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[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

@Sandtrout

I again see only one major argument that you are holding too, and you haven't payed attention to Samara.

Your last line. I didn't pull it out of my as*, it is exactly what Samara says. Morinth was given choice of prison or death. Choosing freedom is choosing death. Samara said that by RUNNING away Morinth proved her addiction, which leads me to think that Samara and other justicars are idiots that don't deserve the authority they have.

Screwed up Justicar reasoning asside, Morinth proved them right in any case. She was an addict, and she was killing, and doing so in a way that compromised her own safety for the sake of her fix.

[BlueMagitek]

So why again does Morinth get to take everything out on people who had not done anything to her? She's not treating them fair at all.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

@Sandtrout

I again see only one major argument that you are holding too, and you haven't payed attention to Samara.

Your last line. I didn't pull it out of my as*, it is exactly what Samara says. Morinth was given choice of prison or death. Choosing freedom is choosing death. Samara said that by RUNNING away Morinth proved her addiction, which leads me to think that Samara and other justicars are idiots that don't deserve the authority they have.

Screwed up Justicar reasoning asside, Morinth proved them right in any case. She was an addict, and she was killing, and doing so in a way that compromised her own safety for the sake of her fix.

Wrong. She would take out Samara on her own evetlually and other Justicars and live peacefully. 

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

So why again does Morinth get to take everything out on people who had not done anything to her? She's not treating them fair at all.

Because she wasn't treated fair. Justicars had a choice when they thought about her case, they weren't presured. 
Morinth is hunted, she is under presure. How can you act fair when YOU are treated unfair?

[1136342t54_]

Why are you arguing with this person again? This is the same person who believes everyone else is at fault for Morinth killing them.

[BlueMagitek]

But Morinth is treating everyone unfairly, who once again have nothing to do with her. If you should hate anyone, based on your moral system you should hate her.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Wrong. She would take out Samara on her own evetlually and other Justicars and live peacefully.

You're deluding yourself.

1) She's not going to be able to kill every single justicar on her own.

2) She still is wanted by other authories for murder, meaning that in order for her to live completely in peace, she would need to kill every single asari law-enforcement agent in the galaxy.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

But Morinth is treating everyone unfairly, who once again have nothing to do with her. If you should hate anyone, based on your moral system you should hate her.

You have to start from the beggining not the middle. I have to deal with unfairness for Morinth for her to stop her unfairness. 

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Wrong. She would take out Samara on her own evetlually and other Justicars and live peacefully.

You're deluding yourself.

1) She's not going to be able to kill every single justicar on her own.

2) She still is wanted by other authories for murder, meaning that in order for her to live completely in peace, she would need to kill every single asari law-enforcement agent in the galaxy.

Well then she is going to need to stick with my Shepard, I will think of something. 

[BlueMagitek]

Except that AY are the beginning; they treated everyone unfairly by treating them, so Justicars have to make it fair for everyone by locking AY up. Therefore, you should root for the Justicars for keeping things fair.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except that AY are the beginning; they treated everyone unfairly by treating them, so Justicars have to make it fair for everyone by locking AY up. Therefore, you should root for the Justicars for keeping things fair.

Lol. But I already said that if AY were the ones ( first ) treating people unfair I would deal with them. But it means that AY are not to be locked up BEFORE they start killing. 

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

You have to start from the beggining not the middle. I have to deal with unfairness for Morinth for her to stop her unfairness.

Then hate the galaxy/god/fate/whatever for giving Morinth the condition. Those asari that were treating Morinth 'unfairly' were doing what they percieved to be the most practical and frair solution. Morinth is prevented from indulging her condition, and in exchance is kept safe and comfortable.

They were trying to prevent the unfairness forced on Morinth from being forced on others to sever powers of 10. You are contradicting your own expressed morality here.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Lol. But I already said that if AY were the ones ( first ) treating people unfair I would deal with them. But it means that AY are not to be locked up BEFORE they start killing. 

Considering that an AY is not known until the condition manifests (they kill their first mate), it makes sense to me that the kill came before the prison, even if it was unintentional.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Well then she is going to need to stick with my Shepard, I will think of something.

So she is still not free, she's just under Shepard's leash, not the Justicars'.

That seems unfair.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

You have to start from the beggining not the middle. I have to deal with unfairness for Morinth for her to stop her unfairness.

