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[D.Kain]

Seriously ME2 is just not enough. Let's scratch this argument and wait for ME3 so that we all find out what Morinth is really about ( given that bioware would want to tell us. )

[AlexXIV]

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Well I'm not trying to say his bad, again I actually DO understand why he is the way he is. I said that by your logic he is evil. But for some reason HERE you can undersatnd why Thane is the way he is, but you can't understand Morinth. 

Thane was basically a government Assassin who killed threats to the Hanar and soon started killing the murderers of his Wife. Its not good but it is definitely not evil Thane doesn't do it for the kicks. The only time he took pleasure in it was when he tortured the pirates and slavers who killed his wife. Morinth kills for pleasure and because she is a addict.

Point being you don't have an either-or decision with Thane. I mean you can take him or leave him. With Morinth you decide whether you kill her or Samara. Also Thane shows remorse, something Morinth never did and never will do. She feels perfectly justified to do what she does, she likes being who she is and doing what she is doing.

And yes, Thane is a murderer. And Cerberus are terrorists.

Valid point sure. So would you kill Thane if you had a chance? If not you are a hipocrite.

No I wouldn't because he does not kill for fun and he does have a conscience, unlike Morinth. Also I probably would not kill Morinth if I wouldn't have to choose between her and Samara. If I could only take Morinth I would take her to the Collector Base where she would unluckily die because Miranda is not as good a biotic as she thinks and the shield breaks down too early.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

I say what I heard from that narrative, and what it tells me.

No you don't. When you hear Morinth say "I love it when playing a game when the opponent thinks he will win right before he dies." you think she is really saying. "I have no choice but to kill innocent people because I want freedom."

When you hear about the history of the Ardat Yakshi for example. "Ardat Yakshi were once worshipped as demons of destruction"  you instead hear. "They lived very well with Asari until modern day."

When the The Codex explicitly states that " by nature Ardat Yakshi are incapable of long term cooperation" you hear "They can live in harmony with the rest of society."

I see little point in arguing with you but the fact that I can squeeze out of you mroe horrid examples of your screwed morality so I can use against in the next debate. Or you can admit you are a troll.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Seriously ME2 is just not enough. Let's scratch this argument and wait for ME3 so that we all find out what Morinth is really about ( given that bioware would want to tell us. )

We know exactly what Morinth is about.

A spade is a spade. 

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I say what I heard from that narrative, and what it tells me.

No you don't. When you hear Morinth say "I love it when playing a game when the opponent thinks he will win right before he dies." you think she is really saying. "I have no choice but to kill innocent people because I want freedom."

When you hear about the history of the Ardat Yakshi for example. "Ardat Yakshi were once worshipped as demons of destruction"  you instead hear. "They lived very well with Asari until modern day."

When the The Codex explicitly states that " by nature Ardat Yakshi are incapable of long term cooperation" you hear "They can live in harmony with the rest of society."

I see little point in arguing with you but the fact that I can squeeze out of you mroe horrid examples of your screwed morality so I can use against in the next debate. Or you can admit you are a troll.

The game is about opponents not victims.

AY were probably gurdians once, when asari were primitive. AY were starile and had stronger biotics, so they acted as warriors.

Nature means you want to, not that you can't hold yourself. Real people by nature want sex too. We have real celebate people.

[1136342t54_]

Radahldo wrote...

Its not implied he was a government assassin. A coroporate one is more likely.
With that quote, he's referring the hanar having difficulty with manual labor outside of water and the sort of goods the drell assist them in making. Hanar millitary nor how drell fit within is not elaborated on in game. There is cut dialog of Thane referring to a camp with many other drell. He doesnt refer to it as a millitary unit

Wouldn't have to be necessarily a military unit I said civillian. The thing is since the compact is more of a government compact its likely that Thane's family was approached by a group from the government who needed Thane's services for a specific period of time. 

Actually just checking the wiki Thane's parents did give him over to the Hanar because of the Compact. Due to that being a government agreement I am assuming a official albeit secret Hanar organization likely sought out Drell to use as Assassins.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Is killing sanctioned by the government and directed at people such as slavers really "murder"?

[A Floodian]

Why should someone be punished for trying to have fun in their own way, wether it be evil of good? The only punishment for wicked actions should be the losss of trust from some of the crew.

[Radahldo]

I think you should all calm down, its been 50 pages of this.

I think the issue here is that while Shepard, jack, grunt Thane and zaeed all enjoy killing, it is not in the context of a sex crime? Only by following that reasoning is it not a double standard to especially highlight her comments as indicating to her real outlook and morals, while still considering all the above mentined esstentially good

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Seriously ME2 is just not enough. Let's scratch this argument and wait for ME3 so that we all find out what Morinth is really about ( given that bioware would want to tell us. )

For you maybe.

Well for me it is. When I see your arguments I start to understand that it is actually not enough for everybody to understand.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

The game is about opponents not victims.

AY were probably gurdians once, when asari were primitive. AY were starile and had stronger biotics, so they acted as warriors.

AY were shown as VILLAINS of most stories or Asari Epics. Not all AY are like that but it showed that enough of them made a very bad ****ing impression.

Nature means you want to, not that you can't hold yourself. Real people by nature want sex too. We have real celebate people.

Now you want to blame Nature for this? No it doesn't work like that. Asari like Humans are very adaptive. Sex is not a need for a single person. No one has to have sex it is a choice. Morinth made her choice. Deal with it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I say what I heard from that narrative, and what it tells me.

