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[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions? 

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works. 

So by your logic Nef deserved the unfair fate that was cast upon her. Because Morinth's life was unfair it was fair to kill Nef. Wow your morality really is kind of twisted.

Noo, Nef probably didn't deserve it ( even though I don't know nothing about her, and maybe she did... ) But Morinth is not the one to blame.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
YES, she could have live a life forced on her, alianated from the rest of the universe with the only people she could interact with is her sisters, which is limited to the intimacy of family. And yes, she does think is a burden, she make it clear when her mother tell her she always has a choice.

Proof?

Samara:"You made your choice long ago"

Mornith: "What choice!? My only crime is being born with the gifts YOU gave me!"

[D.Kain]

There is one torture, this is how it is made:

A rat is put on persons belly and is covered with an iron bowl, then the bowl is being heated and the rat starts to scratch her way through the persons belly. And if he doesn't talk the rat rips his belly appart to get away from the heat and goes inside killing the person.

Blaming Morinth is like blaming that rat for killing that person.

Modifié par D.Kain, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:30 .

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions?

They wouldn't have a name like Ardat Yakshi if Samara's daughters were the only ones. We also do not know exactly how many AY exist due to all confirmed cases being isolated ASAP. Also, since AY are only produced by a 'pure blood' couple, there were likely far more AY in Asari history than currently are, now that they have a cultural practice of breeding with other species.

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works.

Because this is a morality discusion at this point. Also, even by your logic, she would only be justified in treating others as unfairly as she was being treated. The logic of "She was offered a gilded cage, therefore she has the right to murder hundreds" doesn't work.

Yes, I can understand why Morinth is the way she is, but that doesn't make it justified. She made her choices, as poor as the options were, and forces the consequences on hundreds of others who had nothing to do with it.

Modifié par SandTrout, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:31 .

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions? 

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works. 

So by your logic Nef deserved the unfair fate that was cast upon her. Because Morinth's life was unfair it was fair to kill Nef. Wow your morality really is kind of twisted.

Noo, Nef probably didn't deserve it ( even though I don't know nothing about her, and maybe she did... ) But Morinth is not the one to blame.

Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait..........Mornith is to blame for her death. She killed her. Her condition may of pushed her down that road, but every act she makes because of her choice is her responsibility. I can sympathies with why  she choose her path, but I can't with her act of murder.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions? 

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works. 

So by your logic Nef deserved the unfair fate that was cast upon her. Because Morinth's life was unfair it was fair to kill Nef. Wow your morality really is kind of twisted.

Noo, Nef probably didn't deserve it ( even though I don't know nothing about her, and maybe she did... ) But Morinth is not the one to blame.

Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait..........Mornith is to blame for her death. She killed her. Her condition may of pushed her down that road, but every act she makes because of her choice is her responsibility. I can sympathies with why  she choose her path, but I can't with her act of murder.

Read the rat analogy above.

[MagicGis]

Ok but to bring it back on the topic ^^... you shouldnt be punished for picking morinth, maybe she should turn against you if you do something specific (same samara would) but normally being onesided punished in decisions would be pretty bad designe.

Btw, while I agree Morinth is a serial killer, and she probably should be locked up...if she wouldnt be such a help for me (same jack). But I still consider her less problematic than samara. Which is in my opinion the most dangerous person in the whole crew...maybe besides the doc..

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

There is one torture, this is how it is made:

A rat is put on persons belly and is covered with an iron bowl, then the bowl is being heated and the rat starts to scratch her way through the persons belly. And if he doesn't talk the rat rips his belly appart to get away from the heat and goes inside killing the person.

Blaming Morinth is like blaming that rat for killing that person.

Not the same thing. That rat was trying to live. Mornith just trying not to let her burden control her life. What make her a murder is the herjoy of life...sex...Kills people.

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions?

