who is trying to kill her and call it murder when it self defence.
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

Now I get what you're saying. Still though, removing facts to fit you're argument doesn't work. I've said it before, what if scenarios are pointless. Morinth is a murderer. Taking away the sex does not disprove Morinth being a murderer.

I'm not removing facts. No matter what she is still a murder. The thing I'm just pointing to is just that she not doing it for the love of killing. She just wants the sex, it's just the fact that the sex kills the person and she doesn't care. That is neglect. That's the  only reason she is a serial killer is the fact that victems die because of the sex. Though as horrible as it is, she had little choice in the matter beacuse if she choose to not  let  her condition kill anyone, she would live a life without intimacy. So in the end her choice was suffer a life without being intimate or live joyfully as a monster. She is a victem to her own condition. But she is still evil,and deserve any punishment for her actions due to her gross neglect but she still does deserve some sympathey because of the limit of her choices....It anyone else was under the same burden, they may also choose what she choose as well, even ending their life over it.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 06:51 .

[dreman9999]

thatguy212 wrote...

I stopped paying attention to this thread for awhile, are you guys really debating whether she is a murderer or not? Of course she is, its kinda her thing

And Again, I never said she was not a murder.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Is using a spellchecker really too much to ask of the people here?

I can deal with grammatical issues just fine but dear Emperor at least TRY.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And again, I state she killed someone who want to kill her...That's  self defence, not murder. How can you not understand killing is not the same as murder. Killing is not a crime, murder is.

You bringing this up means we've switched subjects. Even you aren't talking about murder when you read what I quoted you on. Again, Morinth does not KILL with ONLY biotics.

What is said is,"If you cut out the fact that she kills people with sex, you'll find that their is nothing to point to the shows she is a murder."
You just bring up a time she kills someone who is trying to kill her and call it murder when it self defence.
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

Now I get what you're saying. Still though, removing facts to fit you're argument doesn't work. I've said it before, what if scenarios are pointless. Morinth is a murderer. Taking away the sex does not disprove Morinth being a murderer.

I'm not removing facts. No matter what she is still a murder. The thing I'm just pointing to is just that she not doing it for the love of killing. She just wants the sex, it's just the fact that the sex kills the person and she doesn't care. That is neglect. That's the  only reason she is a serial killer is the fact that victems die because of the sex. Though as horrible as it is, she had little choice in the matter beacuse if she choose to not  let  her condition kill anyone, she would live a life without intimacy. So in the end her choice was suffer a life without being intimate or live joyfully as a monster. She is a victem to her own condition. But she is still evil,and deserve any punishment for her actions due to her gross neglect but she still does deserve some sympathey because of the limit of her choices....It anyone else was under the same burden, they may also choose what she choose as well, even ending their life over it.

Yes Morinth deserves heaps of sympathy for choosing to become a ruthless serial killer.

 

[Pockles]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Is using a spellchecker really too much to ask of the people here?

I can deal with grammatical issues just fine but dear Emperor at least TRY.

My spelling is PERFECT. :innocent:

My posts get swamped in the others, though.

[dreman9999]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
And again, I state she killed someone who want to kill her...That's  self defence, not murder. How can you not understand killing is not the same as murder. Killing is not a crime, murder is.

You bringing this up means we've switched subjects. Even you aren't talking about murder when you read what I quoted you on. Again, Morinth does not KILL with ONLY biotics.

What is said is,"If you cut out the fact that she kills people with sex, you'll find that their is nothing to point to the shows she is a murder."
You just bring up a time she kills someone who is trying to kill her and call it murder when it self defence.
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying.

Now I get what you're saying. Still though, removing facts to fit you're argument doesn't work. I've said it before, what if scenarios are pointless. Morinth is a murderer. Taking away the sex does not disprove Morinth being a murderer.

I'm not removing facts. No matter what she is still a murder. The thing I'm just pointing to is just that she not doing it for the love of killing. She just wants the sex, it's just the fact that the sex kills the person and she doesn't care. That is neglect. That's the  only reason she is a serial killer is the fact that victems die because of the sex. Though as horrible as it is, she had little choice in the matter beacuse if she choose to not  let  her condition kill anyone, she would live a life without intimacy. So in the end her choice was suffer a life without being intimate or live joyfully as a monster. She is a victem to her own condition. But she is still evil,and deserve any punishment for her actions due to her gross neglect but she still does deserve some sympathey because of the limit of her choices....It anyone else was under the same burden, they may also choose what she choose as well, even ending their life over it.

Yes Morinth deserves heaps of sympathy for choosing to become a ruthless serial killer.

 

Nice way of ignoring that fact that her other choice was to live a life devoid of intimacy.

I'm not sympathetic that she became a serial killer, I'm sympathetic  because of the fact that she had little choice.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

I stopped paying attention to this thread for awhile, are you guys really debating whether she is a murderer or not? Of course she is, its kinda her thing

And Again, I never said she was not a murder.

Actually you've said it many times to prove some kind of point. What that point is eludes me. If you agree that she is a murderer then what are you debating?

That great burden can cause a person or people to act in great strife.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 07:25 .

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

I stopped paying attention to this thread for awhile, are you guys really debating whether she is a murderer or not? Of course she is, its kinda her thing

And Again, I never said she was not a murder.

Actually you've said it many times to prove some kind of point. What that point is eludes me. If you agree that she is a murderer then what are you debating?

That great burden can cause a person or people to act in great strife.

Life is a b**ch sometimes., I know that firsthand. That doesn't excuse Morinth's actions. You seem to agree on this so why you're debating still I'll never know. 

I know life is a ****. That thing with most problems in life, it gets better with time. Mornith's condition is not one of the things that get better or goes away. She has it for life. It was the main reason why she choose to live the way she does. That needs to be sympathized, the burden that gave her the push to her decision. Her actions of murder don't need to be sympathized, just that fact that her choice in the matter is limited.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:06 .