No you don't. When you hear Morinth say "I love it when playing a game when the opponent thinks he will win right before he dies." you think she is really saying. "I have no choice but to kill innocent people because I want freedom."

When you hear about the history of the Ardat Yakshi for example. "Ardat Yakshi were once worshipped as demons of destruction"  you instead hear. "They lived very well with Asari until modern day."

When the The Codex explicitly states that " by nature Ardat Yakshi are incapable of long term cooperation" you hear "They can live in harmony with the rest of society."

I see little point in arguing with you but the fact that I can squeeze out of you mroe horrid examples of your screwed morality so I can use against in the next debate. Or you can admit you are a troll.

The game is about opponents not victims.

AY were probably gurdians once, when asari were primitive. AY were starile and had stronger biotics, so they acted as warriors.

Nature means you want to, not that you can't hold yourself. Real people by nature want sex too. We have real celebate people.

And so Morinth could have abstained from killing, but choose to keep murdering the innocent.

[1136342t54_]

Radahldo wrote...

I think you should all calm down, its been 50 pages of this.

I think the issue here is that while Shepard, jack, grunt Thane and zaeed all enjoy killing, it is not in the context of a sex crime? Only by following that reasoning is it not a double standard to especially highlight her comments as indicating to her real outlook and morals, while still considering all the above mentined esstentially good

You haven't seen all of D.Kain's posts. He isn't only justifying Morinth's actions he also justifies many other people like her. Hell D.Kain even justifies Terrorism at times. This is mostly about showing D.Kain how morally retarded he or she is.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Now you want to blame Nature for this? No it doesn't work like that. Asari like Humans are very adaptive. Sex is not a need for a single person. No one has to have sex it is a choice. Morinth made her choice. Deal with it.

OMG you are contradicting yourself, that is exactly what I said! If Morinth can not have sex, then she would be celebate and live with the rest of the society in harmony. 

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And so Morinth could have abstained from killing, but choose to keep murdering the innocent.

Yes she could exactly! Asari just diodn't give her the reason to do so! 

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

The amount of things you come up with is astounding. You are very imaginative you know that? 

So are people that came up with the big bang theory, though it is considered a valid point.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Now you want to blame Nature for this? No it doesn't work like that. Asari like Humans are very adaptive. Sex is not a need for a single person. No one has to have sex it is a choice. Morinth made her choice. Deal with it.

OMG you are contradicting yourself, that is exactly what I said! If Morinth can not have sex, then she would be celebate and live with the rest of the society in harmony. 

Morinth could have been celebate and lived in seclusion before she killed. Its to damn late for that. Did you forget that part that AY by nature cannot cooperate with others in the long term? more than likely most would live seclusion away from society anyway.

[AlexXIV]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Is killing sanctioned by the government and directed at people such as slavers really "murder"?

Depends if the government put out a lawful dead-or-alive bounty, it's probably not against the law, thus no murder. I am pretty sure he murdered Nassana Dantius though. Even if she was a criminal.

[essarr71]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

The amount of things you come up with is astounding. You are very imaginative you know that? 

So are people that came up with the big bang theory, though it is considered a valid point.

Except they had evidence to back up their observations.  Helps with validity.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Radahldo wrote...

I think you should all calm down, its been 50 pages of this.

I think the issue here is that while Shepard, jack, grunt Thane and zaeed all enjoy killing, it is not in the context of a sex crime? Only by following that reasoning is it not a double standard to especially highlight her comments as indicating to her real outlook and morals, while still considering all the above mentined esstentially good

You haven't seen all of D.Kain's posts. He isn't only justifying Morinth's actions he also justifies many other people like her. Hell D.Kain even justifies Terrorism at times. This is mostly about showing D.Kain how morally retarded he or she is.

I'm not justifing that in general, I just blame those that ARE to blame instead of those that are caught in the middle. You on the other hand want to punish those that are NOT directly responsible instead of those that are.

[D.Kain]

essarr71 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

The amount of things you come up with is astounding. You are very imaginative you know that? 

So are people that came up with the big bang theory, though it is considered a valid point.

Except they had evidence to back up their observations.  Helps with validity.

I have my evidance as well.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

Yes she could exactly! Asari just diodn't give her the reason to do so! 

No they gave her a ****ing choice. Live in seclusion or be destroyed. Sure a sucky ultimatum but most AY if not all by nature don't like to cooperate with others for long periods of time. Living in seclusion with a small amount of people would likely help them.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Yeah, that ***** Nef treated Morinth so bad! And Shepard too, saving her from her mother like that. He deserved that mindmeld of death! And all those villagers clearly were jerks and had to die!

</sarcasm>

Morinth didn't want to kill Sheparrd, I elaborated the sh*t out of it! Nef and village were both mindcontrolled. 

Morinth did want to kill Shepard as there has been no indication that Shepard would be any different to the mind melding process.  Every single being that has mind melded with an AY has died, Morinth has no reason to assume differently. She is quite obviously lying to you and you fell for it hook, line & sinker.

And, as so many others have stated, Morinth didn't need to use her mind control on Nef.  The village likely was mind controlled, but that wasn't an example of them being nice to her, that was an example of people she wronged for no reason.

Once again, you are making things up to fit your mindset.  Why would you assume that something known as a Demon would be a warrior that protected Asari? 

Kain has shown time and time again that he has no idea what an addict is like and continues to justify Morinth's killings of those who have nothing at all to do with her because she chose to ran.  And he continues to attempt to justify that Morinth killing Shepard was an accident, which is a bold faced lie.