Then hate the galaxy/god/fate/whatever for giving Morinth the condition. Those asari that were treating Morinth 'unfairly' were doing what they percieved to be the most practical and frair solution. Morinth is prevented from indulging her condition, and in exchance is kept safe and comfortable.

They were trying to prevent the unfairness forced on Morinth from being forced on others to sever powers of 10. You are contradicting your own expressed morality here.

Removing the CHANCE of having problems with AY is not a justifoed reason to lock them up. Removing the problems that would be caused by AY that were treated fair would be.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except that AY are the beginning; they treated everyone unfairly by treating them, so Justicars have to make it fair for everyone by locking AY up. Therefore, you should root for the Justicars for keeping things fair.

Lol. But I already said that if AY were the ones ( first ) treating people unfair I would deal with them. But it means that AY are not to be locked up BEFORE they start killing. 

But they have earned it, henced all later AY must suffer.  You don't get the title "Demon of the Night Wind" by baking cookies for orphans. 

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Well then she is going to need to stick with my Shepard, I will think of something.

So she is still not free, she's just under Shepard's leash, not the Justicars'.

That seems unfair.

I meant that as what she would want to do. If she want's to leave Shepard, it's her choice. But then I won't protect her anymore. I am just trying to help and stop the stupid killing cicle that started with justicars. Maybe I could influance the whole thing on a greater level, Shepard does have a lot of authority after all.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

But they have earned it, henced all later AY must suffer.  You don't get the title "Demon of the Night Wind" by baking cookies for orphans. 

I perfectly understand that they are capable. But you have to give a chance to EVERY AY individual BEFORE imprisoning them. Everybody is different.

Having every AY wear a T-shirt saying: I'm an AY. Would also help btw. But society should treat them with respect, and care, because it's not an easy life for them, instead of going a mile away, because it is dangerous.

Not to mention that AY would make perfect justicars themselves. Giving their life away for the greater good and having no possesion, following the code.

Modifié par D.Kain, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:15 .

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Removing the CHANCE of having problems with AY is not a justifoed reason to lock them up. Removing the problems that would be caused by AY that were treated fair would be.

They have thousands of years of experience in dealing with god-only-knows how many AY. It's a crappy situation, but honestly, I think they are doing their best with the hand dealt. Morinth, however, is dealing with the situation in the worst manner possible.

You're morality that being treated unfairly automatically justifies murder is still completely messed up.

[dreman9999]

To add to this long debate... I would have to say it would not matter that Mornith escaped. It was never about her escaping, just the fact that she was dangerous and could kill alot of people. The reason why Mornith and other like her were offered the monastery to stay at is because it would make her condition easier to deal with then stay with common people. Any form of intimacy runs the risk of sex and being a race that can be attracted to anyone, being with other people is that much difficult. Being in the open and not having sex do to the condition is no different than being locked up in the monastery, they are still imprisoned by the condition they have. Being in the open with the condition would make it worse. It would be like locking a former crack addict in a room filled with crack..

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Removing the CHANCE of having problems with AY is not a justifoed reason to lock them up. Removing the problems that would be caused by AY that were treated fair would be.

They have thousands of years of experience in dealing with god-only-knows how many AY. It's a crappy situation, but honestly, I think they are doing their best with the hand dealt. Morinth, however, is dealing with the situation in the worst manner possible.

You're morality that being treated unfairly automatically justifies murder is still completely messed up.

God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions? 

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works. 

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

To add to this long debate... I would have to say it would not matter that Mornith escaped. It was never about her escaping, just the fact that she was dangerous and could kill alot of people. The reason why Mornith and other like her were offered the monastery to stay at is because it would make her condition easier to deal with then stay with common people. Any form of intimacy runs the risk of sex and being a race that can be attracted to anyone, being with other people is that much difficult. Being in the open and not having sex do to the condition is no different than being locked up in the monastery, they are still imprisoned by the condition they have. Being in the open with the condition would make it worse. It would be like locking a former crack addict in a room filled with crack..

If I was an AY, and I saw that people respect me even though I am dangerous and that people trust me, and they wish me well. I would do my best to never hurt anyone. And I would always warn everybody that I am an AY.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
YES, she could have live a life forced on her, alianated from the rest of the universe with the only people she could interact with is her sisters, which is limited to the intimacy of family. And yes, she does think is a burden, she make it clear when her mother tell her she always has a choice.

Proof?

What choice? The only choice I had was to be born with the ''gifts'' you gave me. I can't stop from being your daughter mother!

She said that pretty pissed off.