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[AlexXIV]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
I believe that those 99.9% would go down quickly if people cared for AY. And if and AY kills it should be treated with regret with sympathy. That AY should be put down, and other AY should be shown how unfortunate it is and how unhappy it makes other people, and they are respected and loved for holding themselves together.

Your right. Plus I think we should forget about the victim of the accidental melding. In fact we should blame it all on the victim of the murder. In fact the victim effectively committed suicide by being around the AY.

Yeah because it's not like even normal Asari have a way to seduce people. So there is really no reason why anyone should even have a relationship with ... say ... Liara ...

[D.Kain]

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 What in your mind is different between being seperated from society and the isolation imposed on the AY?

 Because, as in the above example, if the individuals offenses can be (within reason) guaranteed to occur, you suggest that they should be killed or "completely seperate them from society"

 Entertaining the idea that the AY's offenses can be (within reason) guaranteed to occur, then you appear to support them being seperated from society.. presuming (as would seem to be the case) there is no way of society adjusting to guarantee safety from the AY's condition (as rebreathers would suggest)

 Granted you might not believe that the AY's offenses are as guaranteed as in the case I described above, however the point I made was that we do not know enough to say either way, so what I am suggesting is that if it is the case that they are determined, then what?

By separation I meant a free society constructed from only AY with their own cities and entartaiment, maybe a whole planet. Like not a place where they are just going to be underground, but a place that is no different than the original society but has individuals that are equal. That is probably impossible. That's why I said scratch seperation afterwards.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Had to step away to finish some school work. D.Kain still in denial?

We just came to a conclusion that what I want is utopic and that society is a stupid place to begin with. 

I am beggining to think about joining the reapers...

[AlexXIV]

D.Kain wrote...

TobyHasEyes wrote...

 What in your mind is different between being seperated from society and the isolation imposed on the AY?

 Because, as in the above example, if the individuals offenses can be (within reason) guaranteed to occur, you suggest that they should be killed or "completely seperate them from society"

 Entertaining the idea that the AY's offenses can be (within reason) guaranteed to occur, then you appear to support them being seperated from society.. presuming (as would seem to be the case) there is no way of society adjusting to guarantee safety from the AY's condition (as rebreathers would suggest)

 Granted you might not believe that the AY's offenses are as guaranteed as in the case I described above, however the point I made was that we do not know enough to say either way, so what I am suggesting is that if it is the case that they are determined, then what?

By separation I meant a free society constructed from only AY with their own cities and entartaiment, maybe a whole planet. Like not a place where they are just going to be underground, but a place that is no different than the original society but has individuals that are equal. That is probably impossible. That's why I said scratch seperation afterwards.

2 problems with that. Ardat-Yakshi are infertile. And Ardat-Yakshi are extremely rare. There's probably not more than a dozen or two known in the whole galaxy, of which Morinth was probably the only one known to be running free.

[1136342t54_]

Oh yeah your trolling now. I'm out.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Man i want a copy of D.Kain's game, There seem to me a lot more things happening in that game than any other copy of Mass Effect 2.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Oh yeah your trolling now. I'm out.

No seriously if society doesn't want to change, it basically deserves everything it gets. If asari don't want to solve problems with AY by not treating them like they are less than asari, they deserve everything they get out of it.

But yeah, a litle above there I made a joke, don't freak out. 

Modifié par D.Kain, 01 octobre 2011 - 11:54 .

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Man i want a copy of D.Kain's game, There seem to me a lot more things happening in that game than any other copy of Mass Effect 2.

Maybe he's got some additional DLC that everyone else doesn't have or something.

Must be the one in which the protagonist is an Ardat-Yakshi who is hunted unjustly by Justicars.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Oh yeah your trolling now. I'm out.

No seriously if society doesn't want to change, it basically deserves everything it gets. If asari don't want to solve problems with AY by not treating them like they are less than asari, they deserve everything they get out of it.

But yeah, a litle above there I made a joke, don't freak out. 

"That is a joke."-EDI

Not the bold part is not a joke. The other comment i mean't. lol

[Anacronian Stryx]

jreezy wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Man i want a copy of D.Kain's game, There seem to me a lot more things happening in that game than any other copy of Mass Effect 2.

Maybe he's got some additional DLC that everyone else doesn't have or something.

Yes the famed Fanfiction DLC.

[D.Kain]

AlexXIV wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Man i want a copy of D.Kain's game, There seem to me a lot more things happening in that game than any other copy of Mass Effect 2.

Maybe he's got some additional DLC that everyone else doesn't have or something.

Must be the one in which the protagonist is an Ardat-Yakshi who is hunted unjustly by Justicars.

You guys crack me up. 

[D.Kain]

It's actually funny how people told me that problem isn't meant to be solved and that society isn't going to change, and that AY will never be treated equally. And yet that is the reason Morinth has do die. Pretty much what she said, asari are not ready to accept her so she must die.

[AlexXIV]

D.Kain wrote...

It's actually funny how people told me that problem isn't meant to be solved and that society isn't going to change, and that AY will never be treated equally. And yet that is the reason Morinth has do die. Pretty much what she said, asari are not ready to accept her so she must die.

Well if accepting her means to accept that she is going around killing people then I agree with the Asari not accepting her.

[D.Kain]

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

It's actually funny how people told me that problem isn't meant to be solved and that society isn't going to change, and that AY will never be treated equally. And yet that is the reason Morinth has do die. Pretty much what she said, asari are not ready to accept her so she must die.

Well if accepting her means to accept that she is going around killing people then I agree with the Asari not accepting her.

