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[SandTrout]

@Dunstan,

You're still not explaining why you are categorizing the Rachni Queen as a monster, leaving us to assume that it is simply the instinctive fear of giant arthropods.

[Swimming Ferret]

I'm gonna let Morinth be my assassin in ME3 with my renegade Femshep. Kelly is the first victim >:3

[didymos1120]

Dunstan wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

I thought this would be about the Rachni Queen.
Trusting a monster who's race threatened hundreds of thousands across numerous species seems more punishable than trusting one Ardat Yakshi.

And how exactly is the queen a monster?  She was an egg during the Rachni Wars, and the only thing she ever "did" was get hatched in a Binary Helix lab and forced to produce offspring.  Are you basing that characterization solely on the fact that she looks like a giant arthropod?

Both Morinth and the Rachni Queen are monsters in my eyes.

That's a non-answer.  I already know that.  What I asked was why is the Rachni Queen a monster?  On what basis have you made that judgment?

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

I thought this would be about the Rachni Queen.
Trusting a monster who's race threatened hundreds of thousands across numerous species seems more punishable than trusting one Ardat Yakshi.

And how exactly is the queen a monster?  She was an egg during the Rachni Wars, and the only thing she ever "did" was get hatched in a Binary Helix lab and forced to produce offspring.  Are you basing that characterization solely on the fact that she looks like a giant arthropod?

Both Morinth and the Rachni Queen are monsters in my eyes.

That's a non-answer.  I already know that.  What I asked was why is the Rachni Queen a monster?  On what basis have you made that judgment?

To his defense, the Rachni have been a threat in the past. Mind you they were indoctrinated then, but if you'd run into a werewolf in real life you may not have the time to figure out if it is a classic bloodthirsty werewolf or a modern 'nice' one. Shoot first, ask questions later. Personally I let her go. Because I usually don't kill things (even in a game) without a good reason, but I am not so certain that letting her go was actually the smart choice. 

Modifié par AlexXIV, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[Swimming Ferret]

Dunstan wrote...

That, and I hate insects.

You humans are all racist!

Or just a few :/

Modifié par Swimming Ferret, 26 septembre 2011 - 10:31 .

[SandTrout]

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...
That's never confirmed.

I think the asari messenger hinted at something like it, though.

That the rachni were forced to war by the Reapers.

[Swimming Ferret]

SandTrout wrote...

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

Me, I picked Morinth on my Renegade Femshep run through. One, I couldn't be bothered have a smack down with Samara in ME3 for acting like a psycho, and two, I actually liked Morinth in a weird way. She was the ultimate Black Widow. And my Femshep approved. Her, Jack and Morinth are total bros. Also, I wanna see what happens in ME3 with her, as all my other playthroughs had Samara live.

[AlexXIV]

jreezy wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

I thought this would be about the Rachni Queen.
Trusting a monster who's race threatened hundreds of thousands across numerous species seems more punishable than trusting one Ardat Yakshi.

And how exactly is the queen a monster?  She was an egg during the Rachni Wars, and the only thing she ever "did" was get hatched in a Binary Helix lab and forced to produce offspring.  Are you basing that characterization solely on the fact that she looks like a giant arthropod?

Both Morinth and the Rachni Queen are monsters in my eyes.

That's a non-answer.  I already know that.  What I asked was why is the Rachni Queen a monster?  On what basis have you made that judgment?

To his defense, the Rachni have been a threat in the past. Mind you they were indoctrinated then, but if you'd run into a werewolf in real life you may not have the time to figure out if it is a classic bloodthirsty werewolf or a modern 'nice' one. Shoot first, ask questions later. Personally I let her go. Because I usually don't kill things (even in a game) without a good reason, but I am not so certain that letting her go was actually the smart choice. 

That's never confirmed.

Well if the Reapers are behind it you won't find alot of evidence or people who would believe you considering the Council officially denies the knowledge about Reapers in general. I don't remember exactly where it is said though, but someone stated that the Reapers caused the Rachni Wars by manipulating them.