They wouldn't have a name like Ardat Yakshi if Samara's daughters were the only ones. We also do not know exactly how many AY exist due to all confirmed cases being isolated ASAP. Also, since AY are only produced by a 'pure blood' couple, there were likely far more AY in Asari history than currently are, now that they have a cultural practice of breeding with other species.

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works.

Because this is a morality discusion at this point. Also, even by your logic, she would only be justified in treating others as unfairly as she was being treated. The logic of "She was offered a gilded cage, therefore she has the right to murder hundreds" doesn't work.

Yes, I can understand why Morinth is the way she is, but that doesn't make it justified. She made her choices, as poor as the options were, and forces the consequences on hundreds of others who had nothing to do with it.

In my eyes Justicars made the consequences, Morinth is just in the middle of it. 

But actually think about it. Asari did mate only with Asari for some time. You think that they always locked them up? Maybe they lived just like the other Asari, sometimes causing problems. But know that they can interbreed, they don't want to think about their right at all, because they are rare, and because they don't want to think about it anymore.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
But Morinth is not the one to blame.

*Sigh* Yes she is. I'm not even sure how you can come up with this conclusion when Morinth herself doesn't cast blame on others for her actions.

Morinth just doesn't care anymore. 

I'm always fine Shepard...

It's like she doesn't believe that anything can ever be good for her. She gave up and doesn't see the solution. She just is.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

There is one torture, this is how it is made:

A rat is put on persons belly and is covered with an iron bowl, then the bowl is being heated and the rat starts to scratch her way through the persons belly. And if he doesn't talk the rat rips his belly appart to get away from the heat and goes inside killing the person.

Blaming Morinth is like blaming that rat for killing that person.

This is a completely false analogy. Her killing does not enable her freedom, not do the Justicars intentionally set up a victims to be targeted by the AY.

If you change the heated bowl into a comfortable cage with food, water, and bedding for the rat, but the rat claws through the belly anyways while fully aware that it is killing someone, then you might have a decent analogy.

You yourself have claimed that Morinth isn't a 'mindless addict' (very few addicts are, anyways), so don't compare her to a rat that is not aware of the consequences of its actions and expect it to hold water.

[TobyHasEyes]

D.Kain wrote...

There is one torture, this is how it is made:

A rat is put on persons belly and is covered with an iron bowl, then the bowl is being heated and the rat starts to scratch her way through the persons belly. And if he doesn't talk the rat rips his belly appart to get away from the heat and goes inside killing the person.

Blaming Morinth is like blaming that rat for killing that person.

 Um.. the only way that analogy could fit Morinth was if the bowl the rat was in wasn't heated, and was fitted out so as to accomodate for a normal, if solitary, rat life.. and assuming the rat is aware that the belly in question belongs to a person who would suffer greatly from it being ripped through

 In which case I would judge the rat's actions as morally impermissable

 ^..beaten to it..^

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:38 .

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D.Kain wrote...
In my eyes Justicars made the consequences, Morinth is just in the middle of it. 

But actually think about it. Asari did mate only with Asari for some time. You think that they always locked them up? Maybe they lived just like the other Asari, sometimes causing problems. But know that they can interbreed, they don't want to think about their right at all, because they are rare, and because they don't want to think about it anymore.

They explicitly explained what happened when Ardat Yakshi was set loose among Asari. Many of them were worshipped and some caused great destruction. They were worshipped as Demons of destruction. There is a reason why Ardat Yakshi are imprisoned. Its not because of the Justicar. Its because Asari realized they can't let such destructive beings loose and have the rest of the galaxy know how truly dangerous Asari can really be.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions? 

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works. 

So by your logic Nef deserved the unfair fate that was cast upon her. Because Morinth's life was unfair it was fair to kill Nef. Wow your morality really is kind of twisted.

Noo, Nef probably didn't deserve it ( even though I don't know nothing about her, and maybe she did... ) But Morinth is not the one to blame.

Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait....Wait..........Mornith is to blame for her death. She killed her. Her condition may of pushed her down that road, but every act she makes because of her choice is her responsibility. I can sympathies with why  she choose her path, but I can't with her act of murder.

Read the rat analogy above.

I did ...not the same thing. I understand her condition pushed he to her life style. It was ether live a life with out intimacy or live a life of a monster joyfully but she would not die if she did not have intimacy. She may go mad, but she would not die. I can understand why she choose the life she live but I can't sympithies with the fact that she kill through neglect. She does not have to kill, but not kill she would lose way more in life. That rat, if he did not kill, he would die from the heat.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

There is one torture, this is how it is made:

A rat is put on persons belly and is covered with an iron bowl, then the bowl is being heated and the rat starts to scratch her way through the persons belly. And if he doesn't talk the rat rips his belly appart to get away from the heat and goes inside killing the person.

Blaming Morinth is like blaming that rat for killing that person.

Not the same thing. That rat was trying to live. Mornith just trying not to let her burden control her life. What make her a murder is the herjoy of life...sex...Kills people.

Sex makes her stronger, makes her be able to fight off people when she is all alone in the galaxy. Does she enjoy it? Sure, why not. Is it her primery goal? Nope.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Morinth just doesn't care anymore.

And not caring makes it ok?

I'm always fine Shepard...

It's like she doesn't believe that anything can ever be good for her. She gave up and doesn't see the solution. She just is.

She ignored the available solutions in order to indulge her condition.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

God knows how many? Samara know only her three daughters in all her life. How many Asari are there? Trilions?

They wouldn't have a name like Ardat Yakshi if Samara's daughters were the only ones. We also do not know exactly how many AY exist due to all confirmed cases being isolated ASAP. Also, since AY are only produced by a 'pure blood' couple, there were likely far more AY in Asari history than currently are, now that they have a cultural practice of breeding with other species.

And why would a person that is being treated unfair treat others fair? Did the: What comes around goes around. Suddenly go away? It's how it works, it's how nature of relationships works.

Because this is a morality discusion at this point. Also, even by your logic, she would only be justified in treating others as unfairly as she was being treated. The logic of "She was offered a gilded cage, therefore she has the right to murder hundreds" doesn't work.

Yes, I can understand why Morinth is the way she is, but that doesn't make it justified. She made her choices, as poor as the options were, and forces the consequences on hundreds of others who had nothing to do with it.

In my eyes Justicars made the consequences, Morinth is just in the middle of it. 

But actually think about it. Asari did mate only with Asari for some time. You think that they always locked them up? Maybe they lived just like the other Asari, sometimes causing problems. But know that they can interbreed, they don't want to think about their right at all, because they are rare, and because they don't want to think about it anymore.

The justicars are not the blame ether. Their job is to punish the wicked not kill AY. Samara did not become a justicar just so she is allowed to kill Mornith. She became a justicar so that at the time she need to kill Mornith she would not hesitate and back off from it.

[D.Kain]

Lol So many negative replies.

Ok EVERYBODY, answer a question for me:

Is it ok to lock up dangerous ( but for the moment innocent ) people up for other peoples safety?

[SandTrout]

dreman9999 wrote...

The justicars are not the blame ether. Their job is to punish the wicked not kill AY. Samara did not become a justicar just so she is allowed to kill Mornith. She became a justicar so that at the time she need to kill Mornith she would not hesitate and back off from it.

Along these same lines, I wonder if the Justicar Code specifically referrs to AY. I actually doubt it, and I would assume that AY would be covered under provisions for murderers.

That would mean that if Morinth had simply escaped and remained celebate, then the Justicar code would not have required her death. Granted, we're lacking on the specifics here, but since Justicar duties are much more general than specifically dealing with AY, it would make sense to me.

[SandTrout]

D.Kain wrote...

Is it ok to lock up dangerous ( but for the moment innocent ) people up for other peoples safety?

Yes, provided adquate evidence that they are a danger to society.