No that means accepting her before she started killing, for her to not even start killing.

Modifié par D.Kain, 02 octobre 2011 - 12:12 .

[1136342t54_]

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

It's actually funny how people told me that problem isn't meant to be solved and that society isn't going to change, and that AY will never be treated equally. And yet that is the reason Morinth has do die. Pretty much what she said, asari are not ready to accept her so she must die.

Well if accepting her means to accept that she is going around killing people then I agree with the Asari not accepting her.

Just don't. There is no point in arguing with this person.

Going directly back to topic there should be no real repercussions for letting Morinth go other than many other people dying because of her. There is a Galactic war going on so I doubt she would tracking Shepard down again anytime soon.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Going directly back to topic there should be no real repercussions for letting Morinth go other than many other people dying because of her. There is a Galactic war going on so I doubt she would tracking Shepard down again anytime soon.

Ok going on the original topic then. Do you think that she will be gone after ME2 and will never meet Shepard again?

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In order words, you think that a perceived threat to someone's freedom justifies that person killing as many innocent people as they feel necessary to "fight back". 

Yeah I do, if it is nescecery. Anyone who isn't happy should blame Templars and Justicars or even themselves.

So instead of fighting their oppressors, instead of fighting back against the people hurting or imprisoning them, they should lash out at random innocent strangers?  That's what you're saying, that the innocent and the uninvolved are better targets than the people responsible... 

That's what Morinth did. 

That's what Anders did. 

And in the real world, that's what people who blow up pizzarias and busses full of families and old women and kids on their way to school or the mall do. 

You wouldn't happen to live in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or "Palestine", would you, D Kain? 

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

So instead of fighting their oppressors, instead of fighting back against the people hurting or imprisoning them, they should lash out at random innocent strangers?  That's what you're saying, that the innocent and the uninvolved are better targets than the people responsible... 

That's what Morinth did. 

That's what Anders did. 

And in the real world, that's what people who blow up pizzarias and busses full of families and old women and kids on their way to school or the mall do. 

You wouldn't happen to live in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or "Palestine", would you, D Kain? 

Well if it helps you to fight opresors that's what you do. If a random person has a gun you can mug them take the gun and fight the opressors with that gun. In Morinth's case it is the power she get's. In Anders case it is the chantry that actually even orginised the templars, so blowing it up starts revolts in othere mages towers, and it works just fine. 

I am from Latvia. that is Europe, so no. But I do believe that US sticks it's nose in a lot of things that are not their business. How else do you want people in Iraq to defend their home going to full assault war when US has better weapons and tech? Ofcourse the only way they can do atleast something is by blowing up stuff terrorist style. 

Is it good? No it's horrible, but again they do it out of desperation. 

[1136342t54_]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...


So instead of fighting their oppressors, instead of fighting back against the people hurting or imprisoning them, they should lash out at random innocent strangers?  That's what you're saying, that the innocent and the uninvolved are better targets than the people responsible... 

That's what Morinth did. 

That's what Anders did. 

And in the real world, that's what people who blow up pizzarias and busses full of families and old women and kids on their way to school or the mall do. 

You wouldn't happen to live in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or "Palestine", would you, D Kain? 

To be honest Anders has at least a bit more of a better reason since he is technically correct. The Circles the way they are isn't the best answer. Plus he has a freaking spirit of vengeance inside of him screwing his personality even further. His reasons in many ways can be seen as Noble while Morinth's reasons were horrible to begin with.

Edit: Anders did it as a selfless act (no matter how horrible it was) its not as bad as Morinth's purely selfish choice.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 02 octobre 2011 - 01:03 .

[silentassassin264]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

In order words, you think that a perceived threat to someone's freedom justifies that person killing as many innocent people as they feel necessary to "fight back". 

Yeah I do, if it is nescecery. Anyone who isn't happy should blame Templars and Justicars or even themselves.

So instead of fighting their oppressors, instead of fighting back against the people hurting or imprisoning them, they should lash out at random innocent strangers?  That's what you're saying, that the innocent and the uninvolved are better targets than the people responsible... 

That's what Morinth did. 

That's what Anders did. 

And in the real world, that's what people who blow up pizzarias and busses full of families and old women and kids on their way to school or the mall do. 

You wouldn't happen to live in Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or Yemen, or "Palestine", would you, D Kain? 

Lol no.  Morinth did involve innocents in her problem but Anders did not.  Then Chantry and by existension, Elthina and everyone else in there who worked for the Chantry, persecute mages and undermind any means of mages overcoming the stigma attached to them by preaching that magic is evil and mages should be confined for their own good.  The templars get their mandate to be jerks from the Chantry.  Anders blowing up the Chantry was directly attacking his enemy.  Anders is nothing like Morinth.  Do not even try to make that argument if you want people to take you seriously.

[Anacronian Stryx]

D.Kain wrote...

It's actually funny how people told me that problem isn't meant to be solved and that society isn't going to change, and that AY will never be treated equally. And yet that is the reason Morinth has do die. Pretty much what she said, asari are not ready to accept her so she must die.

No Morinth has to die because she is a freaking murder and she will continue to murder people, Her sisters live in seclusion for their own benefit and the benefit of society and whatever idiotic fantasy you're cooking up you still have to face the fact that Asari society does accept Morinth's sisters even though they live in seclusion(not jail - seclusion).

Is the fact that they are born with a disease tragic - yes but sometimes society have to seclude people who are a threat to society, This is not "Not treating them as equally" it is just the way things are.

Just like we here today would seclude somebody with a highly dangerous contagious disease - It is not treating them as lesser beings it is just F****** necessary.