[didymos1120]

AlexXIV wrote...

Mind you they were indoctrinated then, but if you'd run into a werewolf in real life you may not have the time to figure out if it is a classic bloodthirsty werewolf or a modern 'nice' one. Shoot first, ask questions later.

That analogy doesn't work.  The werewolf isn't trapped in a box it can't get out of.  Also, is the first thing the werewolf does when you get close to said box is to try to start up a conversation?

[SandTrout]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well if the Reapers are behind it you won't find alot of evidence or people who would believe you considering the Council officially denies the knowledge about Reapers in general. I don't remember exactly where it is said though, but someone stated that the Reapers caused the Rachni Wars by manipulating them.

The only serrious hint we have that the Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars is the Queen stating that "The songs of my sisters were soured" or something along those lines. Reaper involvement is never explicitly stated, and the Queen might just be trying to cover her butt so that you'll spare her.

[didymos1120]

Dunstan wrote...

I don't believe the Rachni Queen will stay true to her word.
And if all she has known of man since she hatched is that man forces her to produce offspring for their own research and experiments, why wouldn't she want revenge.

OK, fine.  Still doesn't explain why she's a monster in the moral sense.  You have nothing upon which to base that judgment.  She literally hasn't done anything to anyone, ever.  She's been in that lab, and probably that cage, for her entire life.

Modifié par didymos1120, 26 septembre 2011 - 11:05 .

[didymos1120]

SandTrout wrote...

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

OK:  Your goal is to roleplay an idiot. 

[AlexXIV]

didymos1120 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Mind you they were indoctrinated then, but if you'd run into a werewolf in real life you may not have the time to figure out if it is a classic bloodthirsty werewolf or a modern 'nice' one. Shoot first, ask questions later.

That analogy doesn't work.  The werewolf isn't trapped in a box it can't get out of.  Also, is the first thing the werewolf does when you get close to said box is to try to start up a conversation?

I think it works if you see it in a bigger picture. You can't tell if she's lying or honest. And you can't tell if more people get killed if you let her go. You can't even tell if she won't turn on you again. You can believe her of course, but at the risk of the life of others. She also tells you that she is the last of her kind, but after freeing her I still met agressive Rachni on a planet that attacked alliance soldiers. I think they are really tricky, and not killing the Queen on the spot could be a problem not only for Shepard, but the whole galaxy.

Of course I speak from a point of view that does not include metagaming. Of course I know that in a game they wouldn't make a big deal out of it, since the consequences of a new Rachni war could fill a whole game. But Shepard, at this point in front of the Rachni Queen has no idea what is happening if he/she lets her go. It is actually almost a Renegade decision to let her go. I mean the Council is against it, the Alliance would probably be against it, and I am pretty sure the large part of the civilians in the whole galaxy would be against it.

To let her go is a very lonely Shepard decision.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well I suppose they could have a consequence where the Asari found out you got one of their Justicar (who are like Asari Spectres) killed and kept a dangerous serial killer/Ardat-Yakshi alive and they get angry at you and it makes it slightly harder to get them to help you in ME 3.

[Someone With Mass]

Dunstan wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

1. Dominate.
2. Samara may (but I highly doubt it) try to kill a Renegade Shepard in ME3.
3. For variety.
4. Some may believe that an Ardat Yakshi's ability to "persaude" will come in handy.
5. Some people may think that youth is more valuable than experience.

Those are the best I could come up with, but all 5 are pretty weak really.

Not to mention that #1 can be achieved by saving the game before confronting Morinth in her room, then choose her in the fight, get Dominate and then reload and pick Samara and still have Dominate as bonus power available at all times.

[AlexXIV]

SkittlesKat96 wrote...

Well I suppose they could have a consequence where the Asari found out you got one of their Justicar (who are like Asari Spectres) killed and kept a dangerous serial killer/Ardat-Yakshi alive and they get angry at you and it makes it slightly harder to get them to help you in ME 3.

Assuming they find out. Morinth disguises as Samara after her death, and I don't know who could find out what